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Post by cmo on May 29, 2024 1:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2024 8:36:03 GMT -5
Wow- wonder what the back story is to create such bitterness…
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Post by Tom on May 29, 2024 8:46:53 GMT -5
Didn't some publication say that HC was one of the best bang for bucks educations around?
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Post by Tom on May 29, 2024 8:49:49 GMT -5
Does anyone have any info on what the mean and median debt is for the HC class of 2024? Does the typical Crusader walk out the door with 200K of debt?
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Post by alum on May 29, 2024 9:15:45 GMT -5
Does anyone have any info on what the mean and median debt is for the HC class of 2024? Does the typical Crusader walk out the door with 200K of debt? The only way a kid can walk out of a PL school with $200K in debt is if the parents refused to pay about $45000 of the expected family contribution every year. EDIT: I probably overstated here. I am not sure that all of the PL schools meet 100% of need. Certainly, no grads of the service academies, HC, Laf, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh or BU would need to borrow that much. Looking at its site, is is possible that AU doesn't reach 100% for every student and I am not positive about Loyola. If the estimated family contribution requires someone to pay $40,000 and the parents can't/won't pay anything, a good flagship state university (especially in an honors program) is a good choice. |
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Post by rgs318 on May 29, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5
Also, I was not aware that the PL awards any degrees? Degrees come from the individual PL members, do they not? It seems to be the critics (IMHO) that try to lump all PL schools together as if they were all one institution.
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Post by rgs318 on May 29, 2024 9:21:40 GMT -5
According to college factual.com -
"Over 30 Years, a Degree at College of the Holy Cross is Worth $1,635,000. Setting aside the time value of money, after 30 years, an undergraduate degree from College of the Holy Cross is worth about $1,635,000 more than what it would cost you."
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Post by alum on May 29, 2024 9:21:57 GMT -5
Cornell grad www.nickhuber.com/about#:~:text=Hi%2C%20I'm%20Nick%20Huber,my%20first%20company%2C%20Storage%20Squad. From what I have seen, other Ivy grads mock people who went to Cornell. I guess he got tired of that and looked around for somebody else to trash.  |
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Post by rgs318 on May 29, 2024 9:25:14 GMT -5
Reminds me of the Ivy parody of the Cornell alma mater: "Far above Cayuga's waters there is such a smell. Some say it's Cayuga's waters...others say Cornell." [see the BC parody of our own alma mater in regard to "applesauce."  ] |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 29, 2024 9:31:21 GMT -5
I understand the point this guy is making, I just don't think it's the best example.
If one is an in-state kid at UConn (~$20K), is the education one receives and alumni network one has access to there that much worse than going to, say, Trinity (~$65,000)? College is all what one makes of it.
I think there are a lot of liberal arts colleges out there that are $70K+ a year that aren't the best schools and don't have the strongest alumni networks that are fair to question if it's worth it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2024 9:34:01 GMT -5
Let me fill in the one word missing from his self-intro on-line: "Hi, I’m Nick Huber, a serial entrepreneur, investor, creator, and loser focused on real estate and small business".
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Post by hcpride on May 29, 2024 10:16:18 GMT -5
I understand the point this guy is making, I just don't think it's the best example. If one is an in-state kid at UConn (~$20K), is the education one receives and alumni network one has access to there that much worse than going to, say, Trinity (~$65,000)? College is all what one makes of it. I think there are a lot of liberal arts colleges out there that are $70K+ a year that aren't the best schools and don't have the strongest alumni networks that are fair to question if it's worth it. That's a good point. I see that here with my golfing friends on Long Island. A relatively bright Stuyvesant/Bronx Science kid (and family) can really question the wisdom of spending 70K-ish per year at Lehigh v 10-ish (or less) at SUNY Stony Brook. (Yes, academic and financial aid may slide those numbers.)The relative similarities in prestige make this a no-brainer. They go to SBU. Of course that is very different if they are accepted HYP & MIT. (It does seem the gap in cost of attendance has grown between some publics and some privates and that surely exacerbates that sort of thing.) |
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Post by mm67 on May 29, 2024 10:16:52 GMT -5
TBT, Cornell gets a lot of criticism from other IL students & grads. "Near Ivy" is a common refrain used to describe Cornell. Maybe this explains his ridiculous angry tweet. I have Cornell grad friends & family & like many chose HC over Cornell. I harbor no grievance against Cornell. This fella' is a mere one off not worthy of any response or attention.
