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Post by efg72 on Jan 30, 2024 16:38:33 GMT -5
This page will be updated as we gather more payout figures. (Or you can always DM Sam Herder with payout info to make our search easier.)
2024 FCS vs. FBS Payouts
North Dakota State at Colorado — $700,000
Florida A&M at Miami — $700,000
Idaho at Oregon — $675,000
UC Davis at Cal — $675,000
Illinois State at Iowa — $650,000
Maine at Oklahoma — $635,000
Murray State at Kentucky — $600,000
Mercer at Alabama — $600,000
Northern Iowa at Nebraska — $600,000
Wofford at South Carolina — $600,000
Portland State at Washington State — $562,500
Southern Illinois at BYU — $560,000
Eastern Kentucky at Mississippi State — $550,000
Tennessee Tech at Georgia — $550,000
Chattanooga at Tennessee — $550,000
Murray State at Missouri — $550,000
North Dakota at Iowa State — $550,000
Samford at Florida — $525,000
Alabama A&M at Auburn — $525,000
Eastern Illinois at Illinois — $500,000
Indiana State at Purdue — $500,000
McNeese at Texas A&M — $500,000
The Citadel at Clemson — $500,000
UAlbany at West Virginia — $475,000
UT Martin at Kansas State — $450,000
Charleston Southern at Florida State — $450,000
Eastern Illinois at Northwestern — $450,000
Richmond at Virginia — $450,000
South Dakota State at Oklahoma State — $450,000
Youngstown State at Pitt — $450,000
Portland State at Boise State — $425,000
Idaho at Wyoming — $425,000
Western Carolina at NC State — $425,000
Morgan State at Ohio — $425,000
Robert Morris at Utah State — $415,000
Eastern Washington at Nevada — $400,000
Northern Colorado at Colorado State — $400,000
Tarleton State at Baylor — $400,000
Abilene Christian at Texas Tech — $375,000
Northwestern State at Tulsa — $375,000
Lindenwood at Kansas — $360,000
Montana State at New Mexico — $360,000
Sacramento State at Fresno State — $350,000
Southeastern Louisiana at Southern Miss — $350,000
CCSU at Central Michigan — $350,000
Central Arkansas at Arkansas State — $350,000
Colgate at Akron — $350,000
Houston Christian at UTSA — $350,000
Jackson State at ULM — $350,000
New Hampshire at UCF — $350,000
Norfolk State at East Carolina — $350,000
Western Illinois at NIU — $350,000
SC State at Georgia Southern — $337,500
Alabama State at UAB — $330,000
Stony Brook at Marshall — $330,000
Nicholls at Louisiana Tech — $325,000
Bethune-Cookman at Western Michigan — $325,000
Duquesne at Toledo — $325,000
Missouri State at Ball State — $325,000
North Carolina A&T at Wake Forest — $325,000
William & Mary at Coastal Carolina — $325,000
Lamar at Texas State — $310,000
Southern Utah at UTEP — $300,000
Tennessee Tech at Middle Tennessee — $300,000
Utah Tech at UNLV — $300,000
Gardner-Webb at Charlotte — $270,000
Gardner-Webb at James Madison — $250,000
Northern Iowa at Hawaii — $165,000 (plus travel expenses covered)
This is a running list. More games will be added as we gather more payout figures.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 30, 2024 16:59:09 GMT -5
And HC at Syracuse please ? Any guesses out there for the size of our check ?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jan 30, 2024 17:25:57 GMT -5
It’s somewhere between 350-400k.
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Post by newadvisor on Jan 30, 2024 18:26:42 GMT -5
It’s somewhere between 350-400k. Does anyone know where that money ends up? The general athletic fund or to the football program.. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2024 18:46:31 GMT -5
...or at JMU?  |
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Post by hc1996 on Jan 30, 2024 19:51:43 GMT -5
It’s somewhere between 350-400k. Does anyone know where that money ends up? The general athletic fund or to the football program.. I don’t know, but I’d find it ridiculous if it went anywhere other than the football program. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 31, 2024 5:17:43 GMT -5
...or at JMU? Funny, but I don't see how. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 31, 2024 5:21:05 GMT -5
Looking at the difference between Maine and UNH's payout leads to the logical question, did Foley negotiate for UNH?😏 Also, NDSU is in position to give Neon Deion a comeuppance.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 31, 2024 8:19:06 GMT -5
In the context of school/athletic/program budgets we’re not seeing big bucks for a game at Syracuse (for example) but I suppose the experience is worthwhile.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 31, 2024 10:11:56 GMT -5
Ucf probably negotiated that payout while still in the AAC...plus the Okies have more money to burn.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 31, 2024 10:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 31, 2024 10:44:25 GMT -5
It’s somewhere between 350-400k. Does anyone know where that money ends up? The general athletic fund or to the football program.. It almost certainly is counted as generated revenue for the football program. As the football program 'loses' a substantial amount of money every year, the guarantee simply reduces the net loss amount. |
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Post by alum on Jan 31, 2024 10:48:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know where that money ends up? The general athletic fund or to the football program.. I don’t know, but I’d find it ridiculous if it went anywhere other than the football program. Why? In fact, I would assume that all revenue is revenue of the College. There is a budget which projects revenues and expenses for each department and buy games are factored into that calcuation. I have no doubt that in the development of the budget that there are discussions about increasing the operating budget based on increased revenue, but if they don't hit the revenue budget because attendance is off, the College still makes good on the paychecks. |
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Post by woorat on Jan 31, 2024 10:48:48 GMT -5
Not sure if much has changed in how the funding flows to Athletics with the success of the Crusader Fund. I would expect that the Athletic Department needs to tie into a net expense, no different from any other department. Having said that, the revenue realized from Football guarantees or any other guarantees with add to the expense bottom line. So the Syracuse guarantee will add the +/- $400K to the budget. Up to the AD to spread that money as he sees fit, probably most to Football. The funds cannot be carried over to future years. Unless things have changed, only year end surpluses from the Crusader Athletic Fund can be carried over. If Athletics can increase revenue by $1M, then their expense budget can be increase by that amount. I would expect that the Syracuse game will include a charter plane, funded by this guarantee.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 31, 2024 11:10:38 GMT -5
