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Post by sader1970 on May 2, 2024 10:52:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, the other thread was locked. Not trying to crank the subject back up but for those closer to campus, have all the campus protests escaped Holy Cross? I see that even fellow Jesuit Fordham has had some issues (maybe its a NYC thing with Columbia and NYU?).
I plan to be at the graduation at the DCU and would be greatly disappointed if there are issues that would cause it to be cancelled.
Considering that there is only one webcam left on campus that is active, can't tell anything from that.
Hopefully a case of no news is good news and suspect the earlier letter from Vince Rougeau has helped keep the peace.
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 2, 2024 11:12:30 GMT -5
Holy Cross students are smarter than that, apparently.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 2, 2024 11:31:41 GMT -5
The sad thing about what transpired at Columbia is that many of those who trespassed and broke into a building on campus were not even students, but rather professional protesters / agitators.
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Post by hcpride on May 2, 2024 11:55:16 GMT -5
I’m heading to a different college graduation in 3 weeks and have the same concerns. These sorts of protesters (students, faculty members, professionals agitators, and otherwise) are not known for respecting the rights of others and I’d hate to have the graduation experience marred/disrupted/halted. This year’s college seniors have already seen their high school graduations cancelled/curtailed by Covid restrictions and ditto regarding their first year on campus.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 2, 2024 20:48:58 GMT -5
I have heard reports that the protests have been coordinated by an organization not associated with the colleges. You can be certain that there are paid professional protestors on site at the colleges
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Post by mm67 on May 2, 2024 21:07:30 GMT -5
Professional agitators? Lisa Fithian was involved in the Columbia protests. Look her up.
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Post by sader1970 on May 2, 2024 21:54:13 GMT -5
The intent of this thread was the situation at Holy Cross specifically. The Dean put a lock on the general subject and from what I read, nothing addressed what, if anything, has happened there. Again, not looking to regurgitate what was previously posted about other campuses, only at our alma mater.
If nothing there, I'm perfectly fine with that.
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Post by longsuffering on May 2, 2024 23:06:45 GMT -5
HC students don't want their career opportunities jeopardized.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on May 3, 2024 5:19:40 GMT -5
HC students don't want their career opportunities jeopardized. Peaceful and lawful protests do not jeopardize one's career opportunities.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 3, 2024 7:16:06 GMT -5
There are a minuscule number of Jewish students matriculating. And a minuscule, if any, number of students with familial ties to Palestine / Middle East matriculating.
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Post by Tom on May 3, 2024 7:59:54 GMT -5
I have heard nothing on local news (and I am in Worcester) about anything at any of the Worcester colleges including Holy Cross. There was a Fenwick sit in a few years ago and I did hear about that so I am assuming the news would not be covered up
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Post by longsuffering on May 3, 2024 8:00:20 GMT -5
HC students don't want their career opportunities jeopardized. Peaceful and lawful protests do not jeopardize one's career opportunities. If you hide it from your social media. Unemployment rose to 3.9% today and new jobs created came in light at 175,000. It's quickly becoming an employer's market. But I think Pak's explanation rings true also.
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Post by Tom on May 3, 2024 8:03:37 GMT -5
HC students don't want their career opportunities jeopardized. Peaceful and lawful protests do not jeopardize one's career opportunities. True. At some colleges, students have crossed that line and been arrested. It doesn't matter why someone was protesting, for the rest of their lives those kids will have to answer "yes" to a job application question "Have you ever been arrested". That might jeopardize a career opportunity. So I am happy I have not heard of any Crusaders being arrested
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Post by longsuffering on May 3, 2024 8:04:05 GMT -5
I have heard nothing on local news (and I am in Worcester) about anything at any of the Worcester colleges including Holy Cross. There was a Fenwick sit in a few years ago and I did hear about that so I am assuming the news would not be covered up Clark student body is approximately 25% Jewish. But it also has a large international student presence and a reputation for being liberal. I would not be surprised if activity happens there.
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Post by rgs318 on May 3, 2024 8:21:36 GMT -5
Longsuffering, I was not aware of thse enrollment numbers. Thanks for that info.
It has been said that the essence of tragedy is the conflict of "right vs right." Israel/Palestinehas long been the number one example of that.
