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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2024 12:57:31 GMT -5
Sad what has become of SI. Entire staff laid off.
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Post by HC13 on Jan 19, 2024 13:00:12 GMT -5
Yikes! It is unfortunate that like so many other magazines of my youth that it could not survie in the digital era.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2024 13:03:24 GMT -5
Sad It consistently gave the best sports writing for decades.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2024 14:10:43 GMT -5
I agree it is a real loss for those who follow sports in America.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 19, 2024 15:16:28 GMT -5
Very sad--the magazine had great writing and great photography. I subscribed for 20+ years until I got put on the comp list.
My old company bought a lot of pages of advertising in SI so the SI sales team always sponsored "Sports Illustrated Day at the Track", taking our marketing teams to "Millionaires Row" at Churchill Downs on the Tuesday before the Derby, Always a great time, especially one year when we had a big group score.
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Post by beaven302 on Jan 19, 2024 17:26:33 GMT -5
Yikes! It is unfortunate that like so many other magazines of my youth that it could not survie in the digital era. It’s a shame. I can still recall the students lingering at their mailboxes, checking out the swimsuit issue, before heading upstairs to have lunch in the Kimball dining hall. I also recall perusing my new issue (Chicago Bears on the cover) when WORC radio announced, “President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas.”
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2024 18:30:26 GMT -5
One of my favorite SI covers was a picture of the women of the Univ. of Texas relay team all with "big bouffant hair." It was seen hanging on many Wheeler lampshades because of a car ad on the reverse. With the light on what shone through was an "award for excellence in American design" in that car advertisment. The placement of that award was both critical and unfortunate.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2024 18:55:32 GMT -5
I wonder if there was a way for SI to make it, or were they doomed to fail in the digital age?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2024 19:01:05 GMT -5
Some mags have succeeded by going digital as well as print.
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Post by lou on Jan 19, 2024 19:52:46 GMT -5
Some mags have succeeded by going digital as well as print. SI did have a digital subscriptions
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2024 20:01:49 GMT -5
But they cut down their staff drastically and eventually put out issues only once a month
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Post by hcpride on Jan 20, 2024 6:55:45 GMT -5
University of Colorado Head Coach Deion Sanders (4-8) as the final SI Sportsperson of the Year?
SI hung on in the digital age (cutting back print issues to monthly a few years ago) and certainly tried mightily for relevance and ‘cool’ (some recent swimsuit issue choices come to mind).
I guess a complete move to digital and a massive cutting of staff won’t save it at this point.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2024 8:41:34 GMT -5
University of Colorado Head Coach Deion Sanders (4-8) as the final Sportsperson of the Year? SI hung on in the digital age (cutting back print issues to monthly a few years ago) and certainly tried mightily for relevance and ‘cool’ (some recent swimsuit issue choices come to mind). I guess a complete move to digital and a massive cutting of staff won’t save it at this point. The decision to put a trans person on the cover of the Swimsuit issue might have hurt more than helped.
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Post by alum on Jan 20, 2024 17:54:41 GMT -5
University of Colorado Head Coach Deion Sanders (4-8) as the final Sportsperson of the Year? SI hung on in the digital age (cutting back print issues to monthly a few years ago) and certainly tried mightily for relevance and ‘cool’ (some recent swimsuit issue choices come to mind). I guess a complete move to digital and a massive cutting of staff won’t save it at this point. The decision to put a trans person on the cover of the Swimsuit issue might have hurt more than helped. You really have to start getting your hot takes from better places than the idiotic Twitter musings of incels in their mother’s basements.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2024 18:09:30 GMT -5
The decision to put a trans person on the cover of the Swimsuit issue might have hurt more than helped. You really have to start getting your hot takes from better places than the idiotic Twitter musings of incels in their mother’s basements. Sorry if a nerve was hit. Am I wrong? Or maybe the avalanche for SI began having Christine Blasey Ford make her first public statement following her testimony against Brett Kavanaugh announcing SI’s Inspiration of the Year.
