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Post by purplehaze on Jul 10, 2024 8:37:17 GMT -5
From an article in The Athletic - reality of paying players instead of administrators:
Trev Alberts, AD at Texas A&M who arrived in March from Nebraska, laid off 18 staffers in May, a cost-cutting move to prepare the department for a future of revenue sharing with athletes, a result from the House v. NCAA settlement expected to cost major programs around $20 million a year.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 6, 2024 9:38:43 GMT -5
The WaPo reported this morning that the judge hearing the case is unhappy with the settlement terms oh House, and the sticking point seems to be the effort to limit NILs and collectives. The judge admitted she didn't know how to fix that issue, and instructed the parties to try and work something out over the next three weeks.
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Post by football44 on Sept 6, 2024 11:12:06 GMT -5
The WaPo reported this morning that the judge hearing the case is unhappy with the settlement terms oh House, and the sticking point seems to be the effort to limit NILs and collectives. The judge admitted she didn't know how to fix that issue, and instructed the parties to try and work something out over the next three weeks. The train has left the station. There's nothing this judge can do now. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 6, 2024 11:40:45 GMT -5
The WaPo reported this morning that the judge hearing the case is unhappy with the settlement terms oh House, and the sticking point seems to be the effort to limit NILs and collectives. The judge admitted she didn't know how to fix that issue, and instructed the parties to try and work something out over the next three weeks. The train has left the station. There's nothing this judge can do now. Not sure the context of this re. The judge but she has the authority to NOT approve the settlement and force the parties to go to trial. She absolutely holds the power over any final resolution in this attempted mediation . But it’s important to note what her beef appears to be. She is saying the NCAA is trying to TAKE AWAY the NIL/Collective opportunities of the athletes and boosters. She’s saying you can’t put any guardrails/regulations on these collectives despite the desired revenue sharing model by the NCAA and Universities. She’s pushing for more rights and power for the athletes and boosters while the NCAA is complaining they need the ability to regulate Collectives/Booster activities as this is essential and the lynch pin of the deal/settlement. Basically - this is the world and free market that has been created and now the norm - you deal with those consequences NCAA. You want to go to a rev share model…fine…but that should be IN ADDITION to 3rd party collectives facilitating NIL payments to athletes. |
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Post by hc69 on Sept 6, 2024 11:57:54 GMT -5
The WaPo reported this morning that the judge hearing the case is unhappy with the settlement terms oh House, and the sticking point seems to be the effort to limit NILs and collectives. The judge admitted she didn't know how to fix that issue, and instructed the parties to try and work something out over the next three weeks. The train has left the station. There's nothing this judge can do now. She's not looking tor roll back NILs and collectives. Quite the contrary. The proposed settlement includes some limitations on NILs and collectives to give schools some degree of control. She's questioning the limitations. She seems to be leaning toward fewer or no limitations, in other words, an even wilder version of the proposed wild, wild west that would result from the settlement.
EDIT: I was typing my response when midwest posted his. We're saying pretty much the same thing.
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Post by newadvisor on Sept 6, 2024 21:37:36 GMT -5
If you watched college game day last week Saban said it best.. If you don't pay the right players your #@*&$~! out of luck. The rich will get richer and there will be no middle ground.
So it's either get on board or deal with the loses, welcome to the new and improved NFL farm league..
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Post by football44 on Sept 7, 2024 5:49:28 GMT -5
If you watched college game day last week Saban said it best.. If you don't pay the right players your #@*&$~! out of luck. The rich will get richer and there will be no middle ground. So it's either get on board or deal with the loses, welcome to the new and improved NFL farm league.. Newadvisor is correct.This includes teams in the FCS as well. FCS is also now the “farm league” for the FBS. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 7, 2024 6:13:25 GMT -5
The judge said this,
Basically, she punted.
Without rules, you will never have parity. And to have rules, you need either for Congress to give you an anti-trust exemption, or you have to enter into collective bargaining agreements with the athletes. The athletes being categorized as employees.
IMO, the other option is for the Power Four conferences to reduce revenue so that their athletics programs operate at a loss. That's why provisions of House going forward would only apply to the money-making Power Four conferences, and potentially one or two Big East schools (where revenue exceeds expenses).
