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Post by sader1970 on Aug 8, 2024 12:01:05 GMT -5
Please stop making so much sense, Dave! Was told by an Holy Cross AD about 4 iterations ago that scheduling basketball games is a headache. But I think we only played 1 D-3 at that time, at that was Williams . . . . and we lost. The good news is . . . . we eventually got their coach! P.S. If we schedule Nichols, I believe they still use Silver Fox buses.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 8, 2024 12:21:12 GMT -5
The schedule is, at best, weak for so many reasons. I would prefer four more buy-game losses rather than playing the four home games we have scheduled.
My guess is that will give us a total of 8-9 home games with students on campus. Other than being loyal and loving Holy Cross, I am not sure why anybody would buy season tickets for this schedule. We accept the weakness of the PL, but it makes little sense to play any low majors from the Northeast. I am willing to bet we could get a handful of A-10 teams on the early schedule with a home/away arrangement or a 2 away for one home game to get the better teams. I know there are travel costs, but for hoops, we are talking about moving 25 people- spend the money, steal a game or two, and keep getting better.
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Post by trimster on Aug 8, 2024 12:35:14 GMT -5
I would add Fairfield to the mix. agreed.....maybe Seton Hall as well.. Fairfield’s non con home schedule is only marginally better than HC’s. Drexel, FDU, CCSU and a D3. You would think two old rivals from an earlier time that are Jesuit schools would try to play each other. Perhaps they tried this year and couldn’t agree on a date. Even if the series started down there it would give the many HC alums in the NYC metro area a chance to see the Crusaders at a nearby venue.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 8, 2024 12:36:52 GMT -5
The schedule is, at best, weak for so many reasons. I would prefer four more buy-game losses rather than playing the four home games we have scheduled. My guess is that will give us a total of 8-9 home games with students on campus. Other than being loyal and loving Holy Cross, I am not sure why anybody would buy season tickets for this schedule. We accept the weakness of the PL, but it makes little sense to play any low majors from the Northeast. I am willing to bet we could get a handful of A-10 teams on the early schedule with a home/away arrangement or a 2 away for one home game to get the better teams. I know there are travel costs, but for hoops, we are talking about moving 25 people- spend the money, steal a game or two, and keep getting better. Harvard's home non conference is Marist Colgate UMass Furman Bowdoin
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Post by 78purple on Aug 8, 2024 12:40:03 GMT -5
agreed.....maybe Seton Hall as well.. Fairfield’s non con home schedule is only marginally better than HC’s. Drexel, FDU, CCSU and a D3. You would think two old rivals from an earlier time that are Jesuit schools would try to play each other. Perhaps they tried this year and couldn’t agree on a date. Even if the series started down there it would give the many HC alums in the NYC metro area a chance to see the Crusaders at a nearby venue. how many times back in the day did we make the trip down to the tri-state area/MSG ?? I'd do it again in a heartbeat
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 9, 2024 4:38:16 GMT -5
What I find a little ironic/strange is that - if they could have arranged 3 regular season games with SH, Brown, and UNH, skipped a MTE, and played Mitchell and Regis as exhibitions.....they would have basically the same schedule (just with 29 regular season games and 2 exhibitions). Not sure what they gained from this.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 9, 2024 6:42:58 GMT -5
Lafayette is sponsoring an MTE tourney in order to get more home games - there’s no reason HC could not do the same thing It’s not as if Laf and Brown are incurring any major expense to bring in close geographical opponents
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2024 7:45:03 GMT -5
Please stop making so much sense, Dave! Was told by an Holy Cross AD about 4 iterations ago that scheduling basketball games is a headache. But I think we only played 1 D-3 at that time, at that was Williams . . . . and we lost. The good news is . . . . we eventually got their coach! P.S. If we schedule Nichols, I believe they still use Silver Fox buses. I didn't have a problem with the Nichols game. One valid reason for scheduling D-III is to help out a family member and RJ Evans was an assistant coach on that team
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2024 7:56:42 GMT -5
I am willing to bet we could get a handful of A-10 teams on the early schedule with a home/away arrangement or a 2 away for one home game to get the better teams. I know there are travel costs, but for hoops, we are talking about moving 25 people- spend the money, steal a game or two, and keep getting better. The most recent non-guarantee A-10 agreement I recall was 2 away for 1 neutral court I believe the last time an A-10 team set foot in Hart was St Joe's more than 10 years ago. URI and UMass have been to the Centrum since then, but I don't recall any of those games having more fans than would fit in Hart
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Post by Wayne on Aug 9, 2024 8:07:11 GMT -5
Is there a reason that teams schedule D3 opponents instead of D2? Is the greater chance of losing the reason? It would seem that if you absolutely have to dip into a lower division to complete the schedule, that the team would get a little more out playing Assumption or Bentley than Mitchell or Regis.
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Post by rf1 on Aug 9, 2024 8:20:13 GMT -5
Is there a reason that teams schedule D3 opponents instead of D2? Is the greater chance of losing the reason? It would seem that if you absolutely have to dip into a lower division to complete the schedule, that the team would get a little more out playing Assumption or Bentley than Mitchell or Regis. For a D1 team, it doesn't matter whether it is a D2 or D3. Neither will count in the computer metrics and neither should really offer much competition on the court. These games are only on the schedule to add another home game to charge season ticket holders. Individual game tickets are not a consideration as few fans are interested in these games. It is possible that a D3 opponent might be able to be bought at a lower cost than D2 which in turn are both far lower than what a D1 school might demand for a guarantee game. This can then make a non D1 guarantee game more profitable.
