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Post by efg72 on Jul 7, 2024 17:24:09 GMT -5
x.com/cbkreport/status/1810048453998735718?s=61&t=WfS6kh0SBYsUWgPDrRcEGwThe New Ivies- public and private We are paying for the sins of the past arrogance We should be all in for athletics and academics like all the private schools listed- I believe it was Saint Bernard Clairvaux who said the road to hell was paved with good intentions So lets forget the Ivies, don’t play the ivies, forget players recruited by the ivies, and after 50 years of dillusional thinking do what is best for Holy Cross- wow, that would be refreshing Full funding for Holy Cross athletics, perhaps more for the major sports, CAF dollars that are excluded from the budget, and a modest NIL combined with 90 Wide- and the promote the heck out of what the school offers. #GoCrossGo✝️✝️✝️
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 7, 2024 17:52:23 GMT -5
Texas but no Ohio State? They will hate you in Columbus.
Villanova but no Holy Cross?
Guess this was one person’s opinion. I disagree.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2024 18:09:34 GMT -5
Full funding for the major sports? The five major sports offer the maximum amount of scholarships despite HC's high tuition, which makes that expense cost 3-4 times as much as at a State University.
Can't you see the athletic sweet spot HC is in? In the three major sports the PL offers, during the past five years HC has won outright or parts of eight Patriot League Championships and gone to six NCAA tournaments and one WNIT tournament.
Has any other PL school matched that in those three major sports the league sponsors during the most recent half decade? Our laggard sport, MBB has spent the money to hire a proven PL championship coach and a former national champion at Williams.
Much work to be done to keep improving, especially in minor sports but it's not all doom and gloom out there.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 7, 2024 18:18:01 GMT -5
Texas but no Ohio State? They will hate you in Columbus. Villanova but no Holy Cross? Guess this was one person’s opinion. I disagree. Based on numbers and data- they scream out that by the numbers we are no longer what others or any of us thought we were- are numbers everything, not at all, but they are what we have called hard data BC, Nova, Georgetown, ND have passed us by —-get over it and invest in sports to make a difference. They did and we selected a path of blind faith and arrogance with a former President and Admissions staff, and some of the staff are still around and at best they were clueless and harmful. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2024 18:20:13 GMT -5
Regarding any thought of HC not spending resources to compete or monkeying around with CAF contributions, Holy Cross has hired away two successful D-1 head coaches of long tenure at their current school when signed by HC, Curran and Magarity, and spent the money to get DP who likely required and deserved a higher pay than a career D-1 Assistant coach that many low majors hire.
All this while committing to meet demonstrated financial need of all students, which is enormously expensive at HC's tuition level.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 7, 2024 18:23:48 GMT -5
Regarding any thought of HC not spending resources to compete or monkeying around with CAF contributions, Holy Cross has hired away two successful D-1 head coaches of long tenure at their current school when signed by HC, Curran and Magarity, and spent the money to get DP who likely required and deserved a higher pay than a career D-1 Assistant coach that many low majors hire. All this while committing to meet demonstrated financial need of all students, which is enormously expensive at HC's tuition level. LS Not looking for a rationale of our shortcomings, but solutions for our future success. You are a wise and incredibly loyal contributor, but to successfully move forward we must change and offer real solutions What do we need to be doing in 5-10-15 years to grow the academic reputation of Holy Cross, the growing success of the athletic programs, and the abysmal financial support of former athletes. We have 90 wide and we need an NIL to support the coaches needs |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 7, 2024 18:35:52 GMT -5
Totally agree regarding not only their arrogance, but their hubris as well. Back in 1997, I had a lengthy discussions with several members of the said “Powers to Be”, my impression was less than favorable regarding their leadership in higher education. We can talk in private regarding what transpired. Needless to say, I was not a happy camper.☹️ Vince has a vision that was sadly lacking for over a quarter of a century. The V on the list is for Vanderbilt, not Villanova. Vast discrepancy between Forbes and US News in evaluation. In the latest US News Report on Global Universities, released on June 26, 2024, Stanford was ranked #3, University of Washington was ranked #7, ahead of Yale at #10. BC was ranked at #534. www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankingsThe Forbes ranking is suspect. |
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Post by emhc94 on Jul 7, 2024 18:36:00 GMT -5
Forbes only considered schools with 4,000 or more students for this list so holy cross was never even considered due to size
