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Post by HC92 on Jul 24, 2024 19:44:00 GMT -5
Seeing lots of reports of forced triples and quads in the hill dorms for incoming freshmen. Is this another particularly large class? People paying $80K plus might not love the idea of their kid being jammed into an already antiquated room to start their college career.
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Post by alum on Jul 25, 2024 5:52:31 GMT -5
Yield higher than expected? Should have accepted fewer students? Trying to squeeze a few extra bucks out of this class?
92–If I am recalling correctly, the study rooms in the hill dorms are big windowed high ceiling spaces not amenable to converting to housing. Are they adding kids to regular 2 person rooms? That would be rough.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 25, 2024 7:54:09 GMT -5
Yield higher than expected? Should have accepted fewer students? Trying to squeeze a few extra bucks out of this class? 92–If I am recalling correctly, the study rooms in the hill dorms are big windowed high ceiling spaces not amenable to converting to housing. Are they adding kids to regular 2 person rooms? That would be rough. That's been going on for years -- "forced triple." |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2024 8:01:57 GMT -5
I guess I would be very surprised, shocked even, to find out they are having forced triples and (gasp) quads.
That was the point of the new twin dorms "The Pak" and "The Jimmy" as well as the conversion of the old Jesuit residence . . . . plus the places they set up in downtown Worcester. That plus they made a very conscious effort not to make the same mistake they made in '92's son's incoming year by accepting too many.
All that said, I have not touch base with my sources, so maybe it is all true.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 25, 2024 8:02:30 GMT -5
This year’s yield at 50 pct is unprecedented - that has to be the major reason for this squeeze - does HC still have access to some downtown Worcester housing ?
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Post by alum on Jul 25, 2024 8:16:40 GMT -5
Yield higher than expected? Should have accepted fewer students? Trying to squeeze a few extra bucks out of this class? 92–If I am recalling correctly, the study rooms in the hill dorms are big windowed high ceiling spaces not amenable to converting to housing. Are they adding kids to regular 2 person rooms? That would be rough. That's been going on for years -- "forced triple." I think that they should offer to let sophs and up live in an "optional triple" for a 50% reduction in the room cost before they do this to first years. |
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Post by dadominate on Jul 25, 2024 8:30:38 GMT -5
i was in a forced triple in wheeler first semester of freshman year in 95. as fun as wheeler was back then, it was pretty ridiculous in retrospect and one of just a few i knew of that year. fortunately, another room was found and one of us left.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 25, 2024 9:04:49 GMT -5
i was in a forced triple in wheeler first semester of freshman year in 95. as fun as wheeler was back then, it was pretty ridiculous in retrospect and one of just a few i knew of that year. fortunately, another room was found and one of us left. I was in a triple as well in 63 - right next to the staircase on Wheeler 3 and one door down from the prefects' room. No big deal.  We did get a small reduction in tuition...very small. The bunk bed was, IIRC, navy surplus. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2024 9:15:36 GMT -5
I and 2 buddies volunteered for a triple senior year. After first semester, they both had local girlfriends and decided to move to an off-campus dump of an apartment. They offered me to go with them which I declined. So, I had a single for 2-3 months and then they sent a freshman (!!!) to "ask" if I would take him in for the remainder of the year. He said that he had an argument with his roommate and the powers in housing told him to ask me if he could room with me. Fearing HC was going to jack my R&B rate up, I said yes. To this day, I don't remember the kid's name (maybe one of you guys!!  ). I always thought that the real reason was the kid wanted a great room for the next year as I was on Healy II, as close as you could get to the then 2 year old, spanking new, Hogan campus center. Recall that the rules on housing was that for the following year, you had squatters' rights on your current room. No freshman heading to sophomore year could have gotten that room without those squatter rights. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jul 25, 2024 12:54:28 GMT -5
I was GOING to be in a forced triple in my freshman year. When I had received zero word on where I'd live, who my roommate was, and other relevant housing details with only two weeks to go before my orientation, I called the school. Apparently, my last name was too long and it fell out of the system they used to enter folks' names into the housing assignment system. So because it didn't fit, I simply was never assigned and didn't have a dorm room. I of course politely told them that, for what I would be paying, that's completely unacceptable. My options were to go to a forced triple, or to select sub-free housing on Mulledy 4 next to freshman members of the basketball and football teams, as well as buddies that I kept all four years at HC and beyond. Lesson reinforced: always follow up with a phone call!