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Post by longsuffering on May 3, 2024 9:05:09 GMT -5
Longsuffering, I was not aware of thse enrollment numbers. Thanks for that info. It has been said that the essence of tragedy is the conflict of "right vs right." Israel/Palestinehas long been the number one example of that. The side with ten times the number of innocent civilians dead might be "righter" but I understand the point. It's the first time I've heard that phrase and it rings true.
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Post by gks on May 3, 2024 9:13:00 GMT -5
Professional agitators? Lisa Fithian was involved in the Columbia protests. Look her up. Is she the sister of the President of Clark University?
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Post by alum on May 3, 2024 10:02:42 GMT -5
Peaceful and lawful protests do not jeopardize one's career opportunities. True. At some colleges, students have crossed that line and been arrested. It doesn't matter why someone was protesting, for the rest of their lives those kids will have to answer "yes" to a job application question "Have you ever been arrested". That might jeopardize a career opportunity. So I am happy I have not heard of any Crusaders being arrested FWIW, more and more states have banned questions asking about criminal convictions on job applications. Even more (probably most) don't allow questions about arrests which don't result in convictions. In addition, it is not unusual for these type of arrests to ultimately result in either the outright dismissal of charges or after use of a diversionary program. (N.B. You probably do have to disclose it for federal jobs and certainly on a security clearance application.) Here is a webstie I found with some information on this. www.orangetreescreening.com/resource-center/which-states-have-ban-the-box-laws#:~:text=CONNECTICUT,erased%20records%20at%20any%20time. Finally, many great Americans have been convicted of crimes they felt necessary to commit in order to promote a cause in which they believed and have gone on to have successful lives. See, for example, Rosa Parks, MLK, John Lewis, the Berrigans, Susan B. Anthony, etc. I know it is easy to say that what these people are doing is different and more wrong, but you can't ascribe the same motivation to every protester and the actions of the people I mentioned were roundly condemned at the time they committed them, too. To be clear, I don't like vandalism and think that protesters should leave buildings when told. I have no problem with encampments. I don't think any fellow student should be stopped from walking on campus where they are entitled to be.
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Post by Tom on May 3, 2024 10:19:05 GMT -5
True. At some colleges, students have crossed that line and been arrested. It doesn't matter why someone was protesting, for the rest of their lives those kids will have to answer "yes" to a job application question "Have you ever been arrested". That might jeopardize a career opportunity. So I am happy I have not heard of any Crusaders being arrested FWIW, more and more states have banned questions asking about criminal convictions on job applications. Even more (probably most) don't allow questions about arrests which don't result in convictions. In addition, it is not unusual for these type of arrests to ultimately result in either the outright dismissal of charges or after use of a diversionary program. (N.B. You probably do have to disclose it for federal jobs and certainly on a security clearance application.) Here is a webstie I found with some information on this. www.orangetreescreening.com/resource-center/which-states-have-ban-the-box-laws#:~:text=CONNECTICUT,erased%20records%20at%20any%20time. Finally, many great Americans have been convicted of crimes they felt necessary to commit in order to promote a cause in which they believed and have gone on to have successful lives. See, for example, Rosa Parks, MLK, John Lewis, the Berrigans, Susan B. Anthony, etc. I know it is easy to say that what these people are doing is different and more wrong, but you can't ascribe the same motivation to every protester and the actions of the people I mentioned were roundly condemned at the time they committed them, too. To be clear, I don't like vandalism and think that protesters should leave buildings when told. I have no problem with encampments. I don't think any fellow student should be stopped from walking on campus where they are entitled to be. Even if it's not on the application, it can show up in a background check. To the best of my knowledge, the people you mentioned had their eyes wide open, understood the ramifications of what they were doing, and made an informed decision that their cause was worthy of the potential consequences they might suffer. The same may or may not be true of today's protestors.