Otherwise the NCAA is powerless, and the individual Big 4 conferences are powerless to impose constraints.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 7, 2024 8:07:28 GMT -5
If you watched college game day last week Saban said it best.. If you don't pay the right players your #@*&$~! out of luck. The rich will get richer and there will be no middle ground. So it's either get on board or deal with the loses, welcome to the new and improved NFL farm league.. Newadvisor is correct.This includes teams in the FCS as well. FCS is also now the “farm league” for the FBS. This is absolutely the risk. While FCS isn’t gonna match FBS money, Sam Herder and others have done solid reporting that if an FCS school can at least give the player something (even if it’s 1/5 of what an FBS is offering), retention has been solid at FCS programs with top cultures. |
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Post by hc69 on Sept 7, 2024 10:05:15 GMT -5
The judge said this, IMO, the other option is for the Power Four conferences to reduce revenue so that their athletics programs operate at a loss. That's why provisions of House going forward would only apply to the money-making Power Four conferences, and potentially one or two Big East schools (where revenue exceeds expenses). Without an anti-trust exemption from Congress, the conferences can't conspire to reduce revenues. And it won't matter anyway. While the initial decision will apply only to House, the underlying legal analysis will easily be extended to all schools. Regardless of division, schools will be unable to regulate NILs and collectives. Even D3 won't be exempt. They will be able to continue to be non-scholarship but they won't be able to prevent the formation of collectives or prevent collectives or individual boosters from paying players.
So what happens when the Ivies are forced to allow collectives? It will hardly be a level playing field when our collective is competing with Harvard's collective for players.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 7, 2024 10:59:50 GMT -5
The judge said this, IMO, the other option is for the Power Four conferences to reduce revenue so that their athletics programs operate at a loss. That's why provisions of House going forward would only apply to the money-making Power Four conferences, and potentially one or two Big East schools (where revenue exceeds expenses). Without an anti-trust exemption from Congress, the conferences can't conspire to reduce revenues. And it won't matter anyway. While the initial decision will apply only to House, the underlying legal analysis will easily be extended to all schools. Regardless of division, schools will be unable to regulate NILs and collectives. Even D3 won't be exempt. They will be able to continue to be non-scholarship but they won't be able to prevent the formation of collectives or prevent collectives or individual boosters from paying players.
So what happens when the Ivies are forced to allow collectives? It will hardly be a level playing field when our collective is competing with Harvard's collective for players.
Anti-trust would apply if the universities reduced revenue to lessen competition; i.e., drive other universities from competing in Division I. If universities reduced ticket prices by 30 percent, or eliminated seat licenses, how does that harm the consumer? In the NCAA, revenue is classified as generated revenue (media sales, ticket sales, etc) and allocated revenue. Allocated revenue is subsidy: student fees, direct spending by the university or state (<public universities). In 2022, for the autonomy schools (the Power 5 conferences), 90 percent of their total revenue was generated revenue. For the rest of FBS, 44 percent of total revenue was generated revenue. For FCS, 29 percent was generated revenue. For Division I, non football schools, 23 percent was generated revenue. . It is a world of the haves and have nots. |
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Post by hc69 on Sept 7, 2024 11:59:56 GMT -5
Without an anti-trust exemption from Congress, the conferences can't conspire to reduce revenues. And it won't matter anyway. While the initial decision will apply only to House, the underlying legal analysis will easily be extended to all schools. Regardless of division, schools will be unable to regulate NILs and collectives. Even D3 won't be exempt. They will be able to continue to be non-scholarship but they won't be able to prevent the formation of collectives or prevent collectives or individual boosters from paying players.
So what happens when the Ivies are forced to allow collectives? It will hardly be a level playing field when our collective is competing with Harvard's collective for players.
Anti-trust would apply if the universities reduced revenue to lessen competition; i.e., drive other universities from competing in Division I. If universities reduced ticket prices by 30 percent, or eliminated seat licenses, how does that harm the consumer? They can do it individually. They can't agree to do it as a group. The argument would be that they're doing it to get out from under House, i.e., to avoid paying athletes. The Ivies recently had to reach a settlement with the Feds on financial aid. They were sharing financial aid information and as a result the financial aid offers were virtually identical. Can't do that. |
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Post by football44 on Sept 10, 2024 8:12:00 GMT -5
Nice interview on X with the young lady from the Patriot League interviewing a Bucknell football player and how the player has used his "NIL" money to start a foundation back home. Congratulations young man! Great job!