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Post by HC92 on Jul 25, 2024 13:48:57 GMT -5
Definitely plenty of forced triples this year and a few forced quads (in Brooks) in rooms that are bigger than a double but definitely not great for 4 people, 4 desks and 4 dressers. Pretty sure recruited athletes are immune from forced tripling and there are no housing discounts offered for those in a forced triple.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 25, 2024 13:53:27 GMT -5
Definitely plenty of forced triples this year and a few forced quads (in Brooks) in rooms that are bigger than a double but definitely not great for 4 people, 4 desks and 4 dressers. Pretty sure recruited athletes are immune from forced tripling and there are no housing discounts offered for those in a forced triple. This is pretty bad, IMO. |
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Post by hcpride on Jul 25, 2024 15:48:45 GMT -5
Definitely plenty of forced triples this year and a few forced quads (in Brooks) in rooms that are bigger than a double but definitely not great for 4 people, 4 desks and 4 dressers. Pretty sure recruited athletes are immune from forced tripling and there are no housing discounts offered for those in a forced triple. If this is indeed the case (numerous forced triples) I’m sure Prez Rougeau will be asking some pretty hard questions of the admissions staff. That’s twice in three years they’ve blown it. (The admissions staff doesn’t need to be perfect…just within reason and use the WL to fill the dorms if necessary.) (Unless I’m wrong, the kids have essentially passed up all their other college options before they hear they are being force-tripled. Awful. ) |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 25, 2024 19:31:12 GMT -5
If the class of 2028 has 850 enrolling students, that is probably 2-3 percent over target. That should not equate with 'lots of triples, even quads' for the class of 2028.
Ciampi conversion and the new townhouses (about 220 beds) are slightly more beds than the number of beds in an existing Easy St. dorm (180-200 beds). My guess is the number of students who lived off-campus at The Edge was never more than a hundred.
What else might cause this 'reported' overcrowding?
>Lower than anticipated transfers-out in the classes of 2026 and 2027.
>Fewer students studying abroad or taking a semester in NYC or DC.
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Post by alum on Jul 25, 2024 20:21:49 GMT -5
If the class of 2028 has 850 enrolling students, that is probably 2-3 percent over target. That should not equate with 'lots of triples, even quads' for the class of 2028. Ciampi conversion and the new townhouses (about 220 beds) are slightly more beds than the number of beds in an existing Easy St. dorm (180-200 beds). My guess is the number of students who lived off-campus at The Edge was never more than a hundred. What else might cause this 'reported' overcrowding? >Lower than anticipated transfers-out in the classes of 2026 and 2027. >Fewer students studying abroad or taking a semester in NYC or DC. Lot of “ifs” here, but 3% of 850 is about 25 kids. If they were all going into triples, that means 75 kids are in triples. Whether that is “a lot” can be debated, but for today’s college student who probably never shared a room, it would be a bit of a shock. (I shared a room with two brothers growing up, so HC seemed spacious at two to a room with my own closet, dresser, and desk.) |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 26, 2024 7:25:09 GMT -5
Perhaps some upperclassmen who lived off campus last year decided they wanted to move back to a dorm?
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2024 7:36:20 GMT -5
I probably have more questions than answers
1. Primarily, of course, is why?
2. How do they decide which incoming students get forced into a triple or quad? Can we assume the full pay students DON'T get a triple?
3. I would assume/hope that they use as few triples as possible (unless they are voluntary) to avoid ANY quads.
4. When the kids and their families are having their campus visits, is the possibility of a non-duet dorm room discussed as a possibility?
5. What, if any, R&B discount goes to the triplets? I know back in '69-'70 I got something off. Can't remember how much but that was a factor in my doing it. Might have been as much as $250-$500 for the year and before you young guys sniff at that, the entire cost was under $3,000 for tuition, room & board.
