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Post by DiMarz on Jun 26, 2024 19:45:08 GMT -5
I stopped in to today’s practice and took a peak into the Hart Center. No lights on, BUT I could see the new paint job! Yes, the state map isn’t there.. In its place……drum roll……A large shield with HC on it! The floor does not look like it is finished yet. But the painting seems complete…
Practice, a few guys dinged up a bit, nothing serious, and Kirkwood is doing an internship, so he was not there. Gabe Warren was not in the building, twisted an ankle recently, Nugent is dealing with a little tendinitis (he has trimmed down by about 20 lbs!) D Ryan is dealing with an ankle injury, and Hare is still recovering from surgery. None of the injuries are long term..
The freshmen look good, Richard, Green, and transfer Feroah look like triplets! They add a lot of length to the D. Tyler Boston looks strong, well put together… lots of work on D, Caleb looks like he has added a jump shot to his arsenal! And he posterized Feroah on a massive dunk!
No replacement for RJ’s position.
The team looks so much more together than last summer, very few broken plays, and do overs!
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Post by hchoops on Jun 26, 2024 20:38:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Dim Did you see any competition or drills ? Any specific observations about the newbies ?
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 26, 2024 20:38:15 GMT -5
Disappointing that they have put on the logo for Hobart College or was it Haverford College or was it Hamilton College or was it . . . . . ? Non-descript shield with HC.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 26, 2024 20:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by hc1996 on Jun 27, 2024 7:16:43 GMT -5
I stopped in to today’s practice and took a peak into the Hart Center. No lights on, BUT I could see the new paint job! Yes, the state map isn’t there.. In its place……drum roll……A large shield with HC on it! The floor does not look like it is finished yet. But the painting seems complete… Practice, a few guys dinged up a bit, nothing serious, and Kirkwood is doing an internship, so he was not there. Gabe Warren was not in the building, twisted an ankle recently, Nugent is dealing with a little tendinitis (he has trimmed down by about 20 lbs!) D Ryan is dealing with an ankle injury, and Hare is still recovering from surgery. None of the injuries are long term.. The freshmen look good, Richard, Green, and transfer Feroah look like triplets! They add a lot of length to the D. Tyler Boston looks strong, well put together… lots of work on D, Caleb looks like he has added a jump shot to his arsenal! And he posterized Feroah on a massive dunk! No replacement for RJ’s position. The team looks so much more together than last summer, very few broken plays, and do overs! Is it the current shield logo, or are they updating with an entirely new logo??
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 27, 2024 7:32:57 GMT -5
Disappointing that they have put on the logo for Hobart College or was it Haverford College or was it Hamilton College or was it . . . . . ? Non-descript shield with HC. I was hoping they would at least go back to the "Old English" font (with the H and C offset so that it was clear the "H" was first). That sterile HC doesn't do much for me. In NC they wanted to know where they could also get a "Chapel Hill" shirt!
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Post by Tom on Jun 27, 2024 7:54:22 GMT -5
Nugent is dealing with a little tendinitis (he has trimmed down by about 20 lbs!) D Ryan is dealing with an ankle injury, and Hare is still recovering from surgery. None of the injuries are long term.. In general, some guys can look like they have some baby fat for lack of a better term and become leaner. I didn't think of Nugent in that category. Usually guys put on good weight at this point
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 27, 2024 7:57:46 GMT -5
Certainly remember the Sweatshirts & T-Shirts and the mast head of the former newspaper with the Old English font but don't remember seeing an athletics logo with that font. Do you have an example?
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Post by mm67 on Jun 27, 2024 8:48:11 GMT -5
Finally, got rid of the ridiculous brown Mass amoeba. The HC logo at center court is a huge improvement. It is attractive and representative of HC unlike the earlier brown skin mole. One could quibble about the font but the HC on a shield logo is perfect at center court. It makes sense.This is the school's logo repeatedly used in various locations. Good for marketing. Glad to read the team is looking good.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 27, 2024 9:01:38 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree with the opinion of others here.
While I couldn't care less about the Mass map being on the Hart floor or not, I am in total disagreement with the logo shield with the (I repeat myself) "non-descript" "HC" regardless of the font. OK, you've got the color purple but there are lots of schools/teams with "HC" as an abbreviation.
OK, I will shut up on the subject now.
Can we get to the important stuff, like the merits of the Turnpike Trophy and how that has gotten the name out throughout ALL of the Bay State among those who have never heard of Holy Cross?
