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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 3, 2024 21:46:08 GMT -5
The going rate for a lower level D-1 to play a D-3 in New England is around 15k For clarification, are you saying it is common for a low D-I (like Holy Cross) to pay about 15K to bring in a D-III team (like Regis)? I suppose the follow up question would be what percentage of the gate (or average dollars for a team like HC) pay to their peer visitors? I have stated that I am not a fan of the D-III games. Writing a check would not improve my opinion on the topic Correct on the guarantee. |
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Post by timholycross on Sept 4, 2024 7:02:04 GMT -5
Why would anyone in the Patriot League pay anyone else in the Patriot League; all match-ups between those fine institutions are home-and-home?
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2024 7:06:27 GMT -5
They would not in a home and home.
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Post by Tom on Sept 4, 2024 7:27:32 GMT -5
Why would anyone in the Patriot League pay anyone else in the Patriot League; all match-ups between those fine institutions are home-and-home? I am not sure about this, but I think schools give a percentage of the gate to the visiting school I get the fact that HC can have an extra home game by scheduling two D-III's instead of 2 home and home's From a financial standpoint, if you play Stonehill home and home and bring in 1200 fans at $15 a head and give the visitors 10 percent of the gate, that's $1800 dollars. A far cry from giving Regis $15,000. HC is getting a nice guarantee to go to Wisconsin because they bring in so much money with home games, they can write a big check to avoid home and homes |
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Post by hchoops on Sept 4, 2024 10:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 4, 2024 11:48:01 GMT -5
Why would anyone in the Patriot League pay anyone else in the Patriot League; all match-ups between those fine institutions are home-and-home? I am not sure about this, but I think schools give a percentage of the gate to the visiting school I get the fact that HC can have an extra home game by scheduling two D-III's instead of 2 home and home's From a financial standpoint, if you play Stonehill home and home and bring in 1200 fans at $15 a head and give the visitors 10 percent of the gate, that's $1800 dollars. A far cry from giving Regis $15,000. HC is getting a nice guarantee to go to Wisconsin because they bring in so much money with home games, they can write a big check to avoid home and homes 20+ years ago, the guarantee we got from Wisconsin was 45k. |
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Post by gks on Sept 4, 2024 13:33:13 GMT -5
The D3's have to go.
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Post by rf1 on Sept 4, 2024 14:15:58 GMT -5
Don't expect to see many A-10 schools in the near future. The new norm for the league seems to be OOC games versus non D1 schools which have no effect on the computer ratings. Twelve of the fifteen A-10 schools will play non D1 schools this upcoming season with St Louis hosting two such opponents. It seems the league members view this to be a better strategy than scheduling probable low ranked D1 teams which will adversely hurt their own computer numbers. Furthermore, non D1 schools get paid a lot less for guaranteed buy games making them more cost effective.
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Post by Tom on Sept 4, 2024 14:22:24 GMT -5
Somewhere on this message board, somebody didn't like the fact that the team prefers New England style road games vs longer trips for non-guarantee games because the expense of hotels. The thought was it was pretty rinky-dink attitude for a D-I program.
Anyhow, even as cheap as I am, I now wonder about the concern for a hotel in NYC, IF they can hand out $30K to a couple of D-III schools
disclaimer - even taking bfoley82's stat at face value about $15K being the going rate in New England for a D-III game, that does not automatically mean that HC is paying the going rate
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Post by bison137 on Sept 4, 2024 14:23:30 GMT -5
Don't expect to see many A-10 schools in the near future. The new norm for the league seems to be OOC games versus non D1 schools which have no effect on the computer ratings. Twelve of the fifteen A-10 schools will play non D1 schools this upcoming season with St Louis hosting two such opponents. It seems the league members view this to be a better strategy than scheduling probable low ranked D1 teams. Furthermore, non D1 schools get paid a lot less for guaranteed buy games. I don’t think you can generalize. Bucknell, for example, hosts two good A-10 schools this year, and they will be playing multiple A-10 schools next year. And it is doubtful they will play any D3 schools as long as John Griffin is coach. Over the last 20 years, you can count the number of D3 schools they have scheduled on one hand, and three of those were scheduled by Nathan Davis. there are also certain other patriot league schools who are unlikely to schedule D3 teams. Only a few ever schedule more than one. |
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Post by bison137 on Sept 4, 2024 14:24:58 GMT -5
Somewhere on this message board, somebody didn't like the fact that the team prefers New England style road games vs longer trips for non-guarantee games because the expense of hotels. The thought was it was pretty rinky-dink attitude for a D-I program. Anyhow, even as cheap as I am, I now wonder about the concern for a hotel in NYC, IF they can hand out $30K to a couple of D-III schools disclaimer - even taking bfoley82's stat at face value about $15K being the going rate in New England for a D-III game, that does not automatically mean that HC is paying the going rate I would not take that figure at face value. |
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Post by Wayne on Sept 4, 2024 15:35:39 GMT -5
I see that UMass is playing UMass-Boston. Crazy that even flagship state universities in the A-10 (nee MAC) are now forced to schedule D3 opponents. UMass does have six D1 home games, a 7th down I-91 in Springfield, and only two true road games, so probably wasn't necessary.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 4, 2024 16:17:43 GMT -5
I see that UMass is playing UMass-Boston. Crazy that even flagship state universities in the A-10 (nee MAC) are now forced to schedule D3 opponents. They are not "forced". It is a choice. |
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Post by Wayne on Sept 4, 2024 16:40:18 GMT -5
I see that UMass is playing UMass-Boston. Crazy that even flagship state universities in the A-10 (nee MAC) are now forced to schedule D3 opponents. They are not "forced". It is a choice. Obviously |
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 4, 2024 17:21:35 GMT -5
Wouldn't UMass playing UMass-Boston being a bit like the varsity playing a charity-type game against the JV? I'm sure it's more familial than financial.
