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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 16, 2024 18:41:25 GMT -5
In his first 11 innings this year he walked 9 batters. In his last 9&1/3 innings he walked 1 batter. I was asked by a fellow poster today whether intentional walks were counted in calculating a pitcher’s WHIP. I wasn’t sure but just calculated Declan’s WHIP and learned that they are. My question is: Should they be, particularly when they are the product of a manager’s decision rather than a lack of control? Perhaps in some instances they should be (e.g when a pitcher puts runners on second and third with first base open and the same pitcher issues the IBB). But perhaps not when a different pitcher puts the runners on second and third and the pitcher who comes in issues the intentional pass. In any event Declan’s WHIP without the intentional walks included would be 1.18 (vs. 1.28 with the IBBs included). Yeah, those IBBs came in the Marlins' first game of the season. DC pitched in the 10th, 11th, and 12th for Miami, where a runner starts the inning on second.
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Post by hchoops on May 16, 2024 19:36:15 GMT -5
The ghost runner counts as an IBB ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 16, 2024 20:38:34 GMT -5
The ghost runner counts as an IBB ? No, but the ghost runner and the way in which the inning unfolded caused the IBB to happen.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 16, 2024 20:55:20 GMT -5
The ghost runner idea is absolutely insane
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 17, 2024 11:32:55 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion:
I would do away with the ghost runner and have extra innings be traditional baseball. In regular season, if tied after 12 innings, game ends in a tie.
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2024 12:36:53 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: I would do away with the ghost runner and have extra innings be traditional baseball. This part, Maybe not unpopular. After all, does any other sport, other than soccer( shootouts sometime), have different rules for the regular season and the post season ?
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Post by CHC8485 on May 17, 2024 13:04:15 GMT -5
NHL.
Regular Season - 5 minute overtime goes to 3 on 3 in the regular season until a score. If no score then a shoot out.
Post Season - just regular hockey until someone scores.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 17, 2024 13:09:38 GMT -5
Also NFL -- in regular season, a TD on opening drive of OT ends the game. In postseason it does not. I think. The OT rules have changed a couple of times over the past 20 years.
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Post by alum on May 17, 2024 13:22:48 GMT -5
I am bothered by the use of the term ghost runner as applied to the runner on second. The ghost runner is literally an imaginary runner used when there are not enough players in a backyard, schoolyard, dead end road (they weren't cul de sacs where I grew up) game. Gotta love Wikipedia which has an entry for the invisible runner and which nails the intracacies of this excellent concept. I recall there being many arguments related to how far a ghost runner could advance. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_runner_rule#:~:text=An%20invisible%20runner%2C%20or%20ghost,next%20in%20line%20to%20bat.
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2024 13:27:47 GMT -5
In the Brooklyn schoolyard where I spent most of my youth, we always used the term “invisible runner”, never ghost runner. After all, Casper was real, not invisible..
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Post by 78purple on May 17, 2024 14:28:21 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: I would do away with the ghost runner and have extra innings be traditional baseball. In regular season, if tied after 12 innings, game ends in a tie. Or, implement the ghost runner after the 12 th inning
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 17, 2024 18:21:35 GMT -5
Drop the ghost runner period.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 17, 2024 18:51:39 GMT -5
Drop the ghost runner period. Kentucky, I know you’re a purist. What are your thoughts on the pitch clock?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 17, 2024 18:56:46 GMT -5
Good question- I support the pitch clock. Even thought it was not around when Walter Johnson was pitching it speeds up the game without changing its essence
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2024 19:11:58 GMT -5
Can the high number of pitcher injuries be at least partly attributable to the pitch clock ? Especially veteran pitchers who did not have experience with the clock in the minors.
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Post by 78purple on May 18, 2024 12:15:53 GMT -5
Can the high number of pitcher injuries be at least partly attributable to the pitch clock ? Especially veteran pitchers who did not have experience with the clock in the minors. Hard to attribute the injuries to that......back in the day, Spahn, Gibson, Marichal, et. al. were pitching 300+ innings a year, 20+ complete games a year, while pitching on 3 days rest.........I think it may be the insistence of throwing 95 MPH + with too much rest between starts...........The Human elbow/shoulder is not designed to throw that hard, with or without Tommy John
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Post by hchoops on May 18, 2024 22:08:04 GMT -5
Vs the Mets today 1.2 innings 4 hits 1 earned run 1.64 ERA
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 19, 2024 5:49:55 GMT -5
Vs the Mets today 1.2 innings 4 hits 1 earned run 1.64 ERA Regis vs. Horace Mann yesterday in one at bat.
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Post by Xmassader on May 27, 2024 20:04:10 GMT -5
Update thru 5/27: 17 games, 0-2 W/L, 1.42 ERA, 25.1 IP, 23 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 0 HR, 11 BB, 3 HB, 26 Ks, 1.34 WHIP, .247 BAA, 2 Holds, 0 saves, 0 save opportunities, only 4 earned runs allowed in 17 games, never more than 1 in a game. He is starting to be used in close games and higher leverage situations.
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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2024 20:23:14 GMT -5
Update thru 5/27: 17 games, 0-2 W/L, 1.42 ERA, 25.1 IP, 23 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 0 HR, 11 BB, 3 HB, 26 Ks, 1.34 WHIP, .247 BAA, 2 Holds, 0 saves, 0 save opportunities, only 4 earned runs allowed in 17 games, never more than 1 per game. He is starting to be used in close games and higher leverage situations. Such as tonight in a 1-1 game when he was brought in with one out in the 6th inning to finish the starter’s inning and gets the two outs needed. 0 hits, walks or runs, 1 K
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 27, 2024 20:25:07 GMT -5
The Marlins have won the last 4 games in which Declan pitched.
Edit--thanks, Hoops for the correction-I was just looking at Baseball-Reference which did not include today's game
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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2024 20:38:07 GMT -5
The Marlins have won the last 4 games in which Declan pitched. Until today’s 2-1 loss
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 28, 2024 7:02:39 GMT -5
Update thru 5/27: 17 games, 0-2 W/L, 1.42 ERA, 25.1 IP, 23 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 0 HR, 11 BB, 3 HB, 26 Ks, 1.34 WHIP, .247 BAA, 2 Holds, 0 saves, 0 save opportunities, only 4 earned runs allowed in 17 games, never more than 1 per game. He is starting to be used in close games and higher leverage situations. Such as tonight in a 1-1 game when he was brought in with one out in the 6th inning to finish the starter’s inning and gets the two outs needed. 0 hits, walks or runs, 1 K Inherited runners on first and second, too. Plunked the first batter. Fell behind the second batter 2-0, before striking him out. Third batter went F8.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 28, 2024 8:34:08 GMT -5
Update thru 5/27: 17 games, 0-2 W/L, 1.42 ERA, 25.1 IP, 23 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 0 HR, 11 BB, 3 HB, 26 Ks, 1.34 WHIP, .247 BAA, 2 Holds, 0 saves, 0 save opportunities, only 4 earned runs allowed in 17 games, never more than 1 in a game. He is starting to be used in close games and higher leverage situations. DC has the sixth best ERA for pitchers who have thrown 25+ innings.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2024 19:59:42 GMT -5
DC in line for his first big league win tonight.
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