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Post by sader1970 on Jul 12, 2024 13:13:09 GMT -5
Effective 8/1/2024.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 12, 2024 17:35:21 GMT -5
We have had three great head coaches go directly from HC to teams currently in FBS. Dr. Eddie Anderson to Iowa, Mark Duffner to Maryland and Bob Chesney to JMU. Almost makes you hope that in five or six years Coach Curran gets an FBS offer he richly deserves and if he feels the time is right, takes it.
Better than losing coaches the other way with buyouts, settlements and regrets.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 12, 2024 18:58:54 GMT -5
I had thought JMU had already transitioned to FBS but on LinkedIn, the JMU president posted the letter of the upcoming effective date . . . . this season will be the first.,
So Bob Chesney will be their first FBS head coach and joined, of course, by a bunch of former Crusaders.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 12, 2024 19:10:17 GMT -5
Today I heard someone in my family suggest
Too bad Holy Cross isn't in the MAC for football and basketball since it is competing and winning those competitions for talent.
I said many of those schools might be equal to or better academically than those in the PL, but it will never happen because of our eastern bias
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 12, 2024 19:40:16 GMT -5
I had thought JMU had already transitioned to FBS but on LinkedIn, the JMU president posted the letter of the upcoming effective date . . . . this season will be the first., So Bob Chesney will be their first FBS head coach and joined, of course, by a bunch of former Crusaders. Yes, they were still transitional last year. They weren't even supposed to be postseason eligible. Only reason they made a bowl game was due to not enough 6-win teams. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 12, 2024 19:41:52 GMT -5
Today I heard someone in my family suggest Too bad Holy Cross isn't in the MAC for football and basketball since it is competing and winning those competitions for talent. I said many of those schools might be equal to or better academically than those in the PL, but it will never happen because of our eastern bias Miami of Ohio is considered a "public Ivy". While not ranked quite as high, it's similar to William & Mary. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 12, 2024 19:50:30 GMT -5
I’m by no means an admissions rate and yield snob, but as a way to quickly scan selectivity, I’m curious the acceptance rate of Miami OH compared to Bill and Mary. My inclination would be W&M is WAYYY lower.
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 12, 2024 20:20:52 GMT -5
Today I heard someone in my family suggest Too bad Holy Cross isn't in the MAC for football and basketball since it is competing and winning those competitions for talent. I said many of those schools might be equal to or better academically than those in the PL, but it will never happen because of our eastern bias Miami of Ohio is considered a "public Ivy". While not ranked quite as high, it's similar to William & Mary. |
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 12, 2024 20:21:39 GMT -5
Miami of Ohio is considered a "public Ivy". While not ranked quite as high, it's similar to William & Mary. STOP STOP STOP. this is nonsense. It’s 85% acceptance rate. Come on guys. Don’t insult my intelligence. This is embarrassing |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 12, 2024 20:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 12, 2024 20:59:15 GMT -5
Here in Kentucky we see ads for Murray State University using the tag line “Kentucky’s Public Ivy” . Its acceptance rate is 87%. It should change the tag line to “We’re more selective than Western Kentucky” which has a 97% acceptance rate……
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 13, 2024 5:25:28 GMT -5
The MAC is a conference of 12 PUBLIC universities. None have an enrollment less than 16,000.
Why on God's green earth would Holy Cross ever join such a conference?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 13, 2024 5:54:07 GMT -5
The MAC is a conference of 12 PUBLIC universities. None have an enrollment less than 16,000. Why on God's green earth would Holy Cross ever join such a conference? Over on the Delaware message board there was a rumbling of support for going to the MAC because it was a better "academic fit" than other FBS conferences. Unfortunately for those fans, the timing was wrong and Conference USA was available and willing. And those same fans bemoaned the fact UMASS was subsequently right time/right place for a MAC bid. Of course this has nothing to do with HC football (unless some still have a dream of going FBS and joining a conference). |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2024 6:37:53 GMT -5
For many of the reasons posted here again and again, I do hope it is no longer the case that folks in any large number want to see HC football go to FBS.
