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Post by purplehaze on Jul 24, 2024 15:31:35 GMT -5
Ross Dillinger from ‘on3’ is reporting that the NCAA is about to roll out a proposal to permit increases in D.1 scholarships.
This is absolutely getting crazy at the highest levels of Power Conference sports - here you go
Football 105 (+20)
Basketball 15 (+2)
Baseball 34 (+22.3)
Softball 25 (+13)
Volleyball 18 (+6)
on3.com/news/ncaa-appr…
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2024 18:11:08 GMT -5
With the serious chance of having to pay athletes, why would schools want to do this ?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2024 18:20:15 GMT -5
Just read the details
These are roster, not scholarship, limits.
Scholarships will be left to each school’s decision,
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 24, 2024 19:24:55 GMT -5
Confusing—-not sure these are roster limits, e.g. no way baseball had a limit so low and no way to have 7/10s or 3/10ths of a player
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2024 19:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 24, 2024 20:37:09 GMT -5
The monster state schools will be giving many more scholarships than they are now, there is no question about that
Schools like BC cannot be happy about this development - there will be uneven scholarship numbers across rosters playing in the same conference. What a mess
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 24, 2024 21:06:10 GMT -5
Good point. The higher the tuition the more expensive each scholarship becomes. Stacking partial athletic scholarships with other aid is probably an area that astute private colleges can gain a small advantage in. We need well prepared presenters to educate families how a partial scholarship to HC could be a better investment than a full scholarship to State U.
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Post by Tom on Jul 25, 2024 8:07:08 GMT -5
Confusing—-not sure these are roster limits, e.g. no way baseball had a limit so low and no way to have 7/10s or 3/10ths of a player I think the number on the left is current. HC's basketball roster for next year is 15 (with 13 scholarships). Last year baseball had 34 kids on the roster. Sounds like the proposal is to add the number in parenthesis Specifically, hoops could have 17 instead of 15 and baseball can jump from 34 to 56.3 - Both numbers seem unwieldy to me, Takes a certain person to be a happy benchwarmer never to see the light of day - There's a rumor that Coach Kahovec has already sent a recruiting letter to Eddie Gaedel's great grandson to use up that 0.3 roster spot |
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Post by efg72 on Jul 25, 2024 9:16:38 GMT -5
Can someone explain why we say scholarships cost the school money- I get the cost of room and board, but not tuition.
I understand the actual costs associated with room and board expenses, but I want to know how free tuition is a cost when it means a few extra seats per class and has minimal or no impact on increasing the size and cost of faculty and staff. If non-scholarship students fill those seats, many on financial aid, the school loses X dollars in possible revenue, which is not an expenditure.
I know I must be missing something here.
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Post by Tom on Jul 25, 2024 9:51:47 GMT -5
Can someone explain why we say scholarships cost the school money- I get the cost of room and board, but not tuition. I understand the actual costs associated with room and board expenses, but I want to know how free tuition is a cost when it means a few extra seats per class and has minimal or no impact on increasing the size and cost of faculty and staff. If non-scholarship students fill those seats, many on financial aid, the school loses X dollars in possible revenue, which is not an expenditure. I know I must be missing something here. I think it depends whom you are talking to. If you're talking to your banker who is looking at your bank balance, I agree. You're basically talking about food and the official team gear the kids get. HC will not write an $80,000 check when Max Green walks on campus However, these conversations are always with accountants that need to put the expenses into little bundles. The scholarship athlete has to pick up their share of the utilities of that dorm, never mind the service of the debt for building all those new dorms. In some level of moving money from one pocket to the other, Athletics somehow has to pay academics for the service rendered, even if that money doesn't actually leave College Hill. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 25, 2024 9:56:25 GMT -5
A school can accommodate only so many students. If you add a scholarship athlete you are essentially replacing a tuition paying student. I'm not saying that you are replacing a full-tuition payer; for forecasting purposes I'd use what the average is for all non-athletic scholarship students,
Note-- I was answering efg's post. Tom is a faster typist than I.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 25, 2024 10:15:06 GMT -5
But that is lost revenue that we may or may not see depending on admissions
Call me crazy but while you could attach those $$$ to scholarship athletes depending on how you look at the situation it might not be a true cost.
i think within reason we could add scholarship athletes, band members etc for minimal cost to the school- but your revenue stream might suffer
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 25, 2024 11:45:21 GMT -5
A school can accommodate only so many students. If you add a scholarship athlete you are essentially replacing a tuition paying student. I'm not saying that you are replacing a full-tuition payer; for forecasting purposes I'd use what the average is for all non-athletic scholarship students, For many state schools, there is literally no capacity on adding students to cover scholarships. The University of Central Florida now has 59,548 undergraduates. With the exception of those private schools with a hard enrollment cap, most schools could begrudgingly add enrollment is need be. If Colgate needed to go from 3,206 to 3,250, they could. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 25, 2024 13:15:07 GMT -5
The professor to student ratio is effected by each additional student. We have other threads bemoaning HC's drop in the national liberal arts category rankings. Low professor to student ratios are a calling card of many of our competitors. Sure you can add more professors but that takes revenue and you don't receive any revenue when you award a full scholarship. Unless it's to a Sluka type who puts fannies in the seats, of course.
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Post by hc69 on Jul 26, 2024 12:28:35 GMT -5
Let's assume a college has a full COA of $90K. It's a small college, so small that it only has two students: X and Y. X is a non-scholarship athlete, Y is not an athlete. Both are receiving $60K of need based aid. The college decides it's going to increase its athletics scholarships and give X a full ride. There are only two ways to fund that additional $30K for X: (1) Find an extra $30K and keep Y's aid at $60K. That increases cost by $30K. (2) Take $30K away from Y. There is no increase in cost but the college has reduced need based aid by $30K and increased non-need based aid by $30K. And Y is paying for the athletics part of X's full ride.
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