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Post by dharry13 on Feb 20, 2024 11:33:08 GMT -5
Excuse me while I digress.
If anyone wants to see some cowardly behavior - look at Pitino's comments over the last 24 hours regarding his team.
Publicly calls them out for playing weak, no lateral quickness, can't defend, can't get to the foul line. All while saying he had to grab whatever players he could when building this roster because it was late in the game. And taking zero accountability while saying it's his most unenjoyable season of his career. When asked if he regrets taking the position - he says it's not St. Johns fault - it's his team's. Goes on to further call out players individually about their lack of quickness and strength.
The guys is an all time great in coaching. In my mind - zero debate. He certainly has had some transgressions over the years, but his basketball acumen and ability to coach is unquestioned. And I like tough coaching and think the sporting world is in need of tougher coaches again (Izzo, Sampson - in college basketball as examples)
This latest rant however - yikes. What a coward.
Who gains by this? In his mind I'm sure he thinks he does by blaming others. He also is probably purposely trying to get kids to transfer out and restock for next year.
I like Pitino as a coach. This? Definitely changes my opinion on some things. But again - I digress.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 20, 2024 11:52:48 GMT -5
He may be the greatest coach in the universe, but as I said in the other thread - what a baby. Things don't often not go his way, but when they don't, there never seems to be a mirror around.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 20, 2024 11:53:58 GMT -5
Pitino is an egomaniac who will never put the blame on himself for anything.
My read on this is that it was very much a strategic move. Regardless of how St. John's played that day, if they lost, these comments in the press conference were coming.
They started the season 12-4 (4-1). Since then, have gone 2-8. That said, if they win four of their next five, along with a win in the BE Tournament, there's a decent chance they could get an at-large bid. Maybe these comments were being used as a motivational tool? Who knows.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2024 11:55:22 GMT -5
1-“Some transgressions “ ??
Please
2-Putting cheaters Sampson and Pitino with Izzo is insulting
3- You omitted he is the only coach to have vacated a National Championship(due to transgressions)
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 20, 2024 12:01:48 GMT -5
Please what? He's had transgressions. Do I need to quantify them or "rate" them? Pitino and Sampson are great coaches. I like their hard coaching style. That was the comment.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2024 12:01:50 GMT -5
He has been an egomaniac since he was at UMass-at least
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2024 12:04:43 GMT -5
Please what? He's had transgressions. Do I need to quantify them or "rate" them? Pitino and Sampson are great coaches. I like their hard coaching style. That was the comment. The “please” referred to the word “some” Many would be more accurate |
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 20, 2024 12:09:19 GMT -5
Good grief.
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Post by Ray on Feb 20, 2024 12:29:38 GMT -5
He's a fantastic basketball coach. He's also a garbage human being. These things are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Tom on Feb 20, 2024 14:06:07 GMT -5
He's a fantastic basketball coach. He's also a garbage human being. These things are not mutually exclusive. Bobby Knight might disagree |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2024 16:36:26 GMT -5
If the only criteria for a great coach is number of wins,(except in the pros), he is great.
If other factors enter in, such as would you want your son or grandson to play for an egomaniac/amoral or immoral person, maybe not so great
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Post by mm67 on Feb 20, 2024 16:47:53 GMT -5
RP's ego took a hit because the team did not live up to his promises. Makes him look ineffectual.He shifted the blame for his team's failure to live up to his projections onto the players. Unathletic, slow, etc,as though it was their fault. Who signed them up? Thought they were supposed to be NCAA bound? Is age catching up to RP? I believe he will win at St. John's but it would be sweet to see him fail. Nah, not good for the young men.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 20, 2024 17:01:24 GMT -5
If Little Ricky had any patience he had the opportunity to gradually build something approaching Gonzaga at Iona and ride off at 80 or so with a rehabilitated image. Even if he won the league most years but only got to one NCAA sweet sixteen, without scandal, it would be a very positive final coaching chapter.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 20, 2024 18:54:16 GMT -5
If Little Ricky had any patience he had the opportunity to gradually build something approaching Gonzaga at Iona and ride off at 80 or so with a rehabilitated image. Even if he won the league most years but only got to one NCAA sweet sixteen, without scandal, it would be a very positive final coaching chapter. He wants to win another championship. |
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2024 6:51:58 GMT -5
If Little Ricky had any patience he had the opportunity to gradually build something approaching Gonzaga at Iona and ride off at 80 or so with a rehabilitated image. Even if he won the league most years but only got to one NCAA sweet sixteen, without scandal, it would be a very positive final coaching chapter. He wants to win another championship. He didn't want to move, IIRC: St. John's is not where one wins it all; or comes close; any more. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 21, 2024 12:12:22 GMT -5
He wants to win another championship. He didn't want to move, IIRC: St. John's is not where one wins it all; or comes close; any more.I concur with all the negative things said here about RP.