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Post by rf1 on Sept 4, 2024 18:10:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't UMass playing UMass-Boston being a bit like the varsity playing a charity-type game against the JV? I'm sure it's more familial than financial. It might be for less but you can bet that UMass-Boston is getting a check. Schools do not visit another team with no return game if not getting a pay day. It is very naive for some to think otherwise. As for A-10 flagships playing non D1 opponents, you can add the other as URI will host Franklin Pierce this upcoming season. As mentioned above, nearly every A-10 member is playing a non D1. This includes Dayton and VCU. St Louis is actually set to play two. |
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Post by bigfan on Sept 4, 2024 18:25:44 GMT -5
We do not need to schedule D3 games.
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Post by DiMarz on Sept 4, 2024 18:37:24 GMT -5
I noticed that home games will be played in “The Hart Center Arena”. When did it become an Arena? This term is on the women’s schedule….
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Post by bison137 on Sept 4, 2024 19:27:10 GMT -5
Wouldn't UMass playing UMass-Boston being a bit like the varsity playing a charity-type game against the JV? I'm sure it's more familial than financial. It might be for less but you can bet that UMass-Boston is getting a check. Schools do not visit another team with no return game if not getting a pay day. Some definitely do. They like the idea and the prestige of playing a D1 team. There are many who will do a local game if they are compensated fair in the cost of a meal. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 4, 2024 22:22:04 GMT -5
Somewhere on this message board, somebody didn't like the fact that the team prefers New England style road games vs longer trips for non-guarantee games because the expense of hotels. The thought was it was pretty rinky-dink attitude for a D-I program. Anyhow, even as cheap as I am, I now wonder about the concern for a hotel in NYC, IF they can hand out $30K to a couple of D-III schools disclaimer - even taking bfoley82's stat at face value about $15K being the going rate in New England for a D-III game, that does not automatically mean that HC is paying the going rate HC paying OUT big money doesn't compute. I think they could play New England D-3 schools against each other, in a nice way, to get a good deal because while their numbers are shrinking, there's still a ton of them and not too many getting paid to play. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 4, 2024 22:29:34 GMT -5
I noticed that home games will be played in “The Hart Center Arena”. When did it become an Arena? This term is on the women’s schedule…. I suppose the hockey arena becomes the Hart Center Rink. The "Polar Igloo" with $_____? per year in naming rights from Polar Beverages would still work for me. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 4, 2024 22:30:51 GMT -5
Somewhere on this message board, somebody didn't like the fact that the team prefers New England style road games vs longer trips for non-guarantee games because the expense of hotels. The thought was it was pretty rinky-dink attitude for a D-I program. Anyhow, even as cheap as I am, I now wonder about the concern for a hotel in NYC, IF they can hand out $30K to a couple of D-III schools disclaimer - even taking bfoley82's stat at face value about $15K being the going rate in New England for a D-III game, that does not automatically mean that HC is paying the going rate I would not take that figure at face value. Well, you can look it up if you want as it is a public school that paid it. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 4, 2024 22:32:17 GMT -5
Hey, hey, ho, ho they have to go! The AD, coaches and staff are getting D-1 pay, schedule D-1 teams. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 4, 2024 22:32:25 GMT -5
Wouldn't UMass playing UMass-Boston being a bit like the varsity playing a charity-type game against the JV? I'm sure it's more familial than financial. It might be for less but you can bet that UMass-Boston is getting a check. Schools do not visit another team with no return game if not getting a pay day. It is very naive for some to think otherwise. As for A-10 flagships playing non D1 opponents, you can add the other as URI will host Franklin Pierce this upcoming season. As mentioned above, nearly every A-10 member is playing a non D1. This includes Dayton and VCU. St Louis is actually set to play two. Just taking money from one UMass budget and putting into another one. URI played JWU last year...I had to sit through that. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 4, 2024 22:41:40 GMT -5
Wouldn't UMass playing UMass-Boston being a bit like the varsity playing a charity-type game against the JV? I'm sure it's more familial than financial. It might be for less but you can bet that UMass-Boston is getting a check. Schools do not visit another team with no return game if not getting a pay day. It is very naive for some to think otherwise. As for A-10 flagships playing non D1 opponents, you can add the other as URI will host Franklin Pierce this upcoming season. As mentioned above, nearly every A-10 member is playing a non D1. This includes Dayton and VCU. St Louis is actually set to play two. Smart to play the Ravens in MBB where they were 4-25 last season instead of baseball where they went 28-20 and traditionally have strong teamś. |
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