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Post by trimster on Jun 27, 2024 10:10:19 GMT -5
Disappointing that they have put on the logo for Hobart College or was it Haverford College or was it Hamilton College or was it . . . . . ? Non-descript shield with HC. I was hoping they would at least go back to the "Old English" font (with the H and C offset so that it was clear the "H" was first). That sterile HC doesn't do much for me. In NC they wanted to know where they could also get a "Chapel Hill" shirt! It has never done much for me either. The whole concept of eliminating the mascot/moniker but keeping the name Crusader has been kind of weird.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 27, 2024 10:26:02 GMT -5
sader1970, I know you are a proponent of preserving our institutional history and tradition so I bring this up. Though there was not a shield back in the day, my dad, '50 had a varsity letter in swimming - not sure how because I think it was just a club team back then, but he had one. That Varsity Letter looked almost identical to the current "non-descript" HC. So the new was actually a return to tradition and I, for one, was glad to see them bring it back and replace the block letter HC that was used extensively as seen on an old HC hat below. I agree we could use something in addition to the shield to create a better visual identity ( I know better than to bring up the mascot with you. ) but the shield and & interlocking HC are an improvement the prior version of the interlocking initials.
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Post by crusader1970 on Jun 27, 2024 15:12:53 GMT -5
I stopped in to today’s practice and took a peak into the Hart Center. No lights on, BUT I could see the new paint job! Yes, the state map isn’t there.. In its place……drum roll……A large shield with HC on it! The floor does not look like it is finished yet. But the painting seems complete… Practice, a few guys dinged up a bit, nothing serious, and Kirkwood is doing an internship, so he was not there. Gabe Warren was not in the building, twisted an ankle recently, Nugent is dealing with a little tendinitis (he has trimmed down by about 20 lbs!) D Ryan is dealing with an ankle injury, and Hare is still recovering from surgery. None of the injuries are long term.. The freshmen look good, Richard, Green, and transfer Feroah look like triplets! They add a lot of length to the D. Tyler Boston looks strong, well put together… lots of work on D, Caleb looks like he has added a jump shot to his arsenal! And he posterized Feroah on a massive dunk! No replacement for RJ’s position. The team looks so much more together than last summer, very few broken plays, and do overs! I had the same reaction when I saw their facial pics in their Roster profile.
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 27, 2024 15:17:18 GMT -5
I didn't see him at practice
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 27, 2024 15:31:36 GMT -5
Thanks, Dim Did you see any competition or drills ? Any specific observations about the newbies ? yes, lots of drills. All the newbies are very competitive. If they got beat they were not pleased. All the frosh out there can score it. They all can shoot, and go to the hoop hard. Boston had a hard time scoring against the size of the other 3..All are solid ball handlers. IMHO, all will contribute right away. Green looks for his shot, more so than the others. Feroah (pronounced like Pharoh, )has a very quick first step, and long. Hare has good physical size, not a tall and lean 5.
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 27, 2024 15:32:06 GMT -5
I stopped in to today’s practice and took a peak into the Hart Center. No lights on, BUT I could see the new paint job! Yes, the state map isn’t there.. In its place……drum roll……A large shield with HC on it! The floor does not look like it is finished yet. But the painting seems complete… Practice, a few guys dinged up a bit, nothing serious, and Kirkwood is doing an internship, so he was not there. Gabe Warren was not in the building, twisted an ankle recently, Nugent is dealing with a little tendinitis (he has trimmed down by about 20 lbs!) D Ryan is dealing with an ankle injury, and Hare is still recovering from surgery. None of the injuries are long term.. The freshmen look good, Richard, Green, and transfer Feroah look like triplets! They add a lot of length to the D. Tyler Boston looks strong, well put together… lots of work on D, Caleb looks like he has added a jump shot to his arsenal! And he posterized Feroah on a massive dunk! No replacement for RJ’s position. The team looks so much more together than last summer, very few broken plays, and do overs! Is it the current shield logo, or are they updating with an entirely new logo?? As far as I could see, just a shield with HC in the middle...I don't know if is completely finished...
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 27, 2024 16:00:35 GMT -5
And one last tidbit from Coach. He was going to his office after practice to call some basketball alumni who have not made a donation! Couldn't tell if he was upset or annoyed. Or just in disbelief that he had to make calls like this.....
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Post by football44 on Jun 28, 2024 8:17:01 GMT -5
And one last tidbit from Coach. He was going to his office after practice to call some basketball alumni who have not made a donation! Couldn't tell if he was upset or annoyed. Or just in disbelief that he had to make calls like this..... The next coach to be annoyed and upset will be Coach Curran. This is what happens when a school will not promote their NIL program and instead keeps talking about giving to the CAF and promoting the 90 Wide internship program. Tough to compete when every school that each of these coaches play against are out there promoting their NIL's and getting their alumni and fan base involved financially. They are not offering job opportunities in 4 years after a player graduates. No they are incentivizing their best players and recruits up front. Holy Cross needs to get with the modern day NCAA program or the future will be bleak athletically.
