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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 8, 2024 20:26:44 GMT -5
Please point me in the direction of the nearest DeLorean dealer! I’ll put a Crusader with a lance logo sticker on the gull wing door! Better first check with Nick Smith om whether a local Lambo dealer is a sponsor of HC athletics. But there is nothing against you contracting for an NIL extolling the need and virtue of Jesuit vocations.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 8, 2024 21:31:12 GMT -5
Please point me in the direction of the nearest DeLorean dealer! I’ll put a Crusader with a lance logo sticker on the gull wing door! Then find a white horse to pull it.🙂 Several excellent explanations posted by several people about NIL. Thanks everyone.
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 7:09:49 GMT -5
Holy Cross school policy does not prohibit a coach from extolling the merits of alums / friends / businesses establishing a collective, with said collective subsequently signing a NIL contract with an athlete. ------------------------------------- Eighteen months ago, Holy Cross signed a contract with MOGL to manage NILs for student athletes and the College. goholycross.com/news/2022/12/19/athletics-holy-cross-selects-mogl-as-its-nil-solution.aspxBolding and Capitalization in the original. Great! Another cost Holy Cross is willing to pay for that will have NO affect on the day to day lives of Coach Curran and Coach Paulsen’s teams. This company, MOGL is NOT set up to financially support our teams. Their goal is to represent a Holy Cross athlete ( for a cost) get deals with local and possibly national companies for their on field success. This service does not help our coaches recruit and keep talented student athletes from being pouched by other schools. Contributing to 1843 LLC will give these coaches a fighting chance.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 9, 2024 7:35:40 GMT -5
Why didn’t Curran explicitly state how to give to the program? What is the priority?? NIL or the CAF? My guess, Coach Curran did not sit down and pen this letter. Now let me say that the 1843 LLC is a collective that is set up for ALL Holy Cross alumni and fans of both football and mens basketball to give money directly to both programs. 1843 LLC is an independent company with the goal of keeping both of these coaches and teams financially competitive in the world of NIL. For people on this board that keep bringing up title 9 concerns, let it go. In the new world of NIL there are no Title 9 concerns. Just look at Caitlin Clark and all the many other female athletes cashing in on NIL monies. Folks need to stop thinking in the 70’s and 80’s and realize the world we now live in in collegiate athletics. Even at the FCS level. I have no idea if Title IX could apply to how schools allocate NIL money. But, if it did, the fact that Clark got a lot of money at Iowa would not be a defense to a claim/suit that HC is not allocating the money in a gender neutral way. If, hypothetically, HC gave out $2M to football and men’s hoops players and $100K to female athletes, that would not fly if Title IX applies which it may not. If the money is being handled by a private entity and doled out by the private entity, there may not be a claim against HC. There may also be a difference between the NIL that is “let’s get this kid some booster money up front to get him to come to our school or to stay at our school rather than transfer” vs “let’s help our students by setting up this vendor relationship as they try get contracts to use their NIL to advertise for a local business.”
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Post by HC92 on Jun 9, 2024 7:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 9, 2024 8:26:48 GMT -5
Holy Cross school policy does not prohibit a coach from extolling the merits of alums / friends / businesses establishing a collective, with said collective subsequently signing a NIL contract with an athlete. ------------------------------------- Eighteen months ago, Holy Cross signed a contract with MOGL to manage NILs for student athletes and the College. goholycross.com/news/2022/12/19/athletics-holy-cross-selects-mogl-as-its-nil-solution.aspxBolding and Capitalization in the original. Great! Another cost Holy Cross is willing to pay for that will have NO affect on the day to day lives of Coach Curran and Coach Paulsen’s teams. This company, MOGL is NOT set up to financially support our teams. Their goal is to represent a Holy Cross athlete ( for a cost) get deals with local and possibly national companies for their on field success. This service does not help our coaches recruit and keep talented student athletes from being pouched by other schools. Contributing to 1843 LLC will give these coaches a fighting chance. Putting aside HC's contract with MOGL, I have five questions: (1) Has Kit Hughes and/or Nick Smith endorsed and approved the 1843 LLC Corporation's financial relationship with these two coaches? (2) How does the 1843 LLC corporation plan on transferring money to these two coaches? To a coach's personal account? A College account? What are the tax implications if a coach directly receives this money? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (3) How will the coaches exercise fiducial control and record-keeping over these monies? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (4) How does the 1843 LLC Corporation relate to the NIL Club for HC men's basketball? nilclub.com/holy-cross/mens-basketball(5) How will the coaches distribute the 1843 LLC Corporation monies in a manner consistent with this HC policy: "Holy Cross employees and athletics boosters may not compensate Holy Cross student-athletes for NIL usage or facilitate NIL opportunities for Holy Cross student-athletes."