Some seem got follow the "grass is always greener in the neighbor's yard" when it comes to conference affiliation. That "other" is always shown as preferable. I am of the opinion that if HC can help strengthen the PL, then we should do that. IMHO, a good first step would be to field teams in every sport that are competitive on our lower D1 level. A school that is last, or close to it, in the President's Cup standings year after year is not something other conferences want - unless they are looking for a doormat. Once the overall program is established and successful, THEN lets see what opportunities may appear.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 13, 2024 9:09:38 GMT -5
Public Ivy? Let's understand what we are looking at? Public Ivy, Catholic Ivy, Little Ivy and every other kind of Ivy. Soon most schools will have Ivy attached to their names, sort of like a participation trophy. Readers are gearing played.The use of Ivy is merely a marketing ploy dreamt up by some media PR whiz. Great to increase ratings for the media outlet. Also increases the college's applicant pool with a consequent improvement in the highly criticized public ranking journals see USNWR for the most widely read offender. But there are others. Breathless alums can proudly puff up their chests about their "Ivy" alma mater. "Ivy" is great for recruiting as info challenged hs students & their families select an "Ivy" college. "Ivy" is good for the school and most certainly for the media provider. It's bait to get more clicks.
"Ivy" is a win, win, win except it's all BS. I remember in the 'early '60's HC was pronounced Catholic Ivy in Time Magazine (along with GTown & ND). At the time Ivy was used to signify high quality education. But HC is not an Ivy university. HC is a small LAC and not similar in size, style, scope national renown, influence or worldwide reputation as are the eight Ivies. However HC is a fine, high level academic college. "Ivy" as it is used in the media today is a joke.
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Post by hc69 on Jul 13, 2024 9:46:04 GMT -5
As VR noted in several forums at reunion weekend, our acceptance rate for the class of 2028 was 17% and our yield rate was 50%. And that's for all admits, not just early decision. The admissions staff is doing an excellent job of targeting highly qualified students who want to come here. |
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Post by mm67 on Jul 13, 2024 10:55:58 GMT -5
As VR noted in several forums at reunion weekend, our acceptance rate for the class of 2028 was 17% and our yield rate was 50%. And that's for all admits, not just early decision. The admissions staff is doing an excellent job of targeting highly qualified students who want to come here. And, Holy Cross continues to offer a truly exceptional, excellent , top flight ,rigorous wonderful education to its students.. FWIW HC was famous back in the early 20th century for its involved enthusiastic alums who offered our grads opportunities for financial success. In my day an HC degree opened many doors. HC is the real deal. An HC degree was & I expect continues to be the gold standard.. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2024 14:18:49 GMT -5
The MAC is a conference of 12 PUBLIC universities. None have an enrollment less than 16,000. Why on God's green earth would Holy Cross ever join such a conference? Over on the Delaware message board there was a rumbling of support for going to the MAC because it was a better "academic fit" than other FBS conferences. Unfortunately for those fans, the timing was wrong and Conference USA was available and willing. And those same fans bemoaned the fact UMASS was subsequently right time/right place for a MAC bid. Of course this has nothing to do with HC football (unless some still have a dream of going FBS and joining a conference). Good luck to Delaware escaping the UMass/UConn jinx as they embark on their FBS journey. Helping them is JMU's early transitional success which may mean this is not your father's FBS. Hurting them is Delaware and UMass were both high level CAA teams upon their departure of FCS and this is also not your father's CAA. My memory indicates UConn was not as successful as the other two when they moved up, but actually had a little success in their early FBS years. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2024 14:30:56 GMT -5
Public Ivy? Let's understand what we are looking at? Public Ivy, Catholic Ivy, Little Ivy and every other kind of Ivy. Soon most schools will have Ivy attached to their names, sort of like a participation trophy. Readers are gearing played.The use of Ivy is merely a marketing ploy dreamt up by some media PR whiz. Great to increase ratings for the media outlet. Also increases the college's applicant pool with a consequent improvement in the highly criticized public ranking journals see USNWR for the most widely read offender. But there are others. Breathless alums can proudly puff up their chests about their "Ivy" alma mater. "Ivy" is great for recruiting as info challenged hs students & their families select an "Ivy" college. "Ivy" is good for the school and most certainly for the media provider. It's bait to get more clicks. "Ivy" is a win, win, win except it's all BS. I remember in the 'early '60's HC was pronounced Catholic Ivy in Time Magazine (along with GTown & ND). At the time Ivy was used to signify high quality education. But HC is not an Ivy university. HC is a small LAC and not similar in size, style, scope national renown, influence or worldwide reputation as are the eight Ivies. However HC is a fine, high level academic college. "Ivy" as it is used in the media today is a joke. One grandmother to another at the senior center, "Remember my little Johnny who dropped the candles on the alter and burned the church down? He's going to a Public IVY!"🙂 |
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Post by steve81 on Jul 14, 2024 15:44:48 GMT -5
The MAC is a conference of 12 PUBLIC universities. None have an enrollment less than 16,000. Why on God's green earth would Holy Cross ever join such a conference? Ah, have always like Holy Cross and Fitton is a MAC size stadium minus amenities, parking and major tail gate areas. HC is not a public university and the MAC prides itself in be homogenous conference. North Dakota State with a enrollment of 11k is in the discussion, R1 along with a more right sized Illinois State, which is slated to add several new schools with R1 potential. We finally are going all in MAC and yes would have been a great rivalry with football. basketball and other sports. Being in the Northeast really only lends itself to the MAC as a G5 conference. Kick a$$ in the Patriot and best of luck. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 14, 2024 15:58:53 GMT -5
If PL adds Villanova in addition to Richmond, plus heading to 63 scholis, non medical RS and continued roster flexibility, it can be the best FCS football conference East of the Mississippi by 2027.
