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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 12, 2018 11:01:45 GMT -5
The accounting is more accurate in some areas than others. Mis-reporting the amount of athletically-related fin aid awarded to men and women can have Title IX consequences. Below are the athletically-related fin aid totals by school (M / W in thousands of dollars) Bucknell 6157 / 7024 Colgate 7150 / 5563 Holy Cross 6096 / 4898 Lafayette 5312 / 3928 Lehigh 6557 / 5826 ++++++++++++++++++++++ Georgetown 4262 / 4627 Undergraduates 3016 / 3858 One can see why if Georgetown were to award merit-based scollies in football, that likely would lead to GU increasing the scollie aid for women, on a 1:1 basis. A very expensive proposition. ________________________________ Number of participants football Georgetown 78 Lafayette 80 Bucknell 84 The others are 90 or 90+ (HC 92, Fordham 93) The total aid numbers are indeed accurate. The breakdown thereafter is mostly by guesstimate. The total also includes non PL sports like wrestling ,ice hockey and water polo. I note Lehigh has 78 rostered players rich, what you need is a copy of the NCAA revenue and expense report. Those reports identify the number of athletes on scholarship by sport. By design by the Department of Education, the NCAA reports are aggregated and summarized to create the Title IX reports. I have only seen the NCAA reports from public universities, where these are made available either under state law or by a freedom of information request (usually by the media). My guess is that the league office has a copy of the reports of the PL schools. This is the 2017 report for PSU, it is 87 pages. gopsusports.com/documents/2018/8/10//ncaa_financial_report_1617.pdf?id=8422Note on page 41, football has 84.33 equivalencies, while 117 on the roster are receiving fin aid. Men's basketball looks about right, women's hoops does not, unless PSU is running an on-campus farm system. Football paid out $1.7 million in guarantees, men's hoops $382,000. Have to entice hoops coaches to travel to State College? Recruiting cost for men's hoops was $336,000. Here are links to PA newspaper articles where the reporter scrutinized the PSU revenue and export report. The report is a small fraction of what's in the report. The only shielding that I have found is compensation level of individual coaches. www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/article204119879.htmlwww.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-athletics-salaries-scholarships-grab-lions-share-of-budget-increases,1475798/ I remember reading a revenues and expense report from one of the schools in the MAC and was surprised that the number of football scollies was in the mid-70s, rather than the 85 allowed. ________________ Re PSU, see also: news.psu.edu/story/536507/2018/09/13/athletics/trustees-hear-financial-update-intercollegiate-athletics
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Post by breezy on Nov 12, 2018 17:47:11 GMT -5
OFFER #139: DL CLETUS MATHURIN, 6-2, 290, Cheshire Academy, Cheshire, CT Twitter: @_CletusM Hudl highlights: www.hudl.com/profile/9920851/Cletus-MathurinAlso has offers from Army, Buffalo, Central Connecticut, Navy, Old Dominion, UMass, Fordham, and Monmouth. Mathurin made an unofficial visit to Hily Cross in July. And made an official visit to Holy Cross this past weekend. UPDATE: Mathurin has now "pinned" the tweet about his official visit this weekend.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 12, 2018 18:00:03 GMT -5
Same HS as Argys - who looked like he tweeted him saying he was looking forward to hosting him.
DL - hard position to recruit to - would be great get if they could land him. Especially with 3 Seniors leaving that position.