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Post by Tom on Jun 28, 2024 9:41:10 GMT -5
And one last tidbit from Coach. He was going to his office after practice to call some basketball alumni who have not made a donation! Couldn't tell if he was upset or annoyed. Or just in disbelief that he had to make calls like this..... The next coach to be annoyed and upset will be Coach Curran. This is what happens when a school will not promote their NIL program and instead keeps talking about giving to the CAF and promoting the 90 Wide internship program. Tough to compete when every school that each of these coaches play against are out there promoting their NIL's and getting their alumni and fan base involved financially. They are not offering job opportunities in 4 years after a player graduates. No they are incentivizing their best players and recruits up front. Holy Cross needs to get with the modern day NCAA program or the future will be bleak athletically. In this case, I think that Coach Paulsen is not annoyed/upset/in disbelief that hoops alumni are donating to the CAF instead of NIL. More of a case that so few are giving dollars to anything hoops related that he personally has to make calls and twist arms. If, as stated earlier, 18 percent of basketball alumni contribute, I think step 1 is getting more of them to give something. After that you can worry about money going to basketball or football via CAF vs NIL
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Post by trimster on Jun 28, 2024 9:45:18 GMT -5
And one last tidbit from Coach. He was going to his office after practice to call some basketball alumni who have not made a donation! Couldn't tell if he was upset or annoyed. Or just in disbelief that he had to make calls like this..... The next coach to be annoyed and upset will be Coach Curran. This is what happens when a school will not promote their NIL program and instead keeps talking about giving to the CAF and promoting the 90 Wide internship program. Tough to compete when every school that each of these coaches play against are out there promoting their NIL's and getting their alumni and fan base involved financially. They are not offering job opportunities in 4 years after a player graduates. No they are incentivizing their best players and recruits up front. Holy Cross needs to get with the modern day NCAA program or the future will be bleak athletically. My guess is there are many people at HC and among the alumni as well, that don't want to be part of what the NCAA has become, at least not above the level of oh, say the Patriot League. I have been an ardent supporter of HC athletics for many years and truth be told, I don't want HC to become part of the mercenary business which is what I believe high D1 athletics has become. What is going on at that level has no business being on a college campus.
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Post by football44 on Jun 28, 2024 10:15:48 GMT -5
The next coach to be annoyed and upset will be Coach Curran. This is what happens when a school will not promote their NIL program and instead keeps talking about giving to the CAF and promoting the 90 Wide internship program. Tough to compete when every school that each of these coaches play against are out there promoting their NIL's and getting their alumni and fan base involved financially. They are not offering job opportunities in 4 years after a player graduates. No they are incentivizing their best players and recruits up front. Holy Cross needs to get with the modern day NCAA program or the future will be bleak athletically. My guess is there are many people at HC and among the alumni as well, that don't want to be part of what the NCAA has become, at least not above the level of oh, say the Patriot League. I have been an ardent supporter of HC athletics for many years and truth be told, I don't want HC to become part of the mercenary business which is what I believe high D1 athletics has become. What is going on at that level has no business being on a college campus. That is fine then be prepared to watch Division 3 football and basketball. Typical Holy Cross arrogance!! We're so much better than everyone else. "that level has no business being on a college campus". Give me a break!! I'm sure you are still telling yourself that Holy Cross is on par with the Ivies.
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Post by dharry13 on Jun 28, 2024 10:27:27 GMT -5
The next coach to be annoyed and upset will be Coach Curran. This is what happens when a school will not promote their NIL program and instead keeps talking about giving to the CAF and promoting the 90 Wide internship program. Tough to compete when every school that each of these coaches play against are out there promoting their NIL's and getting their alumni and fan base involved financially. They are not offering job opportunities in 4 years after a player graduates. No they are incentivizing their best players and recruits up front. Holy Cross needs to get with the modern day NCAA program or the future will be bleak athletically. My guess is there are many people at HC and among the alumni as well, that don't want to be part of what the NCAA has become, at least not above the level of oh, say the Patriot League. I have been an ardent supporter of HC athletics for many years and truth be told, I don't want HC to become part of the mercenary business which is what I believe high D1 athletics has become. What is going on at that level has no business being on a college campus. What you say may in fact be true. They might not want to be part of what NCAA has become. Frankly I don't blame them. But with that said - you have no chance to compete. You just don't. It's not grey, it's not a maybe. It's a - you won't be able to compete. Because the other schools will - and you'll live in a world where kids with talent won't want to come. And the crux of it all isn't really CAF vs. NIL. The crux of it all is that alums simply aren't donating enough money. And they have that right because it's their hard earned money - but don't expect the product on the field or court to maintain a steady rise as a result. Because that recipe is untenable.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 28, 2024 10:28:39 GMT -5
Respectfully, "arrogance" may not be the correct word. A moral compass, a set of underlying values are more on point for some. Obviously we all love HC and want what is best for the school. We merely disagree. Peace.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 28, 2024 10:53:05 GMT -5
football44 and harry, you guys are right. It appears that if you don't pay, they won't play. At least the basketball performers we'd all want to watch win in the purple and white. I think you absolutely nail the urgency and needs in that respect, and you're putting your money and efforts where your mouths are in that respect. Commendable, truly..
