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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 29, 2024 8:17:50 GMT -5
Any guesses how much ND pays those cupcakes for visiting South bend ? It’s been a long time since the bad blood between us and ND because of the Kearney firing - we should get on their schedule next year Only if it doesn't interfere with Regis and/or Mitchell.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 29, 2024 11:59:19 GMT -5
Any guesses how much ND pays those cupcakes for visiting South bend ? It’s been a long time since the bad blood between us and ND because of the Kearney firing - we should get on their schedule next year Yeah, they should come to the Hart Center, or maybe DCU, as they still "owe" us a game for hiring Kearney. Pretty sure the handshake agreement didn't include firing the guy, just hiring him. P.S. I liked Sean. Poor coach but really nice guy. I wish him well.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 29, 2024 18:22:49 GMT -5
Any guesses how much ND pays those cupcakes for visiting South bend ? It’s been a long time since the bad blood between us and ND because of the Kearney firing - we should get on their schedule next year You can't say that ND doesn't take care of a sister school (Stonehill). Wonder if they've ever played Portland?
And, oddly enough, Kings College is a D3 school that HC played in 1978 after the Blizzard of '78 cancelled the ND game (HC could have flown out there early, but didn't; then again, they'd have been in South Bend for several days thereafter).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 29, 2024 19:44:19 GMT -5
Any guesses how much ND pays those cupcakes for visiting South bend ? It’s been a long time since the bad blood between us and ND because of the Kearney firing - we should get on their schedule next year Yeah, they should come to the Hart Center, or maybe DCU, as they still "owe" us a game for hiring Kearney. Pretty sure the handshake agreement didn't include firing the guy, just hiring him. P.S. I liked Sean. Poor coach but really nice guy. I wish him well. “poor Coach” doesn’t quite capture the level of incompetence that Sean Kearney demonstrated at HC.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 30, 2024 11:25:27 GMT -5
Yeah, they should come to the Hart Center, or maybe DCU, as they still "owe" us a game for hiring Kearney. Pretty sure the handshake agreement didn't include firing the guy, just hiring him. P.S. I liked Sean. Poor coach but really nice guy. I wish him well. “poor Coach” doesn’t quite capture the level of incompetence that Sean Kearney demonstrated at HC. Despite all the ramifications of removing him after one season, I'm 100% sure Regan and company made the correct decision.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 30, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -5
Didn't mean to open up an old rusty can of worms (I blame haze! ) but for the newcomers here, my often hazy recollection is: * due to Ralph's sudden departure, Sean was required by Dick Regan to keep all of Ralph's assistants - couldn't bring in any of his own guys. Human nature would be they would be loyal to Ralph and not a new guy * that said, wouldn't be fair to ax any of the assistants so late in the after-season. They'd be hard pressed to find a job elsewhere * ND head coach, Brey vouched for Sean and allegedly committed for an HC-ND match-up if DR hired Sean * Believe I recall that Ralph also vouched for Sean. At least that was the rumor at the time. * My inexpert observation was Sean seemed to think a head coach was like a CEO where he would be the big picture/strategic thinker and up to the assistants to actually run the team * the coup de gras was not just the poor results (pre-season highly rated/favorite to win the PL) but mostly a player revolt. One could argue which was the cause and which was the effect. * Dick R did the right thing and essentially admitted he made a poor choice and fired Sean
* No HC-ND game
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Post by HCFC45 on Aug 30, 2024 13:56:06 GMT -5
Also, sure I mentioned this before... had a nice conversation with Andy Sachs about all this at the Hart Center... bottom line Andy said "Ralph likes him, I don't"! The rest is history....
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 30, 2024 14:06:16 GMT -5
Two great examples of the “big time program assistant” vs the “lower division head coach” debate: the disastrous Sean Kearney vs the extraordinary Bob Chesney.
