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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2017 16:24:45 GMT -5
Back to Luth.
From the webcam, the contractors have built a temporary, fenced-off sidewalk from the NE corner (strength and conditioning and three sets of new locker rooms) of Luth to Figge. A permanent egress door is also installed. This may indicate that this section of Luth will be open for student use in the next week or so. The Fire Dept would have to do an inspection first.
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 10, 2017 16:57:28 GMT -5
I stopped by Luth today..The front plaza is in, to the left of the Hart Center doors..The Cousy statue is to the left of the Hart doors..The company installing the weight room equipment was moving equipment in and beginning installation..One worker said they should have the installation complete hopefully next Tuesday...(both of the trucks in use had pictures of the Merrimack weight training room on the side, my wife and son both went there, my son played soccer).. The corridor by the crew tank was closed off, work going on back there..The men's room off the Hart lobby was under going some work..I couldn't access either the lower or upper corridors by the new hoops practice facility..Not much site work going on as I could see...
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 13, 2017 14:36:10 GMT -5
Men's basketball fact sheet gives 3536 as capacity at the Hart.
Don't know whether that includes the Ryan Room, and standees. Even with those, doubt one could get to 4,000 (the all-time max)..
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 13, 2017 17:24:07 GMT -5
Men's basketball fact sheet gives 3536 as capacity at the Hart. Don't know whether that includes the Ryan Room, and standees. Even with those, doubt one could get to 4,000 (the all-time max).. Wasn't the previous capacity 3,600, with 4,000 for standing room? How could the changes, which seemed to remove quite a few seats (including huge chunks of what used to be great student section areas right under the hoop) and didn't add any new seats only results in a reduction by 64 on the capacity?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 13, 2017 17:47:16 GMT -5
Men's basketball fact sheet gives 3536 as capacity at the Hart. Don't know whether that includes the Ryan Room, and standees. Even with those, doubt one could get to 4,000 (the all-time max).. Wasn't the previous capacity 3,600, with 4,000 for standing room? How could the changes, which seemed to remove quite a few seats (including huge chunks of what used to be great student section areas right under the hoop) and didn't add any new seats only results in a reduction by 64 on the capacity? The life safety calculations in the contract are based on 2473 spectators at court level, and 1270 spectators in the upper mezzanine level. That's a total of 3743, plus 81 in Bud Ryan room. No standees. This count also does not include the courtside single row of seats. At court level, its a simple multiplication of x seats per row x number of rows. The calculations likely do not factor the access risers (width / number) in the number of fannies per row..
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 17, 2017 17:03:33 GMT -5
Was being a sidewalk superintendent for a short bit this afternoon.
Though its hidden from webcam view, it appears from trucks exiting the NFH, that they are leveling the grade prior to installing the field turf. ________________
In the midst of my superintendency, I saw 20-30 lacrosse players headed up McCarthy Lane to the playing fields. Didn't think they could possibly be HC students and discovered that the Crusader Challenge occurs Mon-Wed of this week. Basically a tournament for high school players, with college and university coaches evaluating.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 17, 2017 17:18:41 GMT -5
Help me out here as I am getting confused. I assumed NFH was shorthand for "New Fieldhouse" (i.e. the Quonset hut replacement, which I didn't think they started doing anything on). But in the context you describe, it sounds like the Luth Athletic Complex ("field turf") a/k/a "LAC."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 17, 2017 19:26:24 GMT -5
Help me out here as I am getting confused. I assumed NFH was shorthand for "New Fieldhouse" (i.e. the Quonset hut replacement, which I didn't think they started doing anything on). But in the context you describe, it sounds like the Luth Athletic Complex ("field turf") a/k/a "LAC." The Luth Athletic Complex includes the NFh, the Hart Center (court and rink), the Blaney Court. I do not know whether the NFH will also be specifically named after the Luths, The NFH is Crossports vernacular to distinguish it from the OFH. The OFH will soon be history, and probably named something like the Student Recreation Center (SRC). Or maybe they'll name the SRC after Fr. Hart, and sell naming rights to the Hart court. I'm sure, for example, if a Mr. Generous Donor funded the expansion of the rink, it would be re-named the G. Donor Rink at the LAC. The field turf field is the indoor field that is the principal feature of the NFH. As best I can tell, naming rights for practically any space at the LAC can be bought. Naming rights do need to be sorted out. I suppose we may learn next March whether new strength and conditioning is also named for the Smiths, or, as the original strength and conditioning space was funded by the Smiths, their name will be retained for that particular space. Thus, the LAC would have the Park Smith Football Coaches Suite. Klar? . .
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Post by sarasota on Jul 18, 2017 11:23:00 GMT -5
All day today truck loads and trailer loads of what looks like soil is being trucked out from in front of the complex. Do we know where it is going? Re-used somewhere else on the campus? Sold?
