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Post by rgs318 on Feb 25, 2018 19:24:22 GMT -5
Possum, That is hardly the case. Perhaps you don’t know much about HC’s history.
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Post by possum on Feb 25, 2018 19:37:56 GMT -5
If you're referring to history prior to Jack the Shot then you are correct.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 25, 2018 20:04:55 GMT -5
The sophomore class had one kid kicked out of school, another suspended (two if we want to count walk on Powers) and one who has scored 21 points this season.
Total failure.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 25, 2018 21:01:22 GMT -5
Holland, Blaney, and Downey combined to score 298 career points. The current sophomore class has totaled 46. With two more years, that number will grow. Maybe, maybe not.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 25, 2018 21:33:16 GMT -5
Yes, Jack D. recruited Mike Blaney,not George... the temporary loss of scholarships killed the Class of 74 (save for Mal Moulton); that and the YC move killed 75 (and was certainly a factor in Kevin Stacom transferring to PC, although maybe not the only factor) HC grad and Jack Donahue “friend” Joe. Mullaney stole Kevin S. After Donahue was the only major coach to offer Kevin out of HC hs in Flushing
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Post by Xmassader on Feb 25, 2018 23:05:47 GMT -5
timholycross—Yes. The freshman class of ‘66-‘67 (sr. class of ‘69-‘70) to put it mildly was not a strong one. Only 2 scholarship players—-Tony Barclay from NY and Jackie Lahey from Worcester. Jack Donohue was quoted as saying “We didn’t recruit many but the ones we got are blue chippers.” Let’s just say that Jack D was proven to be way off in his assessment and, although we had winning records during the 3 yrs. these two were on the varsity, the team was carried by the other 2 classes (including Keith Hochstein, Al Stazinski, Jimmie Murray, Ed Suidut, Gerry Foley, Bob Kissane, Don Sasso, Jackie Adams, Stan Grayson and Buddy Venne).
Barclay and Lahey did play on the team in their sr. yr. and over their careers probably scored more pts. than this year’s sophomore class has so far. However, I don’t remember any game in which either Barclay or Lahey had as much impact on an HC win as CLS had in last year’s Army road win.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 7:22:47 GMT -5
Only 2 scholarship players—-Tony Barclay from NY and Jackie Lahey from Worcester. . . . Barclay and Lahey did play on the team in their sr. yr. and over their careers probably scored more pts. than this year’s sophomore class has so far. They combined for 259 points. It's hard to see where CLS is going to get a lot more minutes going forward. There are nine players on the team getting more time now - ten, if you count Charles - and they are all coming back. Even with the bout of injury, illness, and off-court problems that have shortened the bench significantly, he hasn't seen a minute of game action since the Navy debacle three weeks ago.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 26, 2018 7:29:38 GMT -5
Any chance KC will make it back for the four game run? We could sure use some offensive punch.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 26, 2018 7:45:02 GMT -5
That would certainly be welcome. The silence on this issue has been deafening.
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Post by Tom on Feb 26, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -5
Only 2 scholarship players—-Tony Barclay from NY and Jackie Lahey from Worcester. . . . Barclay and Lahey did play on the team in their sr. yr. and over their careers probably scored more pts. than this year’s sophomore class has so far. They combined for 259 points. It's hard to see where CLS is going to get a lot more minutes going forward. There are nine players on the team getting more time now - ten, if you count Charles - and they are all coming back. Even with the bout of injury, illness, and off-court problems that have shortened the bench significantly, he hasn't seen a minute of game action since the Navy debacle three weeks ago. One never knows Coach Willard has said that he would have liked it if he could have given Mark Jerz's scholarship away as a soph and a junior. During his senior year, Coach Willard didn't know how he was going to handle it when Jerz missed a game with an injury. Yes, he never developed as a stud, but Jerz is an example of a kid who did not much as an underclassman but as a senior was a contributing role player on a pretty good squad. If the jury is out on LeSann (and I'm sure there are differing opinions on that), it's definitely out on Stevens. Assuming his suspension isn't permanent, the fact that he was injured for the whole year makes projecting his future development even more difficult. Yup, as a freshman he was the 4th big man in a 3 man rotation of Husek, Alexander, and Floyd. Reasonable to assume Faw's minutes would be way down if Alexander and Husek were still here. Once again, I'm not saying Stevens will ever become a stud. I am saying, assuming he someday returns, that I can't definitively call his junior and senior years a disaster based solely on his freshman year numbers
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Post by Ray on Feb 26, 2018 11:10:31 GMT -5
Josh Jones also comes to mind as a late-developing big man who made some contributions before his career was over.