"All revenue is general revenue"
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 31, 2024 11:23:14 GMT -5
The accounting rules that NCAA schools follow in preparing their annual revenue and expenses report specify that game guarantees, ticket sales, media rights, etc. are classified as generated revenue. Football's portion of the HC's CAF is classified as generated revenue for football. For a school such as Holy Cross, the total generated revenue for football is far less than the total football program expenses. As a private institution, HC revenue and expense breakout is not available in the Knight-Newhouse database. Revenue by source for SDSU is displayed on the link below. Game guarantees in 2022 were $668,000. Ticket sales were $4.5 million. knightnewhousedata.org/fcs/south-dakota-state-university#!quicktabs-tab-where_the_money-1 |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 31, 2024 11:34:41 GMT -5
"All revenue is general revenue" Except when it isn't. This is not the private sector. |
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 31, 2024 12:18:19 GMT -5
Haha, while I am no defender of Foley, I knew this reckless comment could result in a bit of a burn. First there is the obvious comparison that UCF and OU have substantially different budgets and likely pay significantly different amounts for buy games. Couple that with the OSU game that I didn't realize he had in his back pocket, this looks bad. On another note, how does any FBS team agree to pay NDSU anything north of $500,000...unless you are one of the premier FBS teams, which, despite the press this year, Colorado is NOT, you are signing up to potentially pay $700,000 for a bad loss. Seems crazy |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 31, 2024 12:59:42 GMT -5
I should think that a key factor would be what revenue the paying team expects to generate from a home game. I’m guessing that a team like Oklahoma or Ohio State would generate many, many times the revenue a school like Central Florida gets from a home game. So to the big time schools a payment of, say, $750,000 is a no-brainer
Central Florida 40,000 tickets @$35=$1.4mm
Ohio State 100,000 tickets @$80= $8mm
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Post by alum on Jan 31, 2024 13:14:48 GMT -5
During budget discussions, Kit assumes that 1000 people are going to attend each of 15 men's basketball games which will generate $300,000 in revenue. A week before the season starts, all 4000 seats are sold as season tickets because people learn that Taylor Swift's cousin is on the team. This creates a $900,000 windfall. I cannot imagine that Kit gets to just spend that money. It is revenue to the College as a whole. Perhaps TPTB agree to allow him to increase some lines in the budget, but why wouldn't they just put most of it in the bank and use if for any needs the College as a whole has?
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Post by newadvisor on Jan 31, 2024 13:42:06 GMT -5
I should think that a key factor would be what revenue the paying team expects to generate from a home game. I’m guessing that a team like Oklahoma or Ohio State would generate many, many times the revenue a school like Central Florida gets from a home game. So to the big time schools a payment of, say, $750,000 is a no-brainer Central Florida 40,000 tickets @$35=$1.4mm Ohio State 100,000 tickets @$80= $8mm I believe it was Dr. Bell President of Alabama that said, the greatest hire/revenue producer for the university was Nick Saban. This was in correlation from his hire to direct revenue increase of Apparel only.. Forget the 10 mil they got everytime they were in the college playoffs. The only sports that have a chance to make a profit are football and basketball. We all know it that's why title9 was created, it's the institutions right to move the money however they want. Only problem is in general it's the athletes usually in high impact sports that pay the long term physical price for the rest of the sports.. Thus, we come back to who gets the $$ for those pay to play games. Not sure what other sports even have pay to play games, I guess that's a ? for another day.. |
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Post by hc69 on Jan 31, 2024 16:19:33 GMT -5
Title IX was not aimed at athletics. Indeed, most people at the time didn't realize the implications of Title IX for athletics and those that did were largely keeping their mouths shut. When the implications became clear, numerous attempts were made to exempt athletics, or at least football and basketball, from Title IX. Those attempts failed. The NCAA filed suit trying to get Title IX declared unconstitutional. That failed as well. That Title IX applies to athletics was a largely unintended consequence of the law, not the primary intent.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 31, 2024 17:07:20 GMT -5
Title IX was not aimed at athletics. Indeed, most people at the time didn't realize the implications of Title IX for athletics and those that did were largely keeping their mouths shut. When the implications became clear, numerous attempts were made to exempt athletics, or at least football and basketball, from Title IX. Those attempts failed. The NCAA filed suit trying to get Title IX declared unconstitutional. That failed as well. That Title IX applies to athletics was a largely unintended consequence of the law, not the primary intent. This article is about the Ole Miss WBB coach saying she doesn't believe that her programs loses money even though the facts say different www.outkick.com/ole-miss-womens-basketball-coach-refuses-believe-program-loses-money-calls-out-reporter-oxford/ |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 31, 2024 17:41:49 GMT -5
Ticket sales revenue (all sports) in 2022 or The Ohio State University were $59.6 million.
Competition guarantees paid by The Ohio State University were $11.8 million.
The Ohio State University's total revenue exceeded its total expenses by about $24 million. The OSU is an outlier, and an extreme outlier at that.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 31, 2024 17:59:49 GMT -5
Whether a program makes or loses money is in the eye of the beholder. Calhoun was entertaining.
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