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Post by richh on Nov 12, 2018 18:31:09 GMT -5
The total aid numbers are indeed accurate. The breakdown thereafter is mostly by guesstimate. The total also includes non PL sports like wrestling ,ice hockey and water polo. I note Lehigh has 78 rostered players rich, what you need is a copy of the NCAA revenue and expense report. Those reports identify the number of athletes on scholarship by sport. By design by the Department of Education, the NCAA reports are aggregated and summarized to create the Title IX reports. I have only seen the NCAA reports from public universities, where these are made available either under state law or by a freedom of information request (usually by the media). My guess is that the league office has a copy of the reports of the PL schools. This is the 2017 report for PSU, it is 87 pages. gopsusports.com/documents/2018/8/10//ncaa_financial_report_1617.pdf?id=8422Note on page 41, football has 84.33 equivalencies, while 117 on the roster are receiving fin aid. Men's basketball looks about right, women's hoops does not, unless PSU is running an on-campus farm system. Football paid out $1.7 million in guarantees, men's hoops $382,000. Have to entice hoops coaches to travel to State College? Recruiting cost for men's hoops was $336,000. Here are links to PA newspaper articles where the reporter scrutinized the PSU revenue and export report. The report is a small fraction of what's in the report. The only shielding that I have found is compensation level of individual coaches. www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/article204119879.htmlwww.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-athletics-salaries-scholarships-grab-lions-share-of-budget-increases,1475798/ I remember reading a revenues and expense report from one of the schools in the MAC and was surprised that the number of football scollies was in the mid-70s, rather than the 85 allowed. ________________ Re PSU, see also: news.psu.edu/story/536507/2018/09/13/athletics/trustees-hear-financial-update-intercollegiate-athleticsIt would be nice to have access to those numbers. The PL wont reveal them.Lehigh likewise will not divulge. I have been asked to restrict what I post to prospects,offers and commitments. Unless a player reveals the type of aid, we are in the dark. Thr transitive value of State college numbers is of limited value for football. Besides the obvious difference in tuition,there are too many assumptions that factor into guessing types or numbers of schollies. One common assumption is that prospects holding FBS or Academy offers are getting full rides in the PL. Not always correct. Lehigh has a number of frosh and soph players who held Academy offers. Some have full rides, most do not. While I cannot generalize, we have 2 kids in those classes with low level FBS offers who preferred LU even with partials.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 13, 2018 6:36:00 GMT -5
Is it accurate to state that the HC football facilities from the Luth to the storied Fitton are second to none in the PL? And, I really don't know the answer. LoveHC No other PL (FCS) football school has a facility like the Luth. To my knowledge, BC has the only FBS indoor practice facility in New England, and it opened very recently. BC's field is 120 yards, versus 100 yards at Luth. However, looking at photos, I think Luth's roof is higher. Compared to BC, Luth is built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Bryant has an indoor facility, but the ceiling is so low you can't kick or throw a long pass. Bryant's field house totally collapsed during construction, so methinks they may have economized on the design. HC may be the only PL school with both grass and (outside) field turf practice fields.
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Post by breezy on Nov 13, 2018 7:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Nov 13, 2018 7:55:34 GMT -5
Is it accurate to state that the HC football facilities from the Luth to the storied Fitton are second to none in the PL? And, I really don't know the answer. LoveHC No other PL (FCS) football school has a facility like the Luth. To my knowledge, BC has the only FBS indoor practice facility in New England, and it opened very recently. BC's field is 120 yards, versus 100 yards at Luth. However, looking at photos, I think Luth's roof is higher. Compared to BC, Luth is built like the proverbial brick outhouse.Bryant has an indoor facility, but the ceiling is so low you can't kick or throw a long pass. Bryant's field house totally collapsed during construction, so methinks they may have economized on the design. HC may be the only PL school with both grass and (outside) field turf practice fields. UConn has had an indoor facility for a decade. www.jcj.com/project/burton-family-football-complex-mark-r-shenkman-training-center-university-of-connecticut/
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Post by breezy on Nov 13, 2018 8:39:14 GMT -5
OFFER #90: DL ZACHARY PELLAND, 6-4, 250, Warren Township HS, Gurnee, IL Twitter: @zachpelland Hudl highlights: www.hudl.com/profile/7598871/Zachary-PellandAlso has offers from Army, Eastern Kentucky, ND State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton, and Dartmouth. Pelland has committed to Colgate. Three other HC offerees have made commitments to other schools in the past week or so -- DL Dylan Perez of Florida has committed to Army. WR Dino Tomlin of Pennsylvania (Coach Tomlin's son) has committed to Maryland. DL Mike Callahan of California has committed to Boise State.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 13, 2018 8:47:00 GMT -5
Is it accurate to state that the HC football facilities from the Luth to the storied Fitton are second to none in the PL? And, I really don't know the answer. LoveHC That is a fair assessment, IMHO.
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Post by gks on Nov 13, 2018 10:00:54 GMT -5
Is it accurate to state that the HC football facilities from the Luth to the storied Fitton are second to none in the PL? And, I really don't know the answer. LoveHC That is a fair assessment, MHO. By far. Hopefully this class will show some impact of the financial commitment of the school towards football.
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Post by rickii on Nov 13, 2018 10:04:45 GMT -5
Is it accurate to state that the HC football facilities from the Luth to the storied Fitton are second to none in the PL? And, I really don't know the answer. LoveHC No other PL (FCS) football school has a facility like the Luth. To my knowledge, BC has the only FBS indoor practice facility in New England, and it opened very recently. BC's field is 120 yards, versus 100 yards at Luth. However, looking at photos, I think Luth's roof is higher. Compared to BC, