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Post by res on Jan 31, 2017 18:58:25 GMT -5
Yeah, but then you've got those pesky salary cap issues.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 31, 2017 19:27:42 GMT -5
Fball in PL. All others in MAAC. The claim that HC in the MAAC lowers HC's academic reputation in the eyes of recruits has never been proven. The vast majority of HC applicants (certainly those who don't intend to play varsity sports at HC, 73% of students at HC) couldn't tell you what league HC plays in--and don't care.
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Post by cmo on Jan 31, 2017 20:23:21 GMT -5
I don't think the argument is that the MAAC lowers the academic rep with recruits, its that it lowers the academic rep with future employers/ colleagues, etc.
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Post by Ray on Jan 31, 2017 21:17:47 GMT -5
Fball in PL. All others in MAAC. The claim that HC in the MAAC lowers HC's academic reputation in the eyes of recruits has never been proven. The vast majority of HC applicants (certainly those who don't intend to play varsity sports at HC, 73% of students at HC) couldn't tell you what league HC plays in--and don't care. Keep wasting those keystrokes. Will never happen.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 31, 2017 21:26:50 GMT -5
MAAC is a non-stahtah....I know we're tied into the PL in so many ways, but it's such a bad basketball league in so many ways...be interesting how long we continue to say we're happy/content in this league for basketball. We may continue to do so but we'll also have to accept that HC basketball is now essentially irrelevant in terms of public/alumni/student opinion.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 31, 2017 22:51:45 GMT -5
cmo- As long as HC grads continue to score high on the GRE, LSAT, MEDCAT, etc. and get into outstanding grad schools, law schools, med schools, mgmt training programs, etc., there will be no problem with potential employers.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 31, 2017 23:49:02 GMT -5
I know we're tied into the PL in so many ways, but it's such a bad basketball league in so many ways...be interesting how long we continue to say we're happy/content in this league for basketball. We may continue to do so but we'll also have to accept that HC basketball is now essentially irrelevant in terms of public/alumni/student opinion. Suggestion ihoop: float your feelings to NP and the others in a position to potentially exact your desires, rather than saying the EXACT same thing several times in EVERY thread to all of us who are exhausted from reading it and can't do a thing about it.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 1, 2017 0:01:42 GMT -5
Ray- Never say "never."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 1, 2017 6:48:59 GMT -5
cmo- As long as HC grads continue to score high on the GRE, LSAT, MEDCAT, etc. and get into outstanding grad schools, law schools, med schools, mgmt training programs, etc., there will be no problem with potential employers. That's unlikely to happen, for the following reasons: 1.) The pressure to be competitive athletically in a conference such as the MAAC leads to lowering the academic standards for athletes, which typically leads to a lowering of overall academic standards. The academic level/reputation of the member schools becomes a common denominator. 2.) None of the current MAAC schools are traditional liberal arts colleges, or even pretend to be. Birds of a feather flock together, and a traditional liberal arts curriculum is not a defining characteristic of the MAAC.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 1, 2017 11:55:36 GMT -5
2.) None of the current MAAC schools are traditional liberal arts colleges, or even pretend to be. Birds of a feather flock together, and a traditional liberal arts curriculum is not a defining characteristic of the MAAC. Iona College?
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2017 12:26:09 GMT -5
When the MAAC or similar was brought up in the past, Coach Willard had a canned response that there was no point in going from one single bid league to another single bid league
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Post by Ray on Feb 1, 2017 12:32:23 GMT -5
On this, I'll say it. Never.
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Post by jkh67 on Feb 1, 2017 12:37:58 GMT -5
Fball in PL. All others in MAAC. The claim that HC in the MAAC lowers HC's academic reputation in the eyes of recruits has never been proven. The vast majority of HC applicants (certainly those who don't intend to play varsity sports at HC, 73% of students at HC) couldn't tell you what league HC plays in--and don't care. With all due respect, I doubt you have any idea what the vast majority of HC applicants think about HC's connection to the PL. It is common for contributors to this board to bemoan the impact of the PL on HC athletics. The problem is that there's really nowhere else for us to go in football. And, while some may look longingly at the Atlantic 10 and the Big East, those are very long shots indeed. We also tend to ignore the overall positive aspects of PL membership for a small school like HC. Case in point. I recently met a Marist grad who played varsity basketball there and keeps up with Eastern college sports. When I told him I was an HC grad, he immediately said that Marist would give its eye teeth to be in the PL for one big reason...the PL's superior academic profile compared to the MAAC. Interesting...
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Post by sarasota on Feb 1, 2017 12:53:37 GMT -5
What difference would it make if all the MAAC schools were engineering schools instead of whatever? Also, you wouldn't mind that it is a one-bid league so long as HC was the school getting the bid.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 1, 2017 13:08:33 GMT -5
2.) None of the current MAAC schools are traditional liberal arts colleges, or even pretend to be. Birds of a feather flock together, and a traditional liberal arts curriculum is not a defining characteristic of the MAAC. Iona College? A few weeks back -- in another thread when the very few proponents of the MAAC sallied forth anew, and trumpeting the merits of the MAAC -- I looked for the Common Data Set for iona. Iona does not publish a CDS,and may not even prepare one. The CDS includes a distribution by major of the previous year's graduating class. Without a CDS, one then has to use the proxy of looking at the curriculum and the list of majors, to see how many of the majors would typically be found in a liberal arts college. Iona has an undergraduate school of business, and the school of arts and sciences offers majors in mass communications, audiology/speech pathology, criminal justice, social work.