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2024 9:36:16 GMT -5
Is there a reason that teams schedule D3 opponents instead of D2? Is the greater chance of losing the reason? It would seem that if you absolutely have to dip into a lower division to complete the schedule, that the team would get a little more out playing Assumption or Bentley than Mitchell or Regis. For a D1 team, it doesn't matter whether it is a D2 or D3. Neither will count in the computer metrics and neither should really offer much competition on the court. These games are only on the schedule to add another home game to charge season ticket holders. Individual game tickets are not a consideration as few fans are interested in these games. It is possible that a D3 opponent might be able to be bought at a lower cost than D2 which in turn are both far lower than what a D1 school might demand for a guarantee game. This can then make a non D1 guarantee game more profitable. Are these games "bought"? I suppose there's a set percentage of the gate to the visiting team and that might be negotiated down for a lower division (and maybe lower for D-III than D-II) Individual game ticket sales might be halfway decent for D-II Assumption, but there would be a risk of too much visitor presence (picture NAD and HCFC45 at Brown) for an uninteresting opponent.. I don't anticipate a lot of non-parents showing up for Mitchell or Regis. I would expect a lot of Assumption fans might show up and maybe even drown out the HC faithful. (once again picture NAD and others being told to move to their assigned seats up in the rafters at a mostly empty Conte Forum)
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 9, 2024 9:42:56 GMT -5
It never crossed my mind that we would pay a Regis or Mitchell to play us - but it would be interesting to know if we do
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Post by bison137 on Aug 9, 2024 10:01:55 GMT -5
It never crossed my mind that we would pay a Regis or Mitchell to play us - but it would be interesting to know if we do I would be very surprised if HC is paying them anything.
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2024 10:16:08 GMT -5
It never crossed my mind that we would pay a Regis or Mitchell to play us - but it would be interesting to know if we do I would be very surprised if HC is paying them anything. Back in 2019-20, in disgust at his team's performance, Coach Nelson gave the UMass Boston team the post-game pizzas which were intended to be the meal for HC. Does that count?
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Post by timholycross on Aug 9, 2024 11:29:40 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if HC is paying them anything. Back in 2019-20, in disgust at his team's performance, Coach Nelson gave the UMass Boston team the post-game pizzas which were intended to be the meal for HC. Does that count? Still remember UMB guys shooting 3s and Verbeek (and others) futilely trying to block them.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 9, 2024 11:39:17 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if HC is paying them anything. Back in 2019-20, in disgust at his team's performance, Coach Nelson gave the UMass Boston team the post-game pizzas which were intended to be the meal for HC. Does that count? He should have given his personal pizza to the UMB coach and left the players alone
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Post by rf1 on Aug 9, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
They may not be D1, but I would not think that both Regis and Mitchell are coming to the Hart Center for nothing in return. Most Holy Cross home games are part of home and home series where the Crusaders return a game in the opponent's court. HC will however not do so for either Regis or Mitchell. These schools must therefore be getting something in return. It is probably a nominal fee of 10 to 20k. I know that URI is now paying some D1 buy opponents in the 70-80k range. Rhody played JWU last year and I assume it was at a much lower rate as a non D1 team.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 9, 2024 14:39:45 GMT -5
$10-20k ? - That's not nominal for a max 1 hour bus ride - No Way
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Post by unhfan on Aug 9, 2024 14:53:29 GMT -5
Lafayette is sponsoring an MTE tourney in order to get more home games - there’s no reason HC could not do the same thing It’s not as if Laf and Brown are incurring any major expense to bring in close geographical opponents Oh Brown is incurring some expenses as their paying for three nights of f hotel for the teams and giving each some money.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 9, 2024 15:21:24 GMT -5
How much would it add up to ? Only 2 nights accommodations for HC - we’ll bus down the day of our first game (just as we would travel if it was a single game)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 9, 2024 15:40:15 GMT -5
2 nights X 20 rooms X $150= $6,000 plus $2,500 for meals
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 9, 2024 20:09:14 GMT -5
If I remember the conversation with Coach Paulson at the District last fall, this is about what he said the schedule would look like. He wanted a few home games, and bus trip games to help manage his budget. Overnight games that are not pay games cost a lot of money from his budget…
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 9, 2024 20:49:54 GMT -5
They may not be D1, but I would not think that both Regis and Mitchell are coming to the Hart Center for nothing in return. Most Unholy Cross home games are part of home and home series where the Crusaders return a game in the opponent's court. HC will however not do so for either Regis or Mitchell. These schools must therefore be getting something in return. It is probably a nominal fee of 10 to 20k. I know that URI is now paying some D1 buy opponents in the 70-80k range. Rhody played JWU last year and I assume it was at a much lower rate as a non D1 team. JWU WBB also played at Brown last year....they are getting paid at least for the bus ride and expenses.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 9, 2024 21:49:27 GMT -5
If I remember the conversation with Coach Paulson at the District last fall, this is about what he said the schedule would look like. He wanted a few home games, and bus trip games to help manage his budget. Overnight games that are not pay games cost a lot of money from his budget… My comment to that would be double or triple the budget We are a college athletic program so do it right and stop the insanity by being so cheap
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