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 9:21:08 GMT -5
My guess, Coach Curran did not sit down and pen this letter. Now let me say that the 1843 LLC is a collective that is set up for ALL Holy Cross alumni and fans of both football and mens basketball to give money directly to both programs. 1843 LLC is an independent company with the goal of keeping both of these coaches and teams financially competitive in the world of NIL. For people on this board that keep bringing up title 9 concerns, let it go. In the new world of NIL there are no Title 9 concerns. Just look at Caitlin Clark and all the many other female athletes cashing in on NIL monies. Folks need to stop thinking in the 70’s and 80’s and realize the world we now live in in collegiate athletics. Even at the FCS level. I have no idea if Title IX could apply to how schools allocate NIL money. But, if it did, the fact that Clark got a lot of money at Iowa would not be a defense to a claim/suit that HC is not allocating the money in a gender neutral way. If, hypothetically, HC gave out $2M to football and men’s hoops players and $100K to female athletes, that would not fly if Title IX applies which it may not. If the money is being handled by a private entity and doled out by the private entity, there may not be a claim against HC. There may also be a difference between the NIL that is “let’s get this kid some booster money up front to get him to come to our school or to stay at our school rather than transfer” vs “let’s help our students by setting up this vendor relationship as they try get contracts to use their NIL to advertise for a local business.” No claim against Holy Cross because to your point 1843 LLC is a private entity.
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 9:27:08 GMT -5
Great! Another cost Holy Cross is willing to pay for that will have NO affect on the day to day lives of Coach Curran and Coach Paulsen’s teams. This company, MOGL is NOT set up to financially support our teams. Their goal is to represent a Holy Cross athlete ( for a cost) get deals with local and possibly national companies for their on field success. This service does not help our coaches recruit and keep talented student athletes from being pouched by other schools. Contributing to 1843 LLC will give these coaches a fighting chance. Putting aside HC's contract with MOGL, I have five questions: (1) Has Kit Hughes and/or Nick Smith endorsed and approved the 1843 LLC Corporation's financial relationship with these two coaches? (2) How does the 1843 LLC corporation plan on transferring money to these two coaches? To a coach's personal account? A College account? What are the tax implications if a coach directly receives this money? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (3) How will the coaches exercise fiducial control and record-keeping over these monies? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (4) How does the 1843 LLC Corporation relate to the NIL Club for HC men's basketball? nilclub.com/holy-cross/mens-basketball(5) How will the coaches distribute the 1843 LLC Corporation monies in a manner consistent with this HC policy: "Holy Cross employees and athletics boosters may not compensate Holy Cross student-athletes for NIL usage or facilitate NIL opportunities for Holy Cross student-athletes." 1843 LLC is a private company does not report to or need approval of the companies intentions from Holy Cross, Kit or Nick.The rest of your questions are none of your business.
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Post by alum on Jun 9, 2024 11:27:42 GMT -5
Putting aside HC's contract with MOGL, I have five questions: (1) Has Kit Hughes and/or Nick Smith endorsed and approved the 1843 LLC Corporation's financial relationship with these two coaches? (2) How does the 1843 LLC corporation plan on transferring money to these two coaches? To a coach's personal account? A College account? What are the tax implications if a coach directly receives this money? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (3) How will the coaches exercise fiducial control and record-keeping over these monies? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (4) How does the 1843 LLC Corporation relate to the NIL Club for HC men's basketball? nilclub.com/holy-cross/mens-basketball(5) How will the coaches distribute the 1843 LLC Corporation monies in a manner consistent with this HC policy: "Holy Cross employees and athletics boosters may not compensate Holy Cross student-athletes for NIL usage or facilitate NIL opportunities for Holy Cross student-athletes." 1843 LLC is a private company does not report to or need approval of the companies intentions from Holy Cross, Kit or Nick.The rest of your questions are none of your business. Kudos to you guys for doing this, but plenty of people who are going to do due diligence before investing are going to want more details. Perhaps those who want more detail can contact you directly? FWIW, I can tell you are working hard at having a wall between “church and state” by looking at your website and seeing the conspicuous lack of photographs of the college or its athletes.🤔
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 11:48:38 GMT -5
1843 LLC is a private company does not report to or need approval of the companies intentions from Holy Cross, Kit or Nick.The rest of your questions are none of your business. Kudos to you guys for doing this, but plenty of people who are going to do due diligence before investing are going to want more details. Perhaps those who want more detail can contact you directly? FWIW, I can tell you are working hard at having a wall between “church and state” by looking at your website and seeing the conspicuous lack of photographs of the college or its athletes.🤔 I agree alum! The college refuses to allow any photos of HC athletes, the Luth Center or Fitton Field. Thus the generic photos we are forced to use on our website. Its been an uphill slog trying to do what’s in the best interest of both of these programs as they ( athletic department) continue to send out donation request to ALL of us as HC alumni.