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Post by ts1970 on Feb 1, 2017 13:23:18 GMT -5
It is common for contributors to this board to bemoan the impact of the PL on HC athletics. The problem is that there's really nowhere else for us to go in football. And, while some may look longingly at the Atlantic 10 and the Big East, those are very long shots indeed. We also tend to ignore the overall positive aspects of PL membership for a small school like HC. Case in point. I recently met a Marist grad who played varsity basketball there and keeps up with Eastern college sports. When I told him I was an HC grad, he immediately said that Marist would give its eye teeth to be in the PL for one big reason...the PL's superior academic profile compared to the MAAC. Interesting... Interesting indeed...........By the way, why did AU, Loyola and BU all want to be admitted to the PL in past years ? Was it for athletic or academic reasons or some of both? Also why did Fordham's basketball program exit the PL for the A-10?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 1, 2017 13:28:55 GMT -5
While I too would much prefer the MAAC to the PL from a basketball perspective, it's extremely doubtful it will ever happen, because as I've noted several times, there has been a standing offer to HC from the MAAC for a least a few years, and if it was going to happen, it would have already.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2017 13:47:23 GMT -5
Looking back, when Fordham was in the PL for all sports, they were often ridiculed on WFAN (chiefly by Mike Francessa and Chris Russo of "Mike and the Mad Dog"). The Rams gave in and moved to become a doormat in a better league. Is that really what folks want for HC?
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Post by lou on Feb 1, 2017 14:40:24 GMT -5
While I too would much prefer the MAAC to the PL from a basketball perspective, it's extremely doubtful it will ever happen, because as I've noted several times, there has been a standing offer to HC from the MAAC for a least a few years, and if it was going to happen, it would have already. As we like to say around here, there's 0.0% chance of Holy Cross moving to the MAAC
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Post by sarasota on Feb 2, 2017 1:17:44 GMT -5
0% chances have a funny way of coming to pass......
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 2, 2017 6:23:33 GMT -5
Here is the link to the post where I compared the academic profile of HC with the three Catholic, MAAC schools closest to NYC:: Iona, Manhattan, and St. Peter's crossports.freeforums.net/post/19573There is a greater likelihood of one or more of the current MAAC schools going belly-up then there is of HC joining that conference with its current membership.
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Post by joe on Feb 2, 2017 8:15:43 GMT -5
MAAC is a best a lateral move that will do nothing except create rippled chaos throughout our sports programs.
To do, and in this order: 1. Drop minor sports down to club level. 2. Focus all available coaching monies on hoops, football, and hockey coaches. 3. Contract formally with the DCU if you aren't willing to build a real arena on campus. 4. After #3 has been established, figure out a way NOW into: -A10 or BE for BB -CAA for FB -HE for hockey
Alternatively: 1. Keep the status quo and be a really great D3 school. I say this with zero sarcasm.
We can't wait to "play out" of leagues in which we can't seem to find any long-term competitive edge over our opponents other than better locker rooms, and we must find an affiliation unrestricted by AI and lack of non-medical redshirting if we're to compete at a higher level in D1. Can this be made any more simple?
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Post by res on Feb 3, 2017 14:31:12 GMT -5
I believe that the NCAA still mandates a minimum of 14 varsity sports for Division I schools (16 for FBS members, IIRC). Title IX would also preclude a school from doing what you suggest.
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Post by joe on Feb 3, 2017 14:36:19 GMT -5
I believe that the NCAA still mandates a minimum of 14 varsity sports for Division I schools (16 for FBS members, IIRC). Title IX would also preclude a school from doing what you suggest. Let me refine what I said - drop as many sports down to club level as possible. Maintain a female sport or sports like field hockey that has no male counterpart so you can meet title IX.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 3, 2017 17:08:34 GMT -5
It is common for contributors to this board to bemoan the impact of the PL on HC athletics. The problem is that there's really nowhere else for us to go in football. And, while some may look longingly at the Atlantic 10 and the Big East, those are very long shots indeed. We also tend to ignore the overall positive aspects of PL membership for a small school like HC. Case in point. I recently met a Marist grad who played varsity basketball there and keeps up with Eastern college sports. When I told him I was an HC grad, he immediately said that Marist would give its eye teeth to be in the PL for one big reason...the PL's superior academic profile compared to the MAAC. Interesting... Interesting indeed...........By the way, why did AU, Loyola and BU all want to be admitted to the PL in past years ? Was it for athletic or academic reasons or some of both? Also why did Fordham's basketball program exit the PL for the A-10? In AU's case, some of both--though being with private, academically-based universities fit our intentions of dramatically improving our academic footprint. There was also little future for us in the CAA when we had no intention/ability to add football. The idea of easier access to the NCAAs across multiple sports was also a factor, one that has indeed come to pass for us, especially in women's athletics, where our volleyball and field hockey teams have dominated in the PL, both before and after most schools began providing scholarships in those sports. But the academic fit was the most important for us.
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