However, I went to Holy Cross. I went for four years. I studied, was in clubs, I played intramural sports, I met new people, I partied, I succeeded, I failed... the whole experience. In many ways, just like the football players or basketball players or any of my other peers. But I didn't get paid to attend (outside of the scholarship, which I believe I earned, and financial aid, which I know I needed). Those players didn't get paid to attend (outside of their scholarships). No student was PAID to go to Holy Cross.
So yeah, from my perspective, there's a tinge of jealousy that now there's a growing and somewhat confrontational group of voices saying WE HAVE TO START PAYING THESE KIDS OR WE WILL LOSE. It's not holier-than-thou. It's not immediately a moral high ground play. It's not for the virtues of amateur athletics, or the values of the Patriot League. It's about money. This isn't the NBA. The kid is in college. But because he happens to have grown to seven feet tall we HAVE TO PAY HIM? I was funnier than that kid. Maybe someone was more handsome. Maybe somebody was a better student. Maybe their parents are wealthy and will make more donations. We don't have to pay those people, do we? Are we setting up NILs for them? But for a hoopster? For a football player we do?
I hate to lose. I've wanted these Holy Cross teams to kick ass for twenty years, and most people still active on this board have wanted it for double (triple?) that amount of time. But is this the final cost? We have to throw money at them like we "HAVE" to throw money at taxes and everything else just to hopefully have a chance? I'm basically fed up. Nobody is yelling and screaming that we HAVE to give me any money. That we HAVE to give it to our ill family members, classmates, the needy, etc. For a kid to play ball? I've gone zero to sixty about hating all this NIL nonsense, for ignorant ball players to get rich and not give two #@*&$~!s about their school, community, larger identity, and be a part of it... just mercenaries separating you from your money. Makes me feel like that they think we're suckers. I'm no sucker.
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Post by dharry13 on Jun 28, 2024 11:04:47 GMT -5
football44 and harry, you guys are right. It appears that if you don't pay, they won't play. At least the basketball performers we'd all want to watch win in the purple and white. I think you absolutely nail the urgency and needs in that respect, and you're putting your money and efforts where your mouths are in that respect. Commendable, truly.. However, I went to Holy Cross. I went for four years. I studied, was in clubs, I played intramural sports, I met new people, I partied, I succeeded, I failed... the whole experience. In many ways, just like the football players or basketball players or any of my other peers. But I didn't get paid to attend (outside of the scholarship, which I believe I earned, and financial aid, which I know I needed). Those players didn't get paid to attend (outside of their scholarships). No student was PAID to go to Holy Cross. So yeah, from my perspective, there's a tinge of jealousy that now there's a growing and somewhat confrontational group of voices saying WE HAVE TO START PAYING THESE KIDS OR WE WILL LOSE. It's not holier-than-thou. It's not immediately a moral high ground play. It's not for the virtues of amateur athletics, or the values of the Patriot League. It's about money. This isn't the NBA. The kid is in college. But because he happens to have grown to seven feet tall we HAVE TO PAY HIM? I was funnier than that kid. Maybe someone was more handsome. Maybe somebody was a better student. Maybe their parents are wealthy and will make more donations. We don't have to pay those people, do we? Are we setting up NILs for them? But for a hoopster? For a football player we do? I hate to lose. I've wanted these Holy Cross teams to kick ass for twenty years, and most people still active on this board have wanted it for double (triple?) that amount of time. But is this the final cost? We have to throw money at them like we "HAVE" to throw money at taxes and everything else just to hopefully have a chance? I'm basically fed up. Nobody is yelling and screaming that we HAVE to give me any money. That we HAVE to give it to our ill family members, classmates, the needy, etc. For a kid to play ball? I've gone zero to sixty about hating all this NIL nonsense, for ignorant ball players to get rich and not give two #@*&$~!s about their school, community, larger identity, and be a part of it... just mercenaries separating you from your money. Makes me feel like that they think we're suckers. I'm no sucker. All of your thoughts on the above are correct. And I agree with many, if not most of them. But to answer you question succinctly - yes we have to have the ability to pay them to keep them from transferring. And then word gets around that HC won't pay. So - as an alumni base we can choose to not donate toward NIL. Everyone absolutely has that right. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. There will be repercussions to that. HC just won't be very good.
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