It should be possible to pass the brewing fractures in the CAA and So Con to rival the MVC in the Midwest and Big Sky in the West.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 15, 2024 14:00:59 GMT -5
Over on the Delaware message board there was a rumbling of support for going to the MAC because it was a better "academic fit" than other FBS conferences. Unfortunately for those fans, the timing was wrong and Conference USA was available and willing. And those same fans bemoaned the fact UMASS was subsequently right time/right place for a MAC bid. Of course this has nothing to do with HC football (unless some still have a dream of going FBS and joining a conference). Good luck to Delaware escaping the UMass/UConn jinx as they embark on their FBS journey. Helping them is JMU's early transitional success which may mean this is not your father's FBS. Hurting them is Delaware and UMass were both high level CAA teams upon their departure of FCS and this is also not your father's CAA. My memory indicates UConn was not as successful as the other two when they moved up, but actually had a little success in their early FBS years.UConn took their expected lumps in their first two or three years in FBS and then turned the corner big during the back half of either their 3rd or 4th season. I remember them shutting out Navy 38-0 in mid-November and I think putting up a 60-burger against one of the directional Michigan MAC teams -- I think that was 2002 and they finished 6-6 IIRC. That of course was back when 6 wins didn't earn you a bowl game automatically like it does today. QB was an up-and-coming Dan Orlovsky. And then more often than not UConn football was pretty good through their Fiesta Bowl appearance in 2009 or 2010. Then the wheels fell off. UMass has been trash their entire time in FBS, including some of the worst defenses in the history of major college football. They actually fell off a bit their last 4 or 5 years in FCS before moving up. The UMass team that beat us under the lights in 2011 wasn't that good, an average CAA team probably. Their last GREAT team was their 2007 squad that we played to a tough 40-30 game in the road opener in Amherst. Down 37-9 early in the third, Dom Randolph and his fantastic O Line and veteran WR group led us to within 37-30 with the ball at one point late in the game. That UMass team was defending national runner-up and would go onto the quarterfinals losing to Delaware. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 15, 2024 14:20:10 GMT -5
The 2008 heart breaker - last second FG (45-42) was also a remarkable game. UMASS came in #4 in FCS. I still vividly remember Brett McDermott’s KO return TD.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 15, 2024 17:49:09 GMT -5
The 2008 heart breaker - last second FG (45-42) was also a remarkable game. UMASS came in #4 in FCS. I still vividly remember Brett McDermott’s KO return TD. Definitely a heart breaker. Was home opener, biggest/most marquee and most local opponent of the season AND Fall Homecoming. That UMass team was good but faded down the stretch. A late-season loss to Maine killed their playoff chances and I think they finished 7-5. Victor Cruz had a couple TDs that game. Minutemen also had an NFL prospect at CB, forget his name (Springs?) as well as Vladimir Ducasse at RT who would go on to be a Jets draft bust a couple years later. Armando Cuko was the K who nailed the game winner -- had he missed, that game goes to OT. He was the older brother of HC walk-on K Llazar Cuko who I don't think ever saw varsity game action. |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 16, 2024 7:19:27 GMT -5
Wow- didn't realize that the 2008 team's 4 losses were by a combined 8 points (2 by 3, one in OT, two by one). Lot of bad luck in the Gilmore era.
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