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 10, 2024 8:27:02 GMT -5
Nice interview on X with the young lady from the Patriot League interviewing a Bucknell football player and how the player has used his "NIL" money to start a foundation back home. Congratulations young man! Great job! That's great to hear! I didn't know Bucknell had NIL. |
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Post by football44 on Sept 10, 2024 8:31:33 GMT -5
Nice interview on X with the young lady from the Patriot League interviewing a Bucknell football player and how the player has used his "NIL" money to start a foundation back home. Congratulations young man! Great job! That's great to hear! I didn't know Bucknell had NIL.  You do now! Along with every other Patriot League team other than HC. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 10, 2024 8:36:36 GMT -5
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Post by football44 on Sept 10, 2024 8:40:52 GMT -5
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 10, 2024 8:43:40 GMT -5
Nice interview on X with the young lady from the Patriot League interviewing a Bucknell football player and how the player has used his "NIL" money to start a foundation back home. Congratulations young man! Great job! Love this stuff! Also, the videos of NIL players using their funds to pay for some tuition of walk on teammates. Those videos always bring a smile to my face. This isn’t P4 with Lamborghinis and a Rolex - modest NIL in the hands of Patriot League type athletes have the ability to send more stories like this one viral. Selfless good can come from NIL and PL players can set that standard!! |
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Post by hc1996 on Sept 10, 2024 8:47:40 GMT -5
That's great to hear! I didn't know Bucknell had NIL. You do now! Along with every other Patriot League team other than HC. What about 1843 LLC? |
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Post by football44 on Sept 10, 2024 9:01:57 GMT -5
You do now! Along with every other Patriot League team other than HC. What about 1843 LLC? HC has not formally recognized 1843 LLC as " its" NIL Collective. As such, they do not promote 1843 LLC as its collective anywhere. |
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Post by hc1996 on Sept 10, 2024 9:25:36 GMT -5
HC has not formally recognized 1843 LLC as " its" NIL Collective. As such, they do not promote 1843 LLC as its collective anywhere. So do all the other PL schools have a recognized collective that they promote? Is our lack of a promoted collective due to legacy HC thinking like the Father Brooks non-scholarship experiment? Is HC taking a position that "we are better than this" rather than evolving with the times? |
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Post by football44 on Sept 10, 2024 9:38:34 GMT -5
HC has not formally recognized 1843 LLC as " its" NIL Collective. As such, they do not promote 1843 LLC as its collective anywhere. So do all the other PL schools have a recognized collective that they promote? Is our lack of a promoted collective due to legacy HC thinking like the Father Brooks non-scholarship experiment? Is HC taking a position that "we are better than this" rather than evolving with the times? Yes to your first question. The next two, I'll leave it to everyone's imagination as why. |
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 10, 2024 9:45:08 GMT -5
Speaking of NILs (my least favorite subject, along with the transfer portal), do you get what you pay for? Hmmm. From The Replay from The Athletic:
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Post by alum on Sept 10, 2024 9:54:12 GMT -5
That's great to hear! I didn't know Bucknell had NIL. You do now! Along with every other Patriot League team other than HC. 44--Are the other PL teams' NIL collectives more like the "official" HC one which seems to be a marketplace where one can contract with a particular athlete or more like your program where you seek to make funds available directly to athletes in coordination with coaches? (Assuming that I am describing your collective correctly.) |
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Post by football44 on Sept 10, 2024 10:06:30 GMT -5
You do now! Along with every other Patriot League team other than HC. 44--Are the other PL teams' NIL collectives more like the "official" HC one which seems to be a marketplace where one can contract with a particular athlete or more like your program where you seek to make funds available directly to athletes in coordination with coaches? (Assuming that I am describing your collective correctly.) No! The other PL schools are soliciting money from their alumni base and other contributors to offer or incentivize players to come to their school or to keep an existing player from leaving the program. And yes these types of programs are coordinated with the head coach. What sons of vaval showed was Holy Cross showing pictures of athletes that any company could hire them as a spokesman. Like you see a number of college athletes doing commercials on TV now. That is not a true NIL program. |
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