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Post by res on Jul 19, 2024 7:40:22 GMT -5
Agreed. Of course, their nursing school meant that women students were always on the BC campus. Until I met my future wife (from St Vincent's) I admit I was jealous of that. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Didn't you have to go all the way to Olean to find a wife, or am I mis-remembering?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 19, 2024 8:44:21 GMT -5
That is my daughter-in-law. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by res on Jul 19, 2024 10:05:15 GMT -5
I was close.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 19, 2024 17:03:41 GMT -5
Your memory is impressive. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 15, 2024 11:58:44 GMT -5
There's a good article in today's Wall Street Journal (p. A12) regarding the basketball talent-drain going on in the Ivy League. Of course, the reader comes away thinking that the IL is the only league that places any meaningful emphasis on education, but it also notes the short-sightedness of players leaving IL degrees (and potentially significant future career earnings) behind in pursuit of near-term NIL paydays.
I know that part of George Blaney's recruiting pitch back in the 70s was that attending HC was more a forty-year decision than a four-year decision, and the article notes that thinking as an "oft-repeated mantra of Ivy League schools".
It's a different world!
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Post by hc1998 on Aug 15, 2024 15:00:33 GMT -5
There's a good article in today's Wall Street Journal (p. A12) regarding the basketball talent-drain going on in the Ivy League. Of course, the reader comes away thinking that the IL is the only league that places any meaningful emphasis on education, but it also notes the short-sightedness of players leaving IL degrees (and potentially significant future career earnings) behind in pursuit of near-term NIL paydays. I know that part of George Blaney's recruiting pitch back in the 70s was that attending HC was more a forty-year decision than a four-year decision, and the article notes that thinking as an "oft-repeated mantra of Ivy League schools". It's a different world! Its not only near term NIL paydays, its possibly higher professional basketball paydays upon leaving college. A significant amount of college players go on to earn a paycheck playing basketball after school...not necessarily the NBA, but other and foreign leagues. They get the NIL money in college then likely can command more basketball salary (or be signed by a higher level team, that pays more) because they are coming from a power 5 school where they contributed instead of an Ivy. And I am sure, once their playing career is over, if they were Ivy quality in college, they can land some lucrative jobs at companies led by alum of their ultimate alma mater. There is some cache in the business world to having prior high level athletes on your payroll. This isn't to definitively dismiss that they would be better off staying Ivy...just presenting some alternate thoughts. This isn't you or I, or somebody with no prospects of earning a paycheck in sports, leaving Yale after year 3 to go to a lesser academic school
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Post by princetoncrusader on Aug 15, 2024 17:34:01 GMT -5
It was a well written article. It's one thing to transfer to Stanford or Michigan, quite another to transfer to St. John's or SLU in my humble opinion. Short term thinking at it's worst. Interesting quote from the Princeton AD: “It’s our responsibility to figure out how to evolve so that we can stay relevant and competitive but also evolve in a way that allows us to stay true to our values,” Princeton athletic director John Mack said. The Tigers managed to hang on to their star forward, Caden Pierce.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2024 19:37:05 GMT -5
There's a good article in today's Wall Street Journal (p. A12) regarding the basketball talent-drain going on in the Ivy League. Of course, the reader comes away thinking that the IL is the only league that places any meaningful emphasis on education, but it also notes the short-sightedness of players leaving IL degrees (and potentially significant future career earnings) behind in pursuit of near-term NIL paydays. I know that part of George Blaney's recruiting pitch back in the 70s was that attending HC was more a forty-year decision than a four-year decision, and the article notes that thinking as an "oft-repeated mantra of Ivy League schools". It's a different world! Its not only near term NIL paydays, its possibly higher professional basketball paydays upon leaving college. A significant amount of college players go on to earn a paycheck playing basketball after school...not necessarily the NBA, but other and foreign leagues. They get the NIL money in college then likely can command more basketball salary (or be signed by a higher level team, that pays more) because they are coming from a power 5 school where they contributed instead of an Ivy. And I am sure, once their playing career is over, if they were Ivy quality in college, they can land some lucrative jobs at companies led by alum of their ultimate alma mater. There is some cache in the business world to having prior high level athletes on your payroll. This isn't to definitively dismiss that they would be better off staying Ivy...just presenting some alternate thoughts. This isn't you or I, or somebody with no prospects of earning a paycheck in sports, leaving Yale after year 3 to go to a lesser academic school Brett Nelson's appeal included that he played well for a successful P-6 college BB team. He didn't transfer in from the IL but there is a power conference cachet you carry with you inside the BB industry. It balances out for IL transfers because they gain that cachet but lose the Ivy League graduate aura. With luck they get the Power Conference cachet and retain a good chunk of the Ivy cachet because people project intelligence onto you because you got accepted to and attended an Ivy.