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Post by hcpride on May 29, 2024 10:19:49 GMT -5
Cornell grad www.nickhuber.com/about#:~:text=Hi%2C%20I'm%20Nick%20Huber,my%20first%20company%2C%20Storage%20Squad. From what I have seen, other Ivy grads mock people who went to Cornell. I guess he got tired of that and looked around for somebody else to trash. LOL About 7 or 8 years ago an incoming Ivy first-year Facebook page was diabolically hacked to replace the word 'Cornell' with the phrase "Fake Ivy"...every time any kid typed the word "Cornell" on the page or in the comments. Kids from both the NY State and private sides of Cornell still talk about that one. |
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Post by Tom on May 29, 2024 10:46:15 GMT -5
like many chose HC over Cornell. Well. . . . ya |
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Post by hc1996 on May 29, 2024 10:57:42 GMT -5
Maybe the other Ivies are just jealous. I mean, what other Ivy offers a degree in hotel management? Seriously though, the fun poked at Cornell is amusing. 'The Office' did a fabulous job of making fun of Cornell as several of the writers were Princeton and Dartmouth grads.
Wasn't there an incident a few years back where some Cornell students physically assaulted our mascot?? Maybe I'm mistaken...
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Post by hc1996 on May 29, 2024 11:00:03 GMT -5
My internet algorithm shared one of those annoying lists with me this morning. It's all click-bait but I couldn't help myself. "The 30 best colleges in the US that aren't Ivies". Richmond, Colgate and HC made the list. Lots of other schools you'd expect. Honestly I was surprised to see HC on that list. Pleasantly surprised.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2024 11:11:40 GMT -5
Does anyone have any info on what the mean and median debt is for the HC class of 2024? Does the typical Crusader walk out the door with 200K of debt? No. Nowhere close. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2024 11:31:01 GMT -5
 Max loan debt for a member of the class of 2027 receiving need-based fin aid is probably about $15,000, or about $3,500 a year. <<< memory from the Common Data Set. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2024 11:57:14 GMT -5
He is either trolling, got screwed by a BostU grad (he lived with his wife in Boston for four years after graduating from Cornell), or didn't learn much at Cornell.
Average loan amount for Cornell students, class of 2027: $3,438. Very close to an HC's student loan amount.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 30, 2024 10:37:05 GMT -5
I checked out this guy's Twitter and IMO 99% of his posts are spot on. Not sure why he'd specifically mention the Patriot League though. There are several tiers of very meh private schools below anyone in the Patriot League that are closer in price to us than they are to state schools, but reputation and education wise would be below mid-to-high level public universities. Let me list all the PL schools: West Point, Naval Academy, Georgetown, Boston University, Fordham, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lehigh, Lafayette, Loyola of Baltimore, Bucknell, Richmond. Better example of people paying stupid $$$: people who live in great school districts but choose to go to private high school. Talking about people living in Rye who send their kid to RCDS or living in Bronxville to Horace Mann (not specifically calling out Harrison Bader, ha). |
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Post by sader1970 on May 30, 2024 10:49:44 GMT -5
And when did state schools become "free rides?" I must have missed that in the news.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2024 6:25:29 GMT -5
And when did state schools become " free rides?" I must have missed that in the news. He said his ACT score was 23, and he was admitted to Cornell because he was good at track. And I suspect he was admitted to one of the land grant (public) schools at Cornell. Half of undergraduate Cornell is a public university funded by the state of New York. The public/private dichotomy at Cornell may parallel his contrasting the PL with public universities. His tweets strike me as full of glib aphorisms from someone who would really like to spend all his time giving TED Talks. |
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Post by sader1970 on May 31, 2024 7:08:49 GMT -5
Yeah but he is equating a PL kid with $200K in loans (hyperbole to be sure) with a state "free ride." A kid going to a state school still has to pay unless they are getting an athletic scholarship and the same kid going to a PL school on schollie isn't incurring a $200K or anything like that loan. As we all here know, he's comparing apples and oranges. But, then again, he's a IL grad, right? |
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Post by matunuck on May 31, 2024 7:26:13 GMT -5
My sense is the our president is acutely aware that HC's high tuition must be matched with very strong showings in the various rankings. His focus on endowment and remarks on the rankings are spot on. As someone suggested earlier, schools that combine high prices and with mediocre rankings will be in trouble given demographic trends.
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