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Post by alum on May 3, 2024 10:28:37 GMT -5
FWIW, more and more states have banned questions asking about criminal convictions on job applications. Even more (probably most) don't allow questions about arrests which don't result in convictions. In addition, it is not unusual for these type of arrests to ultimately result in either the outright dismissal of charges or after use of a diversionary program. (N.B. You probably do have to disclose it for federal jobs and certainly on a security clearance application.) Here is a webstie I found with some information on this. www.orangetreescreening.com/resource-center/which-states-have-ban-the-box-laws#:~:text=CONNECTICUT,erased%20records%20at%20any%20time. Finally, many great Americans have been convicted of crimes they felt necessary to commit in order to promote a cause in which they believed and have gone on to have successful lives. See, for example, Rosa Parks, MLK, John Lewis, the Berrigans, Susan B. Anthony, etc. I know it is easy to say that what these people are doing is different and more wrong, but you can't ascribe the same motivation to every protester and the actions of the people I mentioned were roundly condemned at the time they committed them, too. To be clear, I don't like vandalism and think that protesters should leave buildings when told. I have no problem with encampments. I don't think any fellow student should be stopped from walking on campus where they are entitled to be. Even if it's not on the application, it can show up in a background check. To the best of my knowledge, the people you mentioned had their eyes wide open, understood the ramifications of what they were doing, and made an informed decision that their cause was worthy of the potential consequences they might suffer. The same may or may not be true of today's protestors. Expunged records are not supposed to show up on background checks and, if used, can result in discriminatory practices complaints in many states. The agencies that do background checks remove expunged records if they know. It is not a perfect system and newspaper reports will often still exist but this the system is getting better. This is not to say that a future employer might not make a hiring decision on the basis of the conduct alone as opposed to an arrest. ( Kyle Rittenhouse's arrest is obviously expunged as he was acquitted but he has a household name and I am sure that many employers would steer clear of him. )
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 3, 2024 10:44:15 GMT -5
Nothing will happen at Clark. This is exam week. Residence halls close on May 8 at noon.
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Post by hcpride on May 3, 2024 10:54:07 GMT -5
Lost in all the pro-Hamas/antisemitism/trespass/intimidation/encampment protests at many campuses is this one spectacular bit of weirdness at (of all places, LOL) Harvard. Quite a visual. Apparently the pro-Palestinian encampment at Harvard was unceremoniously invaded by 100 naked men and women participating in a traditional pre-finals "Primal Scream" streaking night. I have absolutely no idea why Harvard gets the reputation of being an oddball place. But kudos for the headline: “Harvard Students Streak Around Encampment in Cheeky Primal Scream Display” www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/5/2/primal-scream-harvard-yard-encampment/
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Post by rgs318 on May 3, 2024 12:10:00 GMT -5
Peaceful and lawful protests do not jeopardize one's career opportunities. True. At some colleges, students have crossed that line and been arrested. It doesn't matter why someone was protesting, for the rest of their lives those kids will have to answer "yes" to a job application question "Have you ever been arrested". That might jeopardize a career opportunity. So I am happy I have not heard of any Crusaders being arrested ...only if they want to tell the truth do they have to answer "yes." Also, don't more applications ask if you have ever been "convicted" of a crime? I believe many states have banned that but my info may be a bit dated by now.
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Post by Tom on May 3, 2024 12:50:30 GMT -5
True. At some colleges, students have crossed that line and been arrested. It doesn't matter why someone was protesting, for the rest of their lives those kids will have to answer "yes" to a job application question "Have you ever been arrested". That might jeopardize a career opportunity. So I am happy I have not heard of any Crusaders being arrested ...only if they want to tell the truth do they have to answer "yes." Also, don't more applications ask if you have ever been "convicted" of a crime? I believe many states have banned that but my info may be a bit dated by now. Speaking personally, if I saw a job application where someone said they were convicted of a crime, I would want more information (unless I had a stack of great applications ). Depending on the crime and how long ago, I might nor care. If someone chose not to tell the truth and said no even though they had been convicted and it came up in a background check, that bridge would be permanently burned to me. But that's just me. Once, in the days before Uber, we had an employee miss his ride for work, so he stole a car to get here. I can't hold that little felony over a guy who did it in dedication to the job
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Post by rgs318 on May 3, 2024 13:32:06 GMT -5
Sarcasm noted: In what world is "grand theft auto" a "little felony?" I worked for 6 years with paroled felons and deciding how to complete questionnaires was an "adventure."
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