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Post by cmo on Mar 4, 2024 6:16:54 GMT -5
Thoughts on this format for the PL ? :
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Post by timholycross on Mar 4, 2024 7:24:35 GMT -5
I like the Ivies. Not that I didn't take it when HC won; or won't accept it in the future; but it's adding insult to injury when an also-ran in a very weak league ends up being the league representative in the NCAAs.
By the way, congrats to Brown on knocking off Harvard and getting in the Ivy tournament.
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Post by trimster on Mar 4, 2024 8:21:58 GMT -5
I like the Ivies. Not that I didn't take it when HC won; or won't accept it in the future; but it's adding insult to injury when an also-ran in a very weak league ends up being the league representative in the NCAAs. By the way, congrats to Brown on knocking off Harvard and getting in the Ivy tournament. Seconded.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2024 8:36:24 GMT -5
Agree with what the WCC and Ivy does -- protect your top teams and ensure a strong representative reaches the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 4, 2024 9:01:23 GMT -5
Major drawback of the Ivy format is that the host school is not the regular season champion and may not even be in the tournament, which will be the case this year as Columbia is the host. I really enjoyed last year's tournament at Jadwin, which was a very professionally done event.
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Post by trimster on Mar 4, 2024 9:06:09 GMT -5
Major drawback of the Ivy format is that the host school is not the regular season champion and may not even be in the tournament, which will be the case this year as Columbia is the host. I really enjoyed last year's tournament at Jadwin, which was a very professionally done event. I am not a fan of the PL other than closely following HC but if this year’s tourney followed the Ivy format and the games were at the Hart Center, I would consider going even without HC participating.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2024 9:15:23 GMT -5
Thoughts on this format for the PL ? : Is there a suitable arena in Atlantic City for the PLT? Mohegan Sun has one. It would only make sense if a host casino(s) generously subsidized it as I assume is being done in Vegas.
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Post by cmo on Mar 4, 2024 9:22:44 GMT -5
I like the home sites part of the PL. I’d keep that and use the WCC bracket model.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2024 9:28:50 GMT -5
Thoughts on this format for the PL ? : Is there a suitable arena in Atlantic City for the PLT? Mohegan Sun has one. It would only make sense if a host casino(s) generously subsidized it as I assume is being done in Vegas. This would be sparsely attended. Awful idea. The MAAC plays their tournament at Boardwalk Hall in AC and attendance isn't great.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2024 9:44:28 GMT -5
I like the home sites part of the PL. I’d keep that and use the WCC bracket model. WCC is definitely a good model. Everyone gets a bite of a postseason tournament and has the opportunity to win the auto-bid, but regular season performance is heavily rewarded and the best teams are protected.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 4, 2024 9:54:08 GMT -5
Major drawback of the Ivy format is that the host school is not the regular season champion and may not even be in the tournament, which will be the case this year as Columbia is the host. I really enjoyed last year's tournament at Jadwin, which was a very professionally done event. I am not a fan of the PL other than closely following HC but if this year’s tourney followed the Ivy format and the games were at the Hart Center, I would consider going even without HC participating. I suspect that puts you in some select company as I can’t imagine more than 50 HC fans going to the PL tourney in Worcester if HC wasn’t in it. And all 50 are posters here.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2024 10:15:54 GMT -5
Is there a suitable arena in Atlantic City for the PLT? Mohegan Sun has one. It would only make sense if a host casino(s) generously subsidized it as I assume is being done in Vegas. This would be sparsely attended. Awful idea. The MAAC plays their tournament at Boardwalk Hall in AC and attendance isn't great. Yeah, the home team students going crazy in the Final is the most fervor in the PL.
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Post by Wayne on Mar 4, 2024 10:30:55 GMT -5
For conference tournaments that are held at campus gyms, I always felt the regular season champ should get a bye to the championship, with the other conference teams having to fight it out to win the right to play the regular season champ. That would ensure that the regular season champ not only plays at home but is getting a team that is running on fumes. For the PL, I would maybe leave the 10th place team out altogether with 2-9, 3-8, 4-7, and 5-6 matchups in the quarters. Maybe you could play the 2-9 and 5-6 matchups on the second-place team's court, and 3-8 and 4-7 matchups on the third-place team's court to tighten up the tournament and reduce travel.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 4, 2024 10:54:33 GMT -5
For conference tournaments that are held at campus gyms, I always felt the regular season champ should get a bye to the championship, with the other conference teams having to fight it out to win the right to play the regular season champ. That would ensure that the regular season champ not only plays at home but is getting a team that is running on fumes. For the PL, I would maybe leave the 10th place team out altogether with 2-9, 3-8, 4-7, and 5-6 matchups in the quarters. Maybe you could play the 2-9 and 5-6 matchups on the second-place team's court, and 3-8 and 4-7 matchups on the third-place team's court to tighten up the tournament and reduce travel. Seems like an extreme advantage for a team that might have finished in a three way tie for first atop its conference but won a tiebreaker to get the one seed. I think playing at home for the duration of a regular tourney is advantage enough.