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Post by hc1998 on Aug 15, 2024 19:48:45 GMT -5
It was a well written article. It's one thing to transfer to Stanford or Michigan, quite another to transfer to St. John's or SLU in my humble opinion. Short term thinking at it's worst. Interesting quote from the Princeton AD: “It’s our responsibility to figure out how to evolve so that we can stay relevant and competitive but also evolve in a way that allows us to stay true to our values,” Princeton athletic director John Mack said. The Tigers managed to hang on to their star forward, Caden Pierce. I think a quality student can learn and demonstrate they are a quality student anywhere, even St. Johns....and every school, even St. Johns, has some wealthy influential alums that can open the door for you...I'm looking at you Mike Repole. Am I saying St. Johns is as good as Stanford or Michigan, absolutely not (although Michigan is soo large I find i hard to believe that there aren't at least some students there that take a course load that is less challenging, enlightening, and valuable than a challenging course load taken at a "lesser " school)....but the right student can certainly be a success coming out of a St. Johns. I equate it to when I went to grad school. I was debating between 2. A was clearly better than B, but B was offering me a partial scholarship and the cost of living nearby to A's campus was substantially higher. A friend's mother spoke to the manager in charge of hiring at her office, which was in my field of study. and he said I should go to school A since they hire the top 20% from there, and only the top 10% from B. I said to her "Then apparently your office has determined there is an equivalency there...if I can be top 20% from A, doesn't it stand to reason I will be top 10% from B and looked at to be hired by your office no matter which school I choose? And B costs less in terms of tuition and rent, etc." She couldn't argue with that logic and even discussed it with her hiring manager who conceded "He has a point"....so the better school isn't always the better opportunity. (Obviously Harvard vs. St. Johns wouldn't apply here)
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Post by hc1998 on Aug 15, 2024 19:54:31 GMT -5
Its not only near term NIL paydays, its possibly higher professional basketball paydays upon leaving college. A significant amount of college players go on to earn a paycheck playing basketball after school...not necessarily the NBA, but other and foreign leagues. They get the NIL money in college then likely can command more basketball salary (or be signed by a higher level team, that pays more) because they are coming from a power 5 school where they contributed instead of an Ivy. And I am sure, once their playing career is over, if they were Ivy quality in college, they can land some lucrative jobs at companies led by alum of their ultimate alma mater. There is some cache in the business world to having prior high level athletes on your payroll. This isn't to definitively dismiss that they would be better off staying Ivy...just presenting some alternate thoughts. This isn't you or I, or somebody with no prospects of earning a paycheck in sports, leaving Yale after year 3 to go to a lesser academic school Brett Nelson's appeal included that he played well for a successful P-6 college BB team. He didn't transfer in from the IL but there is a power conference cachet you carry with you inside the BB industry. It balances out for IL transfers because they gain that cachet but lose the Ivy League graduate aura. With luck they get the Power Conference cachet and retain a good chunk of the Ivy cachet because people project intelligence onto you because you got accepted to and attended an Ivy. Agreed 100%...alot of the guys we are talking about are guys that hope to earn a living in athletics...hopefully playing and once that well runs dry, possibly coaching, marketing, representing, front office, etc. Having the Ivy league aura combined with P-5 aura is invaluable. Imagine a Harvard player transfers to UConn and is a contributing player to a National Championship team...can anybody say his career prospects were hurt by leaving Harvard?
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Post by Tom on Aug 16, 2024 8:39:43 GMT -5
Don't get the Wall Street Journal so I couldn't read the article
How many kids are leaving the Ivy League and going to a power conference school? What percentage of Ivy League transfers out end up at a P-6 school?
Yes, the kid who does 2 years at Harvard and then goes to UConn where he contributes and wins a national championship will do just fine. However, if I were to take a wild guess with no data to back up my gut instinct, for that kid that leaves the Ivy League to contribute at a P-6 school, there are 10 transfers out who do not land in a P-6 school
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 19, 2024 13:56:13 GMT -5
Ivy leaguers have one advantage with the portal. Even if they burn a bridge with the coach by entering the portal, if they don't get a good offer they won't lose a penny of financial aid and won't have to take a year in Community College in an attempt to earn their way back to a full scholarship in the Show.
Worst case scenario they graduate from an esteemed University and pick which great job they want.
Bubba and Druzi didn't have that advantage although in a huge credit to them, they did work their way back into the Show. Not every portal jockey does. Some finish out of the money...to mix sport cliches.
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