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Post by alum on Jan 20, 2024 20:56:03 GMT -5
Yeah, somehow I think the fact that it failed to react to the change in Americans journalism consumption habits had more to do with SI’s collapse than an award I will admit I had never heard about.
No nerves struck. I just can’t believe that someone who is supposed to be a person for others can spend so much time wanting our gay and trans neighbors to be marginalized.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 20, 2024 22:03:02 GMT -5
The decision to put a trans person on the cover of the Swimsuit issue might have hurt more than helped. Made no difference. This was about Arena choosing to default on their payment. "The decision to withhold the payment came from executives currently running the company and its board, sources told Axios...The Arena Group executives were hoping to gain leverage over Authentic Brands Group (ABG) — the company that controls the Sports Illustrated brand license — by withholding the payment, sources told Axios. ABG called that bluff and now, dozens of people are out of jobs." www.axios.com/2024/01/20/sports-illustrated-arena-group-deal-layoffs
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 21, 2024 7:50:16 GMT -5
Yeah, somehow I think the fact that it failed to react to the change in Americans journalism consumption habits had more to do with SI’s collapse than an award I will admit I had never heard about. No nerves struck. I just can’t believe that someone who is supposed to be a person for others can spend so much time wanting our gay and trans neighbors to be marginalized. Weird post. I don’t want gay and trans neighbors to be marginalized (although, let’s protect women’s sports…discussion for another time). I’m commentating on a business decision. Much like I’d say Bud Light using Dylan Mulvaney in a marketing campaign was a stupid decision — they lost millions and millions of dollars and are still trying to clean up the mess.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 21, 2024 9:38:27 GMT -5
Yeah, somehow I think the fact that it failed to react to the change in Americans journalism consumption habits had more to do with SI’s collapse than an award I will admit I had never heard about. No nerves struck. I just can’t believe that someone who is supposed to be a person for others can spend so much time wanting our gay and trans neighbors to be marginalized. Weird post. I don’t want gay and trans neighbors to be marginalized (although, let’s protect women’s sports…discussion for another time). I’m commentating on a business decision. Much like I’d say Bud Light using Dylan Mulvaney in a marketing campaign was a stupid decision — they lost millions and millions of dollars and are still trying to clean up the mess. There have been questions as to whether the addition of transexual and "plus-sized" models in recent annual swimsuit editions (however 'brave' and 'pro-diversity' those gestures may appear to some) represented brilliant marketing relative to SI's target audience. Martha Stewart appeared in the 2023 swimsuit edition which remains a puzzler for all involved. Of course there are many reasons (large and small) for the apparent demise of Sports Illustrated.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 21, 2024 11:19:05 GMT -5
There are plenty of relatively recent examples of companies not understanding or not caring about their target audience or caring less than they do about promoting certain ideologies. So they wind up alienating their core customer base while doing very little to draw more new customers with their decisions. Disney is obviously struggling at least in part because of this. Bud Light is another one.
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Post by alum on Jan 22, 2024 9:53:03 GMT -5
There was a time when adverstisments didn't feature black or Hispanic Americans except for products specficially targeted to those groups. Then, minority celebrities were utitlized and then finally, over time, "regular" people were added. Interracial couples were not featured in advertising for even longer and we've only started seeing same sex couples regularly in advertising in recent years. The apparent push back about the use of a trans person in a Bud Light campaign doesn't say something bad about the Budweiser people, it says something bad about people that are offended by it. It shows us that there are bigots in the world.
I am sorry if people find transgenderism problematic. I suspect they just think it is "icky." I also can't believe that very many of us haven't had the experience of knowing families who have had members transition. Should those friends, neighbors and relatives be boycotted, too?
