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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 5, 2018 8:27:35 GMT -5
Army
Bucknell (I think G-Town will win, and will be our toughest game remaining, but need to be contrarian in one pick to move up in the standings).
Colgate
Holy Cross Crusaders
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 2, 2018 15:38:46 GMT -5
mm67 - you may be missing a major point. While we here all know that HC is a wonderful high level academic institution, it is not viewed as favorably as it once was (down to 84th in latest USNWR rankings), which, downfall can be paralleled with the general loss of national reputation of HC in the big sports era (last 30 years). Colgate, on the other hand, has continually increased in the rankings during this period. It may be a pretty weak correlation, even a post hoc fallacy, but playing larger schools earlier and more often has certainly coincided with the increased rankings of Colgate. BC is an example of a relatively regional destination for most of its existence until football put it on the national radar in the early 80's. The Flutie bump caused an increase in applications and accordingly, a more selective admissions process. On a scale of 1-10 from a reputation standpoint (in a completely arbitrary and concocted system of my own devise) - I would say BC started from 4 (1940-1980) and got to 8 (1980+). We started from 7 (1920-1991), went down to 2, and now have to get to 6. The fastest way back is through sports. On your latter point: I've said for years that the Chestnut Hill school should have been renamed "Flutie University" about thirty years ago. Given the fact that they didn't rename it "Giles Mosher University" after BayBank essentially choreographed the financial resurrection of the school, I knew the Flutie thing wouldn't happen.
As to the former point, and that which has evolved in this thread: A highly-recognized and equally highly-respected member of the HC athletic department of many years ago, who was not a fan of the football program, readily acknowledged that there is no better way to get thousands of alumni on the campus (even multiple times per year) than to have a successful football program. Think of Fitton Field when Mark Duffner had the program running on all cylinders - the place was banged-out! While I believe that we should "play up" as a means of generating exposure and enticing recruits, I don't think playing Penn State is the answer. How 'bout we step it down a bit? How about playing Rice? Northwestern? Wake Forest? Or how about a Miami (Ohio) or how about a religious war with either TCU or SMU? If we don't get a big check, so be it. We'll have taken the brand to a different area of the country, provided the players a somewhat bigger stage, and maybe even posted a somewhat marquee "W'".
Excellent points. We should seek to play FBS programs in the South, TX and/or CA to the extent feasible and monetarily beneficial. Wake Forest is an great choice. I think a RIce game would be good solely for purposes of getting exposure in TX. A game in Florida would be great for recruiting exposure, but finding the right fit may be difficult. FAU or FIU would be the obvious choices, but not as sexy and economically attractive as a 2021 game against Miami marking the 75th anniversary of the Orange Bowl Match Up. As an aside in re competitiveness, if we had a top level QB right now, we could hang 24 points on FSU. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 2, 2018 13:31:05 GMT -5
mm67 - you may be missing a major point. While we here all know that HC is a wonderful high level academic institution, it is not viewed as favorably as it once was (down to 84th in latest USNWR rankings), which, downfall can be paralleled with the general loss of national reputation of HC in the big sports era (last 30 years). Colgate, on the other hand, has continually increased in the rankings during this period. It may be a pretty weak correlation, even a post hoc fallacy, but playing larger schools earlier and more often has certainly coincided with the increased rankings of Colgate. BC is an example of a relatively regional destination for most of its existence until football put it on the national radar in the early 80's. The Flutie bump caused an increase in applications and accordingly, a more selective admissions process. On a scale of 1-10 from a reputation standpoint (in a completely arbitrary and concocted system of my own devise) - I would say BC started from 4 (1940-1980) and got to 8 (1980+). We started from 7 (1920-1991), went down to 2, and now have to get to 6. The fastest way back is through sports.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 2, 2018 8:17:53 GMT -5
I say play Penn State or any other power 5 school that gives us more exposure, provides a payday, and gives players and alums the chance to be in these stadiums. We'll never be great in the PL, CAA or any other FCS conference, if we are AFRAID to mix it up with the big programs, regardless of the outcome. A recruit that is picking between PL and Ivy is more likely to pick a PL school that plays large FBS schools than if PL teams did not. interesting concept to mix it up with the big programs, "regardless of the outcome" so you agree that the chances of HC winning or even being competitive v a large FBS school are slim and none. we just come for the ambience, show that we do not really belong and go home with a smile and some money. now that is truly sad. btw, we will be great if we are not AFRAID to play competitive hard nose football. imho, that will attract recruits or, at least, the ones that we want to attract. we can take pride in Crusader football if we just give our players and coaches the chance to play and win. I don't agree re slim or none. There is no reason why we cannot play some of these games and be competitive (at some point in the future). We were competitive against UConn - I know they stink. We caught BC on an up year. The score would not have been as lopsided if we played BC's team from a few years ago and if we had a solid QB. Colgate was tied with Cuse after the first quarter a few years ago (before new recruiting full roster population?) and ended up losing by 20-odd points. Once we populate the roster with better recruits top to bottom, we will be more competitive. The goals of the program should be: 1. to win the league, 2. advance in the playoffs and 3. seek a national championship. The way to accomplish those goals includes, necessarily, the scheduling of FBS games. Simply, we don't accomplish those goals without same. The scheduling of these games attracts recruits, and better recruiting = better team depth. The program does not get better by only playing regional I-AA teams. The program does not get national exposure playing those same games, or even playing the I-AA programs with the type of success we would like to emulate, e.g. some CAA teams. FACT - We get more exposure by playing FBS teams. The college football landscape is vastly different from when you stepped on campus in the 60's or when I did in the 90's. All focus has been shifted to the P5. In my day, most recruits' (at least the recruits from big football areas) first priority was to play for the highest division they could. I imagine that desire is magnified to the conference level with the increased focus on the P5. HC has a product to sell. We need to distinguish our product from those programs we are recruiting against. We can offer a top notch education, and the ability to play P5 schools. Educational aspect distinguishes us from many of the schools in the country playing division I football, except similarly situated PL teams and Ivies (eschewing comparison of the top academic schools in the P5 which are not our recruiting rivals). P5 scheduling distinguishes us vs. most Ivies. That is vitally important in this AI era. There is no reason that we should be afraid to play these games or shy away from these games. The coaches want these games. The players want these these games. Recruits wants these games. The athletic department wants these games. Regardless of the outcome, i.e. win, loss by 10, lose by 40, we need these games to take the program to the next level. Your opposition to these games is well noted. My disagreement with you is, likewise, well noted. While we can agree that we will never agree on this issue, your position re same is simply wrong. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 1, 2018 15:50:57 GMT -5
I say play Penn State or any other power 5 school that gives us more exposure, provides a payday, and gives players and alums the chance to be in these stadiums. We'll never be great in the PL, CAA or any other FCS conference, if we are AFRAID to mix it up with the big programs, regardless of the outcome.