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Post by Tom on Aug 30, 2024 14:10:16 GMT -5
Didn't mean to open up an old rusty can of worms (I blame haze! ) but for the newcomers here, my often hazy recollection is: * due to Ralph's sudden departure, Sean was required by Dick Regan to keep all of Ralph's assistants - couldn't bring in any of his own guys. Human nature would be they would be loyal to Ralph and not a new guy * that said, wouldn't be fair to ax any of the assistants so late in the after-season. They'd be hard pressed to find a job elsewhere * ND head coach, Brey vouched for Sean and allegedly committed for an HC-ND match-up if DR hired Sean * Believe I recall that Ralph also vouched for Sean. At least that was the rumor at the time. * My inexpert observation was Sean seemed to think a head coach was like a CEO where he would be the big picture/strategic thinker and up to the assistants to actually run the team * the coup de gras was not just the poor results (pre-season highly rated/favorite to win the PL) but mostly a player revolt. One could argue which was the cause and which was the effect. * Dick R did the right thing and essentially admitted he made a poor choice and fired Sean
* No HC-ND gameI do not recall hearing Dick Regan "requiring" Coach Kearney to keep assistants. It is not unheard of for a school to "ask" a new coach to keep an current assistant for a year. I know that Coach Willard was asked to keep one of Coach Raynor's assistants and he did. Would not be shocked if it was suggested that Coach Paulsen keep RJ Evans for one year. That being said, it was late in the game and it might have been hard to find a full slate of assistants. Coach Keaney did hire one of his assistants. The whole staff was not initially hired by Coach WIllard Not sure what the loyalty issue has to do with this. Was RJ Evans loyal (or disloyal) to Coach Nelson? Everybody has gotten a new boss while staying in the same role. It happens. If Daignault and Sanchez took over the team, I think it was a case of filling a vacuum and not adherence to Coach Willard. Guarantee games on the road are out there to be found. The promise was that Notre Dame would come to Worcester (presumably the Centrum) Coach Kearney might have had a CEO philosophy, but unless Brey was doing the same thing, one would hope that he observed the head coach running a practice. It is my understanding that Coach Kearney was running the practices and not delegating that to assistants. Unfortunately, he seemed to have no clue how to run a practce
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 30, 2024 15:06:03 GMT -5
As usual, we disagree on so many things. But I'm dropping it. This is all water over the dam (or better, "DAMN!!" ).
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Post by bison137 on Aug 30, 2024 16:08:15 GMT -5
“poor Coach” doesn’t quite capture the level of incompetence that Sean Kearney demonstrated at HC. Despite all the ramifications of removing him after one season, I'm 100% sure Regan and company made the correct decision. I'm sure they did too. Not sure if it was ever posted here that Kearney interviewed for the Bucknell job the previous year. Thankfully he did not get past the first interview. Two others who interviewed at the same time were James and Joe Jones.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 30, 2024 16:50:10 GMT -5
Regarding a rumor that Ralph vouched for Sean, I have no info but Sean was a volunteer assistant coach for Rick Pitino at Providence and Ralph and Rick were acquainted with each other.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 30, 2024 16:59:28 GMT -5
But Pitino never gave Kearney a paid position anywhere Pitino coached.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 30, 2024 17:40:03 GMT -5
Let’s also remember the sub-optimal career W-L record of Mike Brey's assistants who moved on to head coaching jobs
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 30, 2024 17:54:59 GMT -5
What was FHCRW going to do? Publicly say that he thought FHCSK was a bad hire?
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 30, 2024 19:03:17 GMT -5
I don’t care who vouched for Kearney, Dick Regan’s real mistake was starting a search in mid-June.
I felt it then and know it now, not sliding Andy Sachs over one seat as soon a Ralph said good bye, even as an interim head coach, was the real mistake.
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 30, 2024 19:41:42 GMT -5
What was FHCRW going to do? Publicly say that he thought FHCSK was a bad hire? He could have said nothing!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 31, 2024 4:17:35 GMT -5
This is what happens to schedule threads when you schedule 2 D3 schools. We truly can't end a conversation of that former coach without thanking him for his one gift: #50
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Post by Tom on Aug 31, 2024 7:20:01 GMT -5
I don’t care who vouched for Kearney, Dick Regan’s real mistake was starting a search in mid-June. I felt it then and know it now, not sliding Andy Sachs over one seat as soon a Ralph said good bye, even as an interim head coach, was the real mistake. Was Sachs a free agent when Coach Willard left, or was he already under contract to Bethany College?
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Post by hchoops on Aug 31, 2024 7:39:43 GMT -5
A very free agent
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Post by timholycross on Aug 31, 2024 8:01:20 GMT -5
Let’s also remember the sub-optimal career W-L record of Bret’s assistants who moved on to head coaching jobs I think you mean "Brey", right?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 31, 2024 8:04:14 GMT -5
Let’s also remember the sub-optimal career W-L record of Bret’s assistants who moved on to head coaching jobs I think you mean "Brey", right? Thank you for the alert-I made the edit above
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 31, 2024 11:06:51 GMT -5
Sorry that I started this deviation from the topic of this thread by mentioning that former coach. I hereby return this discussion to our OOC topic and that trip to Madison Nov 4.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 3, 2024 15:46:26 GMT -5
The going rate for a lower level D-1 to play a D-3 in New England is around 15k
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2024 19:01:04 GMT -5
The going rate for a lower level D-1 to play a D-3 in New England is around 15k For clarification, are you saying it is common for a low D-I (like Holy Cross) to pay about 15K to bring in a D-III team (like Regis)? I suppose the follow up question would be what percentage of the gate (or average dollars for a team like HC) pay to their peer visitors? I have stated that I am not a fan of the D-III games. Writing a check would not improve my opinion on the topic
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