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2024 18:50:40 GMT -5
Regarding any thought of HC not spending resources to compete or monkeying around with CAF contributions, Holy Cross has hired away two successful D-1 head coaches of long tenure at their current school when signed by HC, Curran and Magarity, and spent the money to get DP who likely required and deserved a higher pay than a career D-1 Assistant coach that many low majors hire. All this while committing to meet demonstrated financial need of all students, which is enormously expensive at HC's tuition level. LS Not looking for a rationale of our shortcomings, but solutions for our future success. You are a wise and incredibly loyal contributor, but to successfully move forward we must change and offer real solutions What do we need to be doing in 5-10-15 years to grow the academic reputation of Holy Cross, the growing success of the athletic programs, and the abysmal financial support of former athletes. We have 90 wide and we need an NIL to support the coaches needs Academic success requires someone (Vince is capable) to truly understand the small liberal arts, undergraduate only category the American Jesuits in their wisdom slotted Holy Cross to be their one entrant in. My thought is to tiptoe into graduate school starting with one high quality program in a field that has high market demand. Artificial Intelligence? A graduate department that upgraded undergraduate AI offerings along with it might be catching the right wave at the right time. |
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Post by hc1996 on Jul 7, 2024 19:14:38 GMT -5
I agree, prior administrations were shortsighted and got taken by the Ivies. I’ve also come to realize that these rankings are highly suspect especially considering many schools worked their numbers so as to gain a higher spot on the USNWR list. I’m sure the same for other lists as well. We’ve also seen a proliferation of these lists over the last few decades….Forbes, WSJ, Niche, Money Magazine…..the list goes on. The only benefit is to the creator(s) of the lists. That said, I’m thinking about creating a list. I’ll select the metrics that I know are most important to everyone else. I’m pretty sure HC will be a top ten school. 😀
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 7, 2024 21:19:15 GMT -5
I would prefer HC offering an undergraduate and graduate degrees in Design, Product Design, Art as well as Architecture. These academic focal points, are aligned with the classical nature of a Liberal Arts Institution.
AI is currently a buzzword and a media darling. AI has been evolving for at least 45 years in data analytics organizations. The essence of today’s Artificial Intelligence is in the field of Neural Networks. In the 1980’s, I worked in an IT Department of a Fortune 100 Company that was heavily invested in the development Neural Networks. These research and development algorithms was used in forecasting and pricing of new products.
Last year I was at a concert and ran into a fellow that the two of us were in the same organization. When the name of a certain former colleague was mentioned, we both said, she was way ahead of her time in the research being conducted in her group.in the development of Neural Networks.
Courses in AI should be provided in collaboration with WPI for HC to best leverage the investment.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2024 21:51:51 GMT -5
Architecture is interesting. I have a possible Dean candidate. He lives in New York, works in the Yankees front office and hangs out with a guy named Jerry. Only kidding, architecture is exacting as well as creative. WPI offers architecture and architectural engineering including a masters. Not a complete barrier.
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Post by jkh67 on Jul 8, 2024 8:36:29 GMT -5
x.com/cbkreport/status/1810048453998735718?s=61&t=WfS6kh0SBYsUWgPDrRcEGwThe New Ivies- public and private We are paying for the sins of the past arrogance We should be all in for athletics and academics like all the private schools listed- I believe it was Saint Bernard Clairvaux who said the road to hell was paved with good intentions So lets forget the Ivies, don’t play the ivies, forget players recruited by the ivies, and after 50 years of dillusional thinking do what is best for Holy Cross- wow, that would be refreshing Full funding for Holy Cross athletics, perhaps more for the major sports, CAF dollars that are excluded from the budget, and a modest NIL combined with 90 Wide- and the promote the heck out of what the school offers. #GoCrossGo✝️✝️✝️ |
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Post by jkh67 on Jul 8, 2024 8:42:19 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand the supposed connection between athletic prowess and academic reputation. For example, three of the claimed private Ivies (Carnegie Mellon, Rice, and Johns-Hopkins) are hardly sports titans (perhaps excluding JHU in lacrosse).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 8, 2024 9:20:52 GMT -5
This Forbes list was previously discussed on Crossports. It's a troll's list. The same publication earlier extolled several universities in the California university system, e.g., Berkeley, but excluded them from the aforementioned list because they were 'test-optional'.