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Post by rickii on Jul 18, 2017 11:39:29 GMT -5
Help me out here as I am getting confused. I assumed NFH was shorthand for "New Fieldhouse" (i.e. the Quonset hut replacement, which I didn't think they started doing anything on). But in the context you describe, it sounds like the Luth Athletic Complex ("field turf") a/k/a "LAC." The Luth Athletic Complex includes the NFh, the Hart Center (court and rink), the Blaney Court. I do not know whether the NFH will also be specifically named after the Luths, The NFH is Crossports vernacular to distinguish it from the OFH. The OFH will soon be history, and probably named something like the Student Recreation Center (SRC). Or maybe they'll name the SRC after Fr. Hart, and sell naming rights to the Hart court. I'm sure, for example, if a Mr. Generous Donor funded the expansion of the rink, it would be re-named the G. Donor Rink at the LAC. The field turf field is the indoor field that is the principal feature of the NFH. As best I can tell, naming rights for practically any space at the LAC can be bought. Naming rights do need to be sorted out. I suppose we may learn next March whether new strength and conditioning is also named for the Smiths, or, as the original strength and conditioning space was funded by the Smiths, their name will be retained for that particular space. Thus, the LAC would have the Park Smith Football Coaches Suite. Klar? . . Wait, did I miss something along the way here ? I understood previously, and the rendering seems to confirm, that the OFH/Quonset Hut was to be internally refurbished with a new modern entrance on the end facing Hogan. Now the plan is to demolish it and build a new facility ?
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2017 12:31:26 GMT -5
The Luth Athletic Complex includes the NFh, the Hart Center (court and rink), the Blaney Court. I do not know whether the NFH will also be specifically named after the Luths, The NFH is Crossports vernacular to distinguish it from the OFH. The OFH will soon be history, and probably named something like the Student Recreation Center (SRC). Or maybe they'll name the SRC after Fr. Hart, and sell naming rights to the Hart court. I'm sure, for example, if a Mr. Generous Donor funded the expansion of the rink, it would be re-named the G. Donor Rink at the LAC. The field turf field is the indoor field that is the principal feature of the NFH. As best I can tell, naming rights for practically any space at the LAC can be bought. Naming rights do need to be sorted out. I suppose we may learn next March whether new strength and conditioning is also named for the Smiths, or, as the original strength and conditioning space was funded by the Smiths, their name will be retained for that particular space. Thus, the LAC would have the Park Smith Football Coaches Suite. Klar? . . Wait, did I miss something along the way here ? I understood previously, and the rendering seems to confirm, that the OFH/Quonset Hut was to be internally refurbished with a new modern entrance on the end facing Hogan. Now the plan is to demolish it and build a new facility ? yes, you missed something. refurbish was the original plan, but somewhere along the line it was determined given the age and nature of the building that replacement would actually be cheaper
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 18, 2017 15:30:21 GMT -5
I don't think that is entirely accurate. I don't think Fr. Boroughs said it was "cheaper" to build a new building but rather than the cost differential was minimal and therefore why not get a new building rather than refurbish the old. He never said, that I have seen, what the exact differential was. Hundreds of thousands? A couple of million?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2017 18:30:22 GMT -5
I don't think that is entirely accurate. I don't think Fr. Boroughs said it was "cheaper" to build a new building but rather than the cost differential was minimal and therefore why not get a new building rather than refurbish the old. He never said, that I have seen, what the exact differential was. Hundreds of thousands? A couple of million? The cost seems to have crept up. I think the estimate is now $18-20 million, which is about double the estimate when the cellar of Chateau d'Yquem was sacrificed to the cause. The Sasaki rendering that was released simultaneously with the renderings of Luth was ginned up by Sasaki, even though they were / are not the architect. The architect for the OFH is www.smma.com/They have designed several additions to athletic facilities at Providence College. As I understand it, the refurbishment scheme, as indicated by the Sasaki rendering, retained the old footprint of the Quonset hut. I do not know whether the bumpout additions on the south and north sides were to be saved. If HC chose to enlarge the footprint, the existing truss work holding up the roof could not be readily salvaged, Crudely calculated, the existing Quonset hut footprint is about 20,000 square feet. HC intends to push out the north wall, and take the road from Hogan and Hart out to College St. to do this. If the north side is extended by 30 feet, that would increase the building by about 7500 square feet. The north wall supposedly is mostly glass. ______________________________________ ^^^ Click on the image to enlarge it. The width of a football field is 160 feet, the width of a lacrosse field is 180 feet. a field hockey field is 180 feet, and a soccer field is 210 feet The image above appears to show a 180 foot wide field, bordered by a jogging track that is at least 10 feet wide. If accurate. the width of Luth is a bit over 200 feet, and which explains why the roof trusses cost so much. By Google maps, the width of the OFH appears to be between 80-85 feet, and a 30 foot expansion to the north would bring the width to 110-115 feet. A basketball court is 91+ feet long, so it would seem N-S courts at the OFH were not regulation length. A tennis court is 78 feet long.
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Post by sarasota on Jul 18, 2017 20:01:52 GMT -5
Tons and tons of fond memories for me in the OFH, as well for my classmates I am sure. Met my wife in it, Bball practices, Coach Leenig with a heralded Frosh from Assumption Prep Jack Foley, pickup bball with Heinsohn, Cousy solo practices, intramural games, baseball practice, concerts, Glenn Miller Orch, Four Freshmen, Lionel Hampton Orch, Junior Prom, Barry Goldwater speech, MLK Jr speech, graduation, Cattle Call.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2017 5:53:52 GMT -5
Phreek, in one of your above photos, the caption says "Overhauling the old fieldhouse." "OFH." I recognize that the caption is probably not yours.