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 11:57:21 GMT -5
To alumns request pertaining to questions that anyone may have about 1843, please visit our website and at the bottom of the who we are page you will see the names of the owners of 1843 with our phone numbers and email addresses. Feel free to contact one of us for any and all questions. Mark Cannon John Whitey Moynihan Roger Breslin Thanks in advance!
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 9, 2024 14:52:29 GMT -5
I will defer to anyone else who was in the Blaney Gym yesterday as I got in late due to other campus business and was standing in the corner but could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that "The 90-wide program is our NIL program." This after telling about a recruit whose parents were so impressed with what they heard about the program.
However this works out, I expect that the NIL/transfer portal will be a very, very bumpy road for Holy Cross and is just a matter of how long the road will be before we hit smooth pavement again. The only semi-good news is that there are a lot of schools on the same road.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 9, 2024 16:11:44 GMT -5
It could be like a restaurant owner answering a question as to why he doesn't advertise much by saying: "Our award winning chef and gourmet menu is our advertising."
It appears HC is building 90-wide and receptive to NIL at the same time. NIL is new, and being tested so maybe Kit is emphasizing HC is not in control of NIL out of abundance of caution.
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 16:38:43 GMT -5
I will defer to anyone else who was in the Blaney Gym yesterday as I got in late due to other campus business and was standing in the corner but could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that " The 90-wide program is our NIL program." This after telling about a recruit whose parents were so impressed with what they heard about the program. However this works out, I expect that the NIL/transfer portal will be a very, very bumpy road for Holy Cross and is just a matter of how long the road will be before we hit smooth pavement again. The only semi-good news is that there are a lot of schools on the same road. Wrong answer Kit! No kid being offered money before leaving a school is thinking about getting a job through a 90 Wide Internship program. This is the problem. If we have a team full of players waiting for a job through the 90 Wide Program we are going to get our asses kicked on the field because that team has NO Matt Sluka (UNLV), Jalen Coker ( Carolina Panthers), CJ Hanson ( Kansas City Chiefs), Luke Newman ( nil at Michigan state), Eric Schon ( nil at Duke). Does everyone on this board get my drift? If you want a division 3 football program, thats the quickest way to get there.
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 16:42:23 GMT -5
It could be like a restaurant owner answering a question as to why he doesn't advertise much by saying: "Our award winning chef and gourmet menu is our advertising." It appears HC is building 90-wide and receptive to NIL at the same time. NIL is new, and being tested so maybe Kit is emphasizing HC is not in control of NIL out of abundance of caution. Kit DOES NOT control your money coming through the 1843 collective. He does when you give to the CAF.
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Post by football44 on Jun 9, 2024 16:46:03 GMT -5
I will defer to anyone else who was in the Blaney Gym yesterday as I got in late due to other campus business and was standing in the corner but could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that " The 90-wide program is our NIL program." This after telling about a recruit whose parents were so impressed with what they heard about the program. However this works out, I expect that the NIL/transfer portal will be a very, very bumpy road for Holy Cross and is just a matter of how long the road will be before we hit smooth pavement again. The only semi-good news is that there are a lot of schools on the same road. And we should NOT be like lots of other schools. We just won 5 Patriot League football championships. You want to be like Bucknell and Georgetown now? Ok but we at 1843 ain’t tired of winning. Get my drift?
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Post by efg72 on Jun 9, 2024 17:06:25 GMT -5
An old saying that applies to the NIL, CAF, and College Athletics
If we aren’t at the table, we will be on the menu
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Post by timholycross on Jun 9, 2024 18:29:26 GMT -5
An old saying that applies to the NIL, CAF, and College Athletics If we aren’t at the table, we will be on the menu Like Joe Biden's uncle!