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Post by Crosser on Mar 4, 2024 11:03:43 GMT -5
For conference tournaments that are held at campus gyms, I always felt the regular season champ should get a bye to the championship, with the other conference teams having to fight it out to win the right to play the regular season champ. That would ensure that the regular season champ not only plays at home but is getting a team that is running on fumes. For the PL, I would maybe leave the 10th place team out altogether with 2-9, 3-8, 4-7, and 5-6 matchups in the quarters. Maybe you could play the 2-9 and 5-6 matchups on the second-place team's court, and 3-8 and 4-7 matchups on the third-place team's court to tighten up the tournament and reduce travel. I would say why even bother having a tournament under this scenario.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2024 13:00:07 GMT -5
Dropping any team from at least a play-in game is disappointing. Having that chance helps the whole league because it keeps the sport relevant everywhere.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 4, 2024 13:14:08 GMT -5
I sort of liked the short lived experiment from close to 20 years ago, when they split up the tournament into 2 league site pods (HC hosted one). I believe they played the quarters and semis at the 2 sites, then the highest overall seed hosted the final (I might not have this completely accurate). It at least gave off a bit of tournament vibe, while still rewarding regular season performance.
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Post by trimster on Mar 4, 2024 13:18:31 GMT -5
I like the home sites part of the PL. I’d keep that and use the WCC bracket model. I don't like the fact it takes a week or more to play the to play the tournament. Even lowly conferences like the MEAC and SWAC play their tourney at a central site. The problem for a one site PL Tourney is it lacks juice. From what I remember the horse barn site was a disaster. If we have to play on home courts I say tweek the Ivy model, play the tourney on Thurs-Sunday at the court of the regular season champ, bring in the top 6 finishers and give seeds 1 and 2 a buy to the semis. Seed 1 would have home court advantage anyways if the seeds hold under the current format so only seed 2 would lose their home court advantage in the semis vs. #3. The drawback for the league would be if seed 1 were to be upset in the semis, the crowd for the championship might be weak.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2024 13:29:37 GMT -5
I sort of liked the short lived experiment from close to 20 years ago, when they split up the tournament into 2 league site pods (HC hosted one). I believe they played the quarters and semis at the 2 sites, then the highest overall seed hosted the final (I might not have this completely accurate). It at least gave off a bit of tournament vibe, while still rewarding regular season performance. Joe Knight dropped in 45 points against Colgate at the Hart during the 2005 PLT. Hart Center scoring record?
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Post by trimster on Mar 4, 2024 13:40:33 GMT -5
I sort of liked the short lived experiment from close to 20 years ago, when they split up the tournament into 2 league site pods (HC hosted one). I believe they played the quarters and semis at the 2 sites, then the highest overall seed hosted the final (I might not have this completely accurate). It at least gave off a bit of tournament vibe, while still rewarding regular season performance. I like that better than the current setup. There can’t be many tournaments in D1 that take longer to complete than our beloved PL.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 4, 2024 15:01:15 GMT -5
I sort of liked the short lived experiment from close to 20 years ago, when they split up the tournament into 2 league site pods (HC hosted one). I believe they played the quarters and semis at the 2 sites, then the highest overall seed hosted the final (I might not have this completely accurate). It at least gave off a bit of tournament vibe, while still rewarding regular season performance. That was in 2005 and 2006. The pods were hosted by the top two teams in the league, which not surprisingly were Bucknell and Holy Cross. At that time, of course, there were eight teams in the league, so it was easier to execute that sort of model.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2024 15:11:52 GMT -5
Eight teams was great. Better odds of snagging one of two auto-bids (NCAA and NIT) and plenty of OOC dates to bump your NET. Apparently scheduling OOC games is hard so some like fewer dates.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 4, 2024 15:26:52 GMT -5
I sort of liked the short lived experiment from close to 20 years ago, when they split up the tournament into 2 league site pods (HC hosted one). I believe they played the quarters and semis at the 2 sites, then the highest overall seed hosted the final (I might not have this completely accurate). It at least gave off a bit of tournament vibe, while still rewarding regular season performance. That was in 2005 and 2006. The pods were hosted by the top two teams in the league, which not surprisingly were Bucknell and Holy Cross. At that time, of course, there were eight teams in the league, so it was easier to execute that sort of model. They used the horse barn 3 years. That's a year or two more than I would've figured. I do remember the years they had two rounds at one gym, then the finals at the highest seed; which was the same format at the horse barn. What I don't remember, and bison/NAD is correct about, is the two pod arrangement. Nowadays, it would take 3 days at each site unless they came up with a different format.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 4, 2024 15:29:37 GMT -5
Eight teams was great. Better odds of snagging one of two auto-bids (NCAA and NIT) and plenty of OOC dates to bump your NET. Apparently scheduling OOC games is hard so some like fewer dates. It's harder than it was a few years ago, the bigs have more league games themselves and the number of holiday tournaments has decreased dramatically. The tournaments have been replaced by a bunch of things that typically don't pay much attention to the lower echelons of D1 basketball.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2024 15:37:36 GMT -5
Eight teams was great. Better odds of snagging one of two auto-bids (NCAA and NIT) and plenty of OOC dates to bump your NET. Apparently scheduling OOC games is hard so some like fewer dates. It's harder than it was a few years ago, the bigs have more league games themselves and the number of holiday tournaments has decreased dramatically. The tournaments have been replaced by a bunch of things that typically don't pay much attention to the lower echelons of D1 basketball. We are in the misery loves company segment of D-1. The same in-breeding between Northeast low majors every season.🙂
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