A recruit that is picking between PL and Ivy is more likely to pick a PL school that plays large FBS schools than if PL teams did not.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 29, 2018 12:57:38 GMT -5
Lehigh (We need to finish second in this wreck of a league)
Colgate (Easy win)
Holy Cross (closer than it should be).
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 23, 2018 18:34:25 GMT -5
This thread pops up every few years and I usually spend too much time responding based on my emotional connection to the football program. In fact, I feel more connected to the football program than HC as a whole. That is my personal experience, and is probably not true for most people. I won't get into how I think that football is essential to the real college experience, and dropping same would have serious negative consequences for the long term health of HC.
I can understand the financial argument against football at any school outside of the P5. However, there is a lot more involved and achieved by football programs than simply economic gain or loss. There are school spirit, profile and admissions issues that are tied to sports.
There was an article in national publication today about how most college sports (excluding football and basketball) are essentially affirmative action programs for wealthy white kids. I for one would rather HC focus all (or most of the resources) on football and basketball (plus Title IX women sports), and drop some of the other sports to club level. I would rather watch a 6-5 football team than watch a Chad, Biff, Tripp or other Lax Bro score a goal.
We just need to win, and the administration needs to take whatever steps are necessary to accomplish that goal. If that means leaving the PL, or forcing the league's hand on rules, or whatever the case may be, it needs to happen, or HC will continue to be essentially a school with a limited national reputation. We are not a top 10 school in any measure that potential applicants view. We have continually regressed in national academic rankings since the Brooks' decision. If the professed goal of the decision was to focus on academics, that goal has not been reached and maybe it is time to go in the other direction. I say, lets get the best players we can get regardless of their academic records (provided they qualify per NCAA rules), and let the rest play out. Winning at FB and BB will increase national recognition, and thus, increase applicants.
On another note, this thread/discussion is certainly not going to help recruiting or accomplishing the goal we all want - a winning program.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 22, 2018 9:38:27 GMT -5
Gate
Laf
HC
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 15, 2018 10:13:39 GMT -5
Laf
Fordham
Lehigh
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 21:21:50 GMT -5
How do you let someone get that far behind you at the end of the game. Lucky break. #27 - give him a break... he is a freshman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ! Stop the FG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesn't matter. If you are on the field, you need to perform. Rule one for DB - don't get beat deep at the end of the game. Then after, lucky break on the drop, don't let it happen again. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 21:18:26 GMT -5
Why are we not calling time outs. They are in chip shot range.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 21:14:40 GMT -5
Great play by Lang. He is playing his ass off.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 21:13:35 GMT -5
How do you let someone get that far behind you at the end of the game. Lucky break.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 21:13:10 GMT -5
These officials are AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear, the TV cameras just caught two of them smiling after the measurement. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 21:11:36 GMT -5
Refs did not want to blow the whistle on that one.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:55:59 GMT -5
I give one thing to the Chesney era - in the past, we would have missed the PAT to go ahead. Ng was a steal in late recruiting.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:54:11 GMT -5
Harvard is terrible.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:48:16 GMT -5
Harvard wants us to win this game. Will Murphy allow them?
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:46:05 GMT -5
Bell with the best pass of the game so far. Just kidding. But in all honesty, the offense has a lot of talent and they are simply not being utilized.
Bell - a few touches a game.
#8 - does not even see reps?
Cozier - very good player, but they don't get him in space.
84 - vertically. Need to take shots.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:31:56 GMT -5
Why are rotating Riley and No. 22 every series. Stupid coaching.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:28:32 GMT -5
Never mind - they are reviewing and it will be a fumble. At least Harvard did not get the TD they deserved on that play.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 20:27:54 GMT -5
Wade got really lucky there.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 19:29:00 GMT -5
Whew...HC is hanging on...thank you defense! Too soon. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 19:14:18 GMT -5
Jesus Christ. Botched handoff.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2018 19:09:17 GMT -5
TAKE WADE OUT OF THE GAME THIS IS INSANITY He is playing scared. |
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