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 10, 2024 6:55:20 GMT -5
I will defer to anyone else who was in the Blaney Gym yesterday as I got in late due to other campus business and was standing in the corner but could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that " The 90-wide program is our NIL program." This after telling about a recruit whose parents were so impressed with what they heard about the program. However this works out, I expect that the NIL/transfer portal will be a very, very bumpy road for Holy Cross and is just a matter of how long the road will be before we hit smooth pavement again. The only semi-good news is that there are a lot of schools on the same road. Wrong answer Kit! No kid being offered money before leaving a school is thinking about getting a job through a 90 Wide Internship program. This is the problem. If we have a team full of players waiting for a job through the 90 Wide Program we are going to get our asses kicked on the field because that team has NO Matt Sluka (UNLV), Jalen Coker ( Carolina Panthers), CJ Hanson ( Kansas City Chiefs), Luke Newman ( nil at Michigan state), Eric Schon ( nil at Duke). Does everyone on this board get my drift? If you want a division 3 football program, thats the quickest way to get there. 1. Make sure you fully understand my caveat: " could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that 'The 90-wide program is our NIL program'." It is possible that I misquoted him. I don't think I misheard him but if I did, wouldn't be the first time. Would hope some other attendee chimes in. Guess you weren't there? 2. Believe I am missing your point with your example. Yeah, all those guys might be now getting NILs but POST-grad AFTER Holy Cross graduations. They could have bailed last year for NILs. They didn't. They all valued the Holy Cross degree primarily. 3. Can't speak for anyone else, but pretty sure I get your drift but don't happen to agree. 4. Good for you that you and your colleagues are setting up NILs but from what I am hearing, Dan Curran and Dave Paulsen are looking to recruit players that are coming to Holy Cross primarily for the education that will set them up for success after graduation. If you think this automatically means we slide to a D-3 level program for our biggest sports, while you might be right, I don't see that as a given.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jun 10, 2024 8:14:06 GMT -5
I will defer to anyone else who was in the Blaney Gym yesterday as I got in late due to other campus business and was standing in the corner but could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that " The 90-wide program is our NIL program." This after telling about a recruit whose parents were so impressed with what they heard about the program. However this works out, I expect that the NIL/transfer portal will be a very, very bumpy road for Holy Cross and is just a matter of how long the road will be before we hit smooth pavement again. The only semi-good news is that there are a lot of schools on the same road. And we should NOT be like lots of other schools. We just won 5 Patriot League football championships. You want to be like Bucknell and Georgetown now? Ok but we at 1843 ain’t tired of winning. Get my drift? Love HC dearly. I worked at Georgetown for 3 years and went to 1 single football game: HC at Georgetown in 2014. We were not in our best stretch, and neither was Georgetown. I only went to a single game because if I wanted to watch a team fumble the snap 5 times a game I'd watch my cousin's pop warner football game. (I actually had a friend from Nebraska who I convinced to go to the game who basically echoed my point having watched Huskers games growing up). We should not aspire to be anyone but ourselves. We should aspire to be Patriot League champions and someday, National Champions at the FCS level.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 10, 2024 8:32:51 GMT -5
Putting aside HC's contract with MOGL, I have five questions: (1) Has Kit Hughes and/or Nick Smith endorsed and approved the 1843 LLC Corporation's financial relationship with these two coaches? (2) How does the 1843 LLC corporation plan on transferring money to these two coaches? To a coach's personal account? A College account? What are the tax implications if a coach directly receives this money? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (3) How will the coaches exercise fiducial control and record-keeping over these monies? Has this been discussed with the coaches? (4) How does the 1843 LLC Corporation relate to the NIL Club for HC men's basketball? nilclub.com/holy-cross/mens-basketball(5) How will the coaches distribute the 1843 LLC Corporation monies in a manner consistent with this HC policy: "Holy Cross employees and athletics boosters may not compensate Holy Cross student-athletes for NIL usage or facilitate NIL opportunities for Holy Cross student-athletes." 1843 LLC is a private company does not report to or need approval of the companies intentions from Holy Cross, Kit or Nick.The rest of your questions are none of your business. Some years ago on Crossports, a Croosports poster, who was also a "booster", told of how at a men's basketball game, he had a conversation with a recruit, and the recruit's parents. The poster talked about how great a school Holy Cross was, and how great it would be if their son attended. Knowledgeable posters on the board immediately jumped in, saying his conversation with the parents and recruit was an NCAA recruiting violation. IIRC, Dean W. joined in, and said there was to be no further discussion of posters contacting recruits and their parents. At about the same time, a parent of a prospective recruit joined the board, and began asking questions. Posters replied to this parent. IIRC, Dean W put a stop to that as well. ------------------ The HC compliance officer for NILs is Zach Leach. He is a lawyer, and specializes in Sports Law and Entertainment Law. He collaborated on a book by Ed O'Bannon. O'Bannon was lead plaintiff in O'Bannon v. UCLA. Perhaps the three principals for 1843 LLC have a knowledgeable lawyer advising them, but I think it quite likely that Leach would not agree to a claim that 1843 LLC does not need approval from KH or anyone in HC with regard to 1843 LLC contacts / representations / commitments / and arrangements for a separate funding stream to two HC head coaches, including but not limited to NIL contracts with current or prospective football and basketball athletes.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 10, 2024 8:59:08 GMT -5
Practically speaking, will NIL greatly impact Div III programs(?) Theoretically of course this option is open to all. But in the real world are DivIII schools likely to have to deal with NIL entities?