That said, I do NOT agree that St John's cannot be built into a national championship contender.
If Jay Wright can do it at Villanova, the right coach (maybe RP) can do it at St John's.
Rich tradition. Same league. Access to MSG for home games. Lower academic standards than V. And the necessary NIL money will be there from some well-to-do alumni.
IMO it may take a while. But it definitely can be done.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2024 13:46:11 GMT -5
Nova has far better facilities, inc a new on campus arena
It took a great coach a few years
Pitino may not have the time
His negatives may also be a hindrance that Wright did not have
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 21, 2024 14:33:04 GMT -5
Nova has far better facilities, inc a new on campus arena It took a great coach a few years Pitino may not have the time His negatives may also be a hindrance that Wright did not have Ask most parents whether they'd rather have their son play in a new campus arena or MSG, I think the latter wins.
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Post by alum on Feb 21, 2024 14:48:58 GMT -5
Nova has far better facilities, inc a new on campus arena It took a great coach a few years Pitino may not have the time His negatives may also be a hindrance that Wright did not have Ask most parents whether they'd rather have their son play in a new campus arena or MSG, I think the latter wins.
MSG? I think that Dan Hurley counts that place as another arena where he has home court advantage.  |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2024 14:53:22 GMT -5
Nova has far better facilities, inc a new on campus arena It took a great coach a few years Pitino may not have the time His negatives may also be a hindrance that Wright did not have Ask most parents whether they'd rather have their son play in a new campus arena or MSG, I think the latter wins.
I wonder how much influence parents have in the college decisions of top recruits |
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Post by Chu Chu on Feb 21, 2024 16:20:50 GMT -5
I have a good friend who is a St Johns grad, and a basketball fan. He was so hopeful this year, and he is crushed about Pitino's comments. He also disparaged the schools facilities as one of his problems. I am frankly a bit surprised. It certainly won't be good for team chemistry or morale. I do not remember him doing anything similar while at Iona.
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2024 16:39:22 GMT -5
He also disparaged the schools facilities as one of his problems. I am surprised that St John's down graded their facilities between the time Pitino signed on and the start of basketball season. Rare that you take a job and get poorer facilities than you knew about during the interview process |
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 21, 2024 16:43:14 GMT -5
I have a good friend who is a St Johns grad, and a basketball fan. He was so hopeful this year, and he is crushed about Pitino's comments. He also disparaged the schools facilities as one of his problems. I am frankly a bit surprised. It certainly won't be good for team chemistry or morale. I do not remember him doing anything similar while at Iona. He certainly did the same thing in his short time as the Boston Celtics head coach! |
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Post by hc87 on Feb 21, 2024 18:53:33 GMT -5
I remember him bitching about the apathy at BU in the early '80s....he said something to the fact that "We just beat Holy Cross in the ECACs, that's a big thing and no one here cares." He went to the NBA shortly thereafter.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Feb 21, 2024 19:25:26 GMT -5
I have a good friend who is a St Johns grad, and a basketball fan. He was so hopeful this year, and he is crushed about Pitino's comments. He also disparaged the schools facilities as one of his problems. I am frankly a bit surprised. It certainly won't be good for team chemistry or morale. I do not remember him doing anything similar while at Iona. He certainly did the same thing in his short time as the Boston Celtics head coach! Coming up soon (3/1) on the anniversary. Can’t recall exactly — but think he was still trying to sell his Success is a Choice book. I guess he decided against making the Celtics successful during that period. |
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