So, to replace it, how is that not the "New Fieldhouse?" (NFH")
I am not sure anyone but you has dubbed the LAC as the NFH. How about, "NRC" for "New Recreation Center?"
Leave the Luth Athletic Complex as "LAC" rather than "NFH."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 19, 2017 8:26:19 GMT -5
sader1970, the distinction between OFH and NFH came about when HC began referring to the indoor practice facility at Luth as a field house. For some years, the NFH was referred to as the indoor practice facility, which is still fine by me. And during most of this time,, the OFH was to be retained and refurbished. There was only one field house and one indoor practice facility, and no need to distinguish between the two.
The photo caption is either Sasaki's or HC's. _____________________________
Back on the old board in the Fr. McF era, there was a thread or two about what the students (all now long-graduated) wanted. They were polled, and their first choice was for a 'living room'. IIRC, the second choice was to fix the field house. Frank V lamented that colleges were confronted by students demanding more and more in the way of amenities.. He may have so viewed the 'living room'.
The 'living room' was to be built between Hogan and the field house, and would serve as a place where students could socialize, lounge about,, etc.. IIRC, the living room would also house exercise machines, dance/exercise studios. The refurbished field house would retain the basketball courts, with no added recreational opportunities..
With the passage of time, the 'living room' faded into dim memory. The college still realized / recognized the need for having a social and recreational venue that was more than could be obtained from simply refurbishing the OFH. The OFH would be expanded in size. The expansion increased the cost, and also made refurbishment of the existing field house a marginal proposition, from a cost standpoint. ____________________ When I calculated the OFH as having a length of about 250 feet, I was not counting the two story addition on the west side. As that is on level ground, and the ground immediately to the east of the current field house is also level, the length of the new recreation building could easily be 300 feet. ___________________
The Luth's gift of $32.5 million was split: $25M for the top of the hill, and $7.5M for the current field house.. When added with the Chateau d'Yquem, the cost of the new student rec building is almost paid for. I'll boldly predict HC will start construction next spring, and have the new building ready for student use in the fall of 2019.
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Post by rickii on Jul 19, 2017 11:50:37 GMT -5
Through no fault of pp, I get lost on east-west-north-south references per LAC reports or updates. Only thing I'm sure of is the open endzone at Fitton is due west. The setting sun on Fall Saturdays is a viewing killer for fans in the closed endzone....or used to be when we had decent crowds.
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Post by sarasota on Jul 19, 2017 12:49:38 GMT -5
always sat on the Visitors side at Fitton. best sun for tanning, best view of HC sideline.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 19, 2017 13:05:49 GMT -5
always sat on the Visitors side at Fitton. best sun for tanning, best view of HC sideline. Was usually warmer too, if there was sun, and also shielded somewhat from the NW wind.
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Post by rickii on Jul 20, 2017 10:39:16 GMT -5
always sat on the Visitors side at Fitton. best sun for tanning, best view of HC sideline. Was usually warmer too, if there was sun, and also shielded somewhat from the NW wind. Speaking of warmth, pretty dang hot and humid this week. Is there any A/C yet within the LAC ? If not, gotta be like an oven particularly in several enclosed areas for those workers. PP any idea where the main generator room is located ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 20, 2017 12:56:08 GMT -5
rickii, I believe the indoor practice facility has A/C. Months ago they were lifting what appeared to be very large chillers to the new roof between Hart and the indoor practice facility. However, looking at the webcam today, what appear to be a row of lower windows on the east (McKeon Rd.) side are partly open, suggesting that any A/C is not on. I don't think the A/C is for the benefit of the athletes, but mainly intended for when the facility is used by the college as assembly space. See cutouts for vents and fans? above the AD offices (and Nate Pine's balcony.) The new main electrical rooms are located on the south side, between where new sports medicine will be (converted old Hart space) and the new indoor practice facility. I believe there is an emergency generator there. along the side facing the playing fields..
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Post by sarasota on Jul 20, 2017 14:25:16 GMT -5
NP's Balcony....reminds me of the Pope's Window at the Vatican.....Benedicat Vos Omnipotens Deus, Cousy, Heinsohn, et Palazzi......Ahhhhhmen...
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 20, 2017 16:00:27 GMT -5
That would be impressive, even from a Catholic!
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Post by sarasota on Jul 20, 2017 23:18:24 GMT -5
Remember "trots" in high school Latin class? Caesar's Gallic Wars?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 21, 2017 5:52:38 GMT -5
Remember "trots" in high school Latin class? Caesar's Gallic Wars? Forgive my namedropping, but one of my distant ancestors, appointed as Dux (military governor) of Dacia Ripensis (Roman province along the Danube in current day Bulgaria) had several legions under his command, including Legio XIII, the Gemini, the legion that crossed the Rubicon with J. Caeser. He was appointed Dux by Julian (the Apostate).
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