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Post by sader1970 on May 6, 2024 8:58:45 GMT -5
While I am not a spokesman for the HC Athletic Department, on another thread, a poster indicated that donations made to individual sports went instead to some large kitty that was allocated as seen fit by the AD not to the sport it was intended to go towards (Believe it was Men's LAX specifically if memory serves). That was not my understanding and I sought clarification from Kit Hughes.
Here is the relevant part of Kit's response to me. It reassures me that my understanding was, in fact, correct and greatly appreciate Kit's quick response and, maybe more importantly, his approach to athletic giving. We are fortunate to have him as our AD IMHO. [emphasis mine below]
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Post by woorat on May 6, 2024 9:53:16 GMT -5
I can 100% guarantee everyone that a sports specific gift was never used for another sport in years past! (At least prior to 2015). Who knows what Pine did. Nothing he did/would do would not surprise me.
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Post by rf1 on May 6, 2024 9:55:35 GMT -5
Won't matter as much with giving to school athletic departments on the decline and giving to NIL collectives on the rise.
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Post by purple1 on May 6, 2024 14:36:55 GMT -5
Thank you Kit for the clear clarification on donors' gifts and how they are used......
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Post by drjack on May 6, 2024 14:38:04 GMT -5
I'm honestly just shocked this needed to be clarified.
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Post by sader1970 on May 6, 2024 15:28:33 GMT -5
I can 100% guarantee everyone that a sports specific gift was never used for another sport in years past! (At least prior to 2015). Who knows what Pine did. Nothing he did/would do would not surprise me. You're caveat "prior to 2015" is where you miss the boat. Or perhaps, where you are more accurate. I can 100% guarantee you that a certain AD, in fact, split all donations that had both a men's and women's team between both teams (i.e. basketball, soccer, LAX, hockey, etc.) because it was his belief that he was required to do that by Title IX. He told me this directly. Football was always safe because there was no complementary women's team. I did not and will not post Kit's entire email back to me but I will point out the phrase above "While that may have been true previously, that is absolutely not the case now." Most importantly, I wanted to clarify that this is not the case now as some had erroneously thought. |
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Post by Tom on May 7, 2024 8:18:38 GMT -5
I can 100% guarantee everyone that a sports specific gift was never used for another sport in years past! (At least prior to 2015). Who knows what Pine did. Nothing he did/would do would not surprise me. You're caveat "prior to 2015" is where you miss the boat. Or perhaps, where you are more accurate. I can 100% guarantee you that a certain AD, in fact, split all donations that had both a men's and women's team between both teams (i.e. basketball, soccer, LAX, hockey, etc.) because it was his belief that he was required to do that by Title IX. He told me this directly. Football was always safe because there was no complementary women's team. I did not and will not post Kit's entire email back to me but I will point out the phrase above "While that may have been true previously, that is absolutely not the case now." Most importantly, I wanted to clarify that this is not the case now as some had erroneously thought. 1) The form for sport specific giving used to just list the sport. It did not have an option for men's soccer or women's soccer - it simply said soccer. In that case, I would say it would be good and proper to split the money 50-50 between men and women 2) If the CAF received $10, 000 this year directed to basketball, and in addition to that, I gave $1000, but ignoring the old form, I directed it towards men's basketball, the athletic department could take the 10K directed towards simply basketball, but instead of going 50-50, give $5500 to the women and $4500 to the men. Add in my $1000 to the men and both teams got the same money - and at the same time the school honored my request that my donation go only to the men. I always thought this shell game went on. Directed donations went where they were directed, but budgeted money from unrestricted funds can be reduced from the beneficiary of the directed gift and used elsewhere. I'm not sure Kit's letter convinces me this shell game doesn't happen. That doesn't mean that when CHC8485 or Mr Luth send a boat load of directed cash, that exceeds the total budget for that directed project, that the school can offset general funds greater than the directed gift. 3) or maybe I'm just being cynical on a sunny Tuesday |
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Post by sader1970 on May 7, 2024 8:36:56 GMT -5
The answer to the above multiple choice is #3. All those who gave that answer have aced the test.
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Post by longsuffering on May 7, 2024 8:56:49 GMT -5
The trips to Ireland by FB and WBB are examples of sport specific extras that could have been supported by sport specific contributions. I remember an expensive high tech performance measuring tool that Coach Chesney was appreciative of that probably came from sport specific gifts.
What other expenditures for specific items can people recall from sport specific donations to the CAF for various sports?
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Post by HC92 on May 7, 2024 12:53:31 GMT -5
I think the concern has always been that a sport that gets a lot of donations will in fact receive those donations but may get less of a share of the athletic budget from the school because their donations are providing a good chunk of the funding needed to run that sport. No idea if that actually happens or not but that would be the concern.
Edit: I now see that Tom basically makes the same point above.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 7, 2024 14:01:04 GMT -5
I can 100% guarantee everyone that a sports specific gift was never used for another sport in years past! (At least prior to 2015). Who knows what Pine did. Nothing he did/would do would not surprise me. Pine had a Title IX concern. I was told he would take monies from the general CAF and give them to a women's sport that had received little/no donor money, and the parallel men's sport had received a generous donation amount.. NP would be acutely sensitive to Title IX issues as the softball team succeeded with their Title IX complaint, and HC entered into a consent decree with the Department of Education to remedy the unequal treatment. (NP had inherited the issue.) |
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Post by Tom on May 7, 2024 14:01:55 GMT -5
Won't matter as much with giving to school athletic departments on the decline and giving to NIL collectives on the rise. I suppose shifting one dollar from the athletic department to the NIL collective would make that true. I would think it's still a little early in the game to see how it all pans out. It is reasonable to assume that any money given to an NIL collective means reduced giving somewhere else (unless NIL donations are dollars that formerly would have been spent on non-charitable endeavors. Athletic departments still have the advantage of being classified as 501(c) |
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Post by beachbound on May 7, 2024 22:05:44 GMT -5
I think the concern has always been that a sport that gets a lot of donations will in fact receive those donations but may get less of a share of the athletic budget from the school because their donations are providing a good chunk of the funding needed to run that sport. No idea if that actually happens or not but that would be the concern. Edit: I now see that Tom basically makes the same point above. Bingo! And that was the point this men’s lax poster was making that prompted this, IMO, misleading thread. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 7, 2024 22:39:41 GMT -5
What extras are being provided by the CAF? It looks like the concern that the CAF would become part of the budget and not be used exclusively for extras has merit.
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Post by sader1970 on May 8, 2024 8:28:21 GMT -5
Forgive me for being a bit defensive. This thread was created, as I quoted and do so again (below), with the phrase that money raised for LAX hardly goes to LAX but instead is spread around the department (other sports). IT. DOES. NOT.
While it is possible (probable even?) that if a lot of CAF money comes into a sport (i.e. LAX), that the Athletic Department could put less departmental budget money into that sport, that is NOT the same as saying that they are giving away LAX money to another sport. Maybe there is more athletic department money available that can go to other sports but they aren't taking LAX CAF money away from LAX. You may say that's no difference, but I think so. (I agree with '92 BTW except he may be "concerned." I'm not).
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