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Post by breezy on Feb 26, 2018 12:09:28 GMT -5
timholycross—Yes. The freshman class of ‘66-‘67 (sr. class of ‘69-‘70) to put it mildly was not a strong one. Only 2 scholarship players—-Tony Barclay from NY and Jackie Lahey from Worcester. Jack Donohue was quoted as saying “We didn’t recruit many but the ones we got are blue chippers.” Let’s just say that Jack D was proven to be way off in his assessment and, although we had winning records during the 3 yrs. these two were on the varsity, the team was carried by the other 2 classes (including Keith Hochstein, Al Stazinski, Jimmie Murray, Ed Suidut, Gerry Foley, Bob Kissane, Don Sasso, Jackie Adams, Stan Grayson and Buddy Venne). Barclay and Lahey did play on the team in their sr. yr. and over their careers probably scored more pts. than this year’s sophomore class has so far. However, I don’t remember any game in which either Barclay or Lahey had as much impact on an HC win as CLS had in last year’s Army road win. As a freshman basketball manager during the 1965-1966 school year, I had some contact with the recruiting efforts undertaken by Coach Donohue for the class entering in the 1966-1967 school year. I don't remember all the details, but I do know that we were very interested in recruiting a 6-10 player from Iowa (I believe his name was Joe Bergman) and Geoff Petrie, as well as some other high-profile players whose names I have forgotten. As I recall, Bergman was flown from Iowa to Massachusetts by a HC alum who owned a private plane, and I saw him play some hoops in the field house (probably with some members of the team, but I don't recall exactly). Coach Herrion, who did not observe Bergman's play (I think it was because of NCAA regulations) asked me for my thoughts on watching him play. I was not overly impressed and told Coach Herrion that I thought Bergman was "somewhat raw." In any event, as I recall, Bergman eventually went to Iowa and had a relatively un-noteworthy career. (A quick Google search indicates that he then transferred to Creighton.) Petrie, as we know, went to Princeton and then on to the NBA. I did have the feeling that it was only after all the high-profile names went elsewhere that we ended up with Barclay and Lahey as recruits. (Some years later, I saw Barclay at HC. I think it was while one of my daughters was at HC and I think Tony had a child who was also attending HC at the same time.)
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 12:47:23 GMT -5
Josh Jones also comes to mind as a late-developing big man who made some contributions before his career was over. Unlike Jerz, who played 300+ minutes as a freshman, Josh really didn't do anything for three years, then was a solid contributor his senior year. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-jones-2.html
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2018 13:03:26 GMT -5
Yes, Jack D. recruited Mike Blaney,not George... the temporary loss of scholarships killed the Class of 74 (save for Mal Moulton); that and the YC move killed 75 (and was certainly a factor in Kevin Stacom transferring to PC, although maybe not the only factor) HC grad and Jack Donahue “friend” Joe. Mullaney stole Kevin S. After Donahue was the only major coach to offer Kevin out of HC hs in Flushing Nice trick by Joe Mullaney considering Dave Gavitt starting coaching there when Kevin and I started at HC in 1969. Joe was coaching the Lakers, then the Kentucky Colonels of the ABA in the early 70s.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 26, 2018 13:48:50 GMT -5
HC grad and Jack Donahue “friend” Joe. Mullaney stole Kevin S. After Donahue was the only major coach to offer Kevin out of HC hs in Flushing Nice trick by Joe Mullaney considering Dave Gavitt starting coaching there when Kevin and I started at HC in 1969. Joe was coaching the Lakers, then the Kentucky Colonels of the ABA in the early 70s. Thanks. My old age. It was Gavitt who was supposed to be Jack D’s friend who stole Kevin
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 26, 2018 13:53:08 GMT -5
Well we really got Gavitt back when he asked us to the Prom twice and we said "no, we're too pretty and pure."
That'll teach him!
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Post by Tom on Feb 26, 2018 15:45:50 GMT -5
Josh Jones also comes to mind as a late-developing big man who made some contributions before his career was over. Jones is an even better example. But it does reinforce my point that it might be early to call the class of 2020 a total waste of scholarships
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Post by southernsader on Feb 26, 2018 16:41:06 GMT -5
Nice trick by Joe Mullaney considering Dave Gavitt starting coaching there when Kevin and I started at HC in 1969. Joe was coaching the Lakers, then the Kentucky Colonels of the ABA in the early 70s. Thanks. My old age. It was Gavitt who was supposed to be Jack D’s friend who stole Kevin Don't know that you can say Gavitt "stole" Kevin; Stacom may have spotted a a future opportunity himself to play with Ernie D, Marvin B, Fran Costello and Nehru King.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 26, 2018 16:44:22 GMT -5
Thanks. My old age. It was Gavitt who was supposed to be Jack D’s friend who stole Kevin Don't know that you can say Gavitt "stole" Kevin; Stacom may have spotted a a future opportunity himself to play with Ernie D, Marvin B, Fran Costello and Nehru King. I can say it. It is true.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 15, 2018 20:39:49 GMT -5
Twitter says we’re visiting Michigan senior guard Luke Toliver. Serious shooter. Preferred walk-on offer at Western Michigan. 6’4” now but only 17 years old and maybe still growing. Averaging 30+ ppg.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 15, 2018 20:42:17 GMT -5
Are we desperate to replace MP?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2018 20:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Mar 15, 2018 20:47:22 GMT -5
From this same HS league former HC standout Bill Walker played in as well as Derek Jeter (Kalamazoo).
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2018 21:02:07 GMT -5
The competition looks weak, but Toliver can score
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 16, 2018 4:07:57 GMT -5
Maybe we are looking to add a 1 year preferred walk-on as well (with a promise to convert to a scholly after).
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