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Post by football44 on Jun 10, 2024 9:27:50 GMT -5
Wrong answer Kit! No kid being offered money before leaving a school is thinking about getting a job through a 90 Wide Internship program. This is the problem. If we have a team full of players waiting for a job through the 90 Wide Program we are going to get our asses kicked on the field because that team has NO Matt Sluka (UNLV), Jalen Coker ( Carolina Panthers), CJ Hanson ( Kansas City Chiefs), Luke Newman ( nil at Michigan state), Eric Schon ( nil at Duke). Does everyone on this board get my drift? If you want a division 3 football program, thats the quickest way to get there. 1. Make sure you fully understand my caveat: " could have sworn I heard Kit's response to some question that 'The 90-wide program is our NIL program'." It is possible that I misquoted him. I don't think I misheard him but if I did, wouldn't be the first time. Would hope some other attendee chimes in. Guess you weren't there? 2. Believe I am missing your point with your example. Yeah, all those guys might be now getting NILs but POST-grad AFTER Holy Cross graduations. They could have bailed last year for NILs. They didn't. They all valued the Holy Cross degree primarily. 3. Can't speak for anyone else, but pretty sure I get your drift but don't happen to agree. 4. Good for you that you and your colleagues are setting up NILs but from what I am hearing, Dan Curran and Dave Paulsen are looking to recruit players that are coming to Holy Cross primarily for the education that will set them up for success after graduation. If you think this automatically means we slide to a D-3 level program for our biggest sports, while you might be right, I don't see that as a given. Like me, you are entitled to your opinion. Just know that a kid coming to Holy Cross for that great academic experience will be enticed to leave that great academic experience for $$$ if that kid is any good. Leaving Curran and Paulsen with teams made of less talented players who will take the full scholarship and a chance to get a nice internship with the 90 Wide Program. Leaving Richmond, Fordham, Colgate, Lafayette and possibly Villanova to control the Patriot League. Good luck with that situation.
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Post by football44 on Jun 10, 2024 9:34:46 GMT -5
1843 LLC is a private company does not report to or need approval of the companies intentions from Holy Cross, Kit or Nick.The rest of your questions are none of your business. Some years ago on Crossports, a Croosports poster, who was also a "booster", told of how at a men's basketball game, he had a conversation with a recruit, and the recruit's parents. The poster talked about how great a school Holy Cross was, and how great it would be if their son attended. Knowledgeable posters on the board immediately jumped in, saying his conversation with the parents and recruit was an NCAA recruiting violation. IIRC, Dean W. joined in, and said there was to be no further discussion of posters contacting recruits and their parents. At about the same time, a parent of a prospective recruit joined the board, and began asking questions. Posters replied to this parent. IIRC, Dean W put a stop to that as well. ------------------ The HC compliance officer for NILs is Zach Leach. He is a lawyer, and specializes in Sports Law and Entertainment Law. He collaborated on a book by Ed O'Bannon. O'Bannon was lead plaintiff in O'Bannon v. UCLA. Perhaps the three principals for 1843 LLC have a knowledgeable lawyer advising them, but I think it quite likely that Leach would not agree to a claim that 1843 LLC does not need approval from KH or anyone in HC with regard to 1843 LLC contacts / representations / commitments / and arrangements for a separate funding stream to two HC head coaches, including but not limited to NIL contracts with current or prospective football and basketball athletes. You have no clue who we are and what we know! Time will tell what your "expert" Zach Leach knows about the NIL world.
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Post by football44 on Jun 10, 2024 9:40:29 GMT -5
Practically speaking, will NIL greatly impact Div III programs(?) Theoretically of course this option is open to all. But in the real world are DivIII schools likely to have to deal with NIL entities? Division 3 football? . Now that's the spirit let's just quit and play intramural football because we can just play on the freshman field in front of our girlfriends and not have to worry about the NCAA rules regarding NIL.
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