6. Are they still offering private/single rooms for the well-to-do kids who don't want to share anything and value their privacy? If so, is this a factor on triplets?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 26, 2024 7:41:46 GMT -5
I was unaware that students could get a single room- very surprising to me.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2024 8:17:02 GMT -5
I was unaware that students could get a single room- very surprising to me. Yeah, not counting me . . . . twice!!   My agreed upon roommate sophomore year showed up early to tell me that he was only there to pick up his transcript as he was transferring to UPenn. He didn't bother to tell me over the summer. It took awhile before housing got me a roommate. A certain offensive lineman who shall remain nameless (but was expected to play in the NFL before hepatitis; injuring his neck; graduating in '71) showed up about 11:00 PM and said housing asked him to see if I would be willing to have him as a roommate. He "led the witness" and said "you know, they can't FORCE us and, if you don't want to, that's fine with me." I took the hint and said "if you don't want to, I'm OK with with a private room." I got a big thumbs up from him. A few weeks later, I got another offer that I felt I couldn't refuse. A regular guy and no problems. Senior year, you've already seen that story. But, yes, at least years ago, one could pay extra for a private room . . . . allegedly, as I never knew anyone who took up the opportunity. Then again, I didn't have any rich friends except the guy who transferred to UPenn whose father was a Philippine senator, friend to Ferdinand Marcos and owner of a HUGE plantation. (Maybe he got a private room at UPenn? ). |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 26, 2024 8:21:13 GMT -5
2. How do they decide which incoming students get forced into a triple or quad? Can we assume the full pay students DON'T get a triple?
You can definitely not assume that.
5. What, if any, R&B discount goes to the triplets?
None. As of two years ago, they would allegedly give you higher priority in the lottery for your sophomore year.
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Post by Tom on Jul 26, 2024 12:48:51 GMT -5
2. How do they decide which incoming students get forced into a triple or quad? Can we assume the full pay students DON'T get a triple? You can definitely not assume that. 5. What, if any, R&B discount goes to the triplets? None. As of two years ago, they would allegedly give you higher priority in the lottery for your sophomore year. In terms of preferential treatment based on ability to pay . . . Kind of just the opposite because they were going to school for free, but might be someone you would expect to get preferential treatment: Some years ago, a basketball player who was part of a freshmen class of 6 told me that they were in two triples. |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 26, 2024 14:14:27 GMT -5
For those interested in this fascinating topic, I looked at the posts in the Facebook group and came up with the following. No idea how representative that group is so do what you want with the info. There were maybe 60-70 parents total who said where there kids were living and whether double, forced triple or forced quad. When parents identified their kids as being roommates, I only counted those rooms once but also show the number of impacted students across the sample. Hanselman triples were all males. Clark triples were all females. Brooks triples and quads were 50/50. One of the triples in Brooks is baseball players according to the mom so I guess athletes are not immune from tripling.
Hanselman triples (3 rooms and 4 students)
Clark triples (4 rooms and 4 students)
Brooks triples (11 rooms and 12 students)
Brooks quads (4 rooms and 5 students)
So, if these were all the triples and quads and there were no duplicates I missed, 70 students would be in a forced triple or quad. I imagine the number is higher than that given the small sample size. How much higher I have no idea. Even if there were 75 parents in my sample with 25 in a forced triple or quad, that’s 1/3 of the students.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jul 26, 2024 14:46:24 GMT -5
That number seems higher than anything I've ever heard of. In my time anyway, among freshman, forced triples were a rare event. I think I knew of one total in Mulledy on the first floor.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 26, 2024 18:29:25 GMT -5
I probably have more questions than answers 1. Primarily, of course, is why? 2. How do they decide which incoming students get forced into a triple or quad? Can we assume the full pay students DON'T get a triple? 3. I would assume/hope that they use as few triples as possible (unless they are voluntary) to avoid ANY quads. 4. When the kids and their families are having their campus visits, is the possibility of a non-duet dorm room discussed as a possibility? 5. What, if any, R&B discount goes to the triplets? I know back in '69-'70 I got something off. Can't remember how much but that was a factor in my doing it. Might have been as much as $250-$500 for the year and before you young guys sniff at that, the entire cost was under $3,000 for tuition, room & board. 6. Are they still offering private/single rooms for the well-to-do kids who don't want to share anything and value their privacy? If so, is this a factor on triplets? That was my freshman year- they opened up Campion as a residence (is the building still there?) and, either that year or the year after, Fenwick 4. Plus, I think, there were some off campus places too (Hojo's?) .
The class was either 670 or 770, in either case, it was the largest incoming class evah at the time.
Don't remember any triples except perhaps one on each floor in the Easy Street dorms, but those were coveted.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 26, 2024 19:18:38 GMT -5
I’m a classmate of Tim and in Sep ‘69 they told me I had to find off campus housing because of the size of the class (770). They gave us numbers of landlords in the area - we had 6 frosh in my house with two in a bunk bed in the kitchen … and then hepatitis- what a start !
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