Holy Cross would never make the list because it is strictly undergraduate.
On endowment per student, HC is ranked #82 nationally, just above Johns Hopkins.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 8, 2024 9:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Jul 8, 2024 10:57:36 GMT -5
Alas there are a number of Div. III schools with higher rankings and higher reputation scores than HC. And these schools have lower percentages of acceptance with higher yields. In other words students choose these schools for the education not for their athletic prowess. Is HC permanently stuck on the merry-go-round of more for athletics to access more students. Certainly, HC is not going up any higher in Div. I. Is lower level Div. I HC's unalterable fate? I don't think so. There may be a great culling due to the fact that schools will not be able to afford scholarship athletics. The returns on investment in athletics simply will not cover the costs. I can easily foresee some time after my time when HC & PL schools will move to athletics w/out athletic scholarships. NIL & Transfer will be a minor blip. In other words, Div. III or its equivalent. Will HC be able to build or at least maintain its relatively decent academic standing in this brave new world?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 8, 2024 11:45:46 GMT -5
Alas there are a number of Div. III schools with higher rankings and higher reputation scores than HC. And these schools have lower percentages of acceptance with higher yields. In other words students choose these schools for the education not for their athletic prowess. Or, is HC permanently stuck on the merry-go-round of more for athletics to access more students. Certainly, HC is not going up any higher in Div. I. Is lower level Div. I HC's unalterable fate? I don't think so. There may be a great culling due to the fact that schools will not be able to afford scholarship athletics. The return on investment in athletics simply will not cover the cost. I can easily foresee some time after my time when HC & PL schools will move to athletics w/out athletic scholarships. NIL & Transfer will be a minor blip. scholarship. In other words Div. III or its equivalent. Will HC be able to build or at least maintain its relatively decent academic standing in this brave new world? HC would be at least marginally harmed (but an avalanche can start with a pebble, at HC's tuition price point there isn't a lot of margin for error) by a drop to D-3. What is unknown is how big a factor is D-1 vs D-3 in attracting all our desirable applicants who play non-scholarship sports. Of course scholarship student athletes like Peter Oliver and Jacob Dobbs and their high academic performances would be gone. A big question mark is how we replace student athletes who want to play D-1 with equal or superior applicants in the coming birth dearth, competing against NESCAC schools for these applicants while we offer them play in the NEWMAC with Clark and WPI. I think that is the best D-3 league we can get into. A good league but maybe not as good for HC overall as the much maligned Patriot League. |
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Post by mm67 on Jul 8, 2024 15:12:40 GMT -5
Alas there are a number of Div. III schools with higher rankings and higher reputation scores than HC. And these schools have lower percentages of acceptance with higher yields. In other words students choose these schools for the education not for their athletic prowess. Or, is HC permanently stuck on the merry-go-round of more for athletics to access more students. Certainly, HC is not going up any higher in Div. I. Is lower level Div. I HC's unalterable fate? I don't think so. There may be a great culling due to the fact that schools will not be able to afford scholarship athletics. The return on investment in athletics simply will not cover the cost. I can easily foresee some time after my time when HC & PL schools will move to athletics w/out athletic scholarships. NIL & Transfer will be a minor blip. scholarship. In other words Div. III or its equivalent. Will HC be able to build or at least maintain its relatively decent academic standing in this brave new world? HC would be at least marginally harmed (but an avalanche can start with a pebble, at HC's tuition price point there isn't a lot of margin for error) by a drop to D-3. What is unknown is how big a factor is D-1 vs D-3 in attracting all our desirable applicants who play non-scholarship sports. Of course scholarship student athletes like Peter Oliver and Jacob Dobbs and their high academic performances would be gone. A big question mark is how we replace student athletes who want to play D-1 with equal or superior applicants in the coming birth dearth, competing against NESCAC schools for these applicants while we offer them play in the NEWMAC with Clark and WPI. I think that is the best D-3 league we can get into. A good league but maybe not as good for HC overall as the much maligned Patriot League. FWIW We agree. |
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