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Post by HC92 on Jan 23, 2024 8:40:13 GMT -5
There was a time when adverstisments didn't feature black or Hispanic Americans except for products specficially targeted to those groups. Then, minority celebrities were utitlized and then finally, over time, "regular" people were added. Interracial couples were not featured in advertising for even longer and we've only started seeing same sex couples regularly in advertising in recent years. The apparent push back about the use of a trans person in a Bud Light campaign doesn't say something bad about the Budweiser people, it says something bad about people that are offended by it. It shows us that there are bigots in the world. I am sorry if people find transgenderism problematic. I suspect they just think it is "icky." I also can't believe that very many of us haven't had the experience of knowing families who have had members transition. Should those friends, neighbors and relatives be boycotted, too? You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially at a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 23, 2024 8:42:47 GMT -5
The decision to put a trans person on the cover of the Swimsuit issue might have hurt more than helped. You really have to start getting your hot takes from better places than the idiotic Twitter musings of incels in their mother’s basements. are you able to respond to any remotely controversial issue without unhinged rants and juvenile insults? in any case, rip sports illustrated. sad to see the demise of a once great brand.
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Post by alum on Jan 23, 2024 9:23:51 GMT -5
There was a time when adverstisments didn't feature black or Hispanic Americans except for products specficially targeted to those groups. Then, minority celebrities were utitlized and then finally, over time, "regular" people were added. Interracial couples were not featured in advertising for even longer and we've only started seeing same sex couples regularly in advertising in recent years. The apparent push back about the use of a trans person in a Bud Light campaign doesn't say something bad about the Budweiser people, it says something bad about people that are offended by it. It shows us that there are bigots in the world. I am sorry if people find transgenderism problematic. I suspect they just think it is "icky." I also can't believe that very many of us haven't had the experience of knowing families who have had members transition. Should those friends, neighbors and relatives be boycotted, too? You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially as a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. I am sorry to have upset you. I don't have any problem with careful consideration for teenagers (and pre teens) by their parents, their medical providers and their schools as they work through these issues. For that matter, I think that adults who begin this process ought to do it with help, too. There is nothing bigoted about making sure that these things are handled properly. On the other hand, when we say that adults who are trans ought not be publicly recognized, I have an enormous problem. Choosing to banish people to the shadows and suggesting that they ought not be able to fully participate in all aspects of life because of this characteristic is just wrong. And, no, I don't think that there is any difference at all between discrimination on the basis of race and the discrimination on the basis of LGBTQ characteristics. I didn't start this. The thread was going along nicely when SOV decided he had to stick in a culture war mention and then we had hcpride jumping in as well. As I have expressed previously, I think that we have an obligation to call this stuff out when we see it. There is a good argument that if we don't respond, we are complicit. My first exposure to trans issues was close to thirty five years ago. I represented a divorced father in his late twenties who suffered a serious back injuy at work in a factory. It resulted in multiple surgeries and the claim went on for several years while treatment was ongoing. The client couldn't go back to the prior work and received college level retraining. During this same time, the client began seeing a pyschiatrist. My assistant pointed out that the client's appearance was changing and then one day, my assistant told me that the client had changed to a woman's name. It was tricky, but we managed it and the case settlled with the new name and pronouns in the settlement documents. This was the same person, just presenting differently. Finally, businesses want as many customers and employees as they can find. There is no long term business benefit to shunning anyone. If they don't lead on these issues, who will?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 23, 2024 9:41:53 GMT -5
You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially as a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. I didn't start this. The thread was going along nicely when SOV decided he had to stick in a culture war mention and then we had hcpride jumping in as well. As I have expressed previously, I think that we have an obligation to call this stuff out when we see it. There is a good argument that if we don't respond, we are complicit. Is this what they call it these days? Culture war? Companies are free to do whatever they want. It doesn't bother me personally at all if SI features a trans person on their Swimsuit cover or Bud Light has a trans person holding up cans of Bud Light...that said, companies should not be surprised if this hurts their business. If I could have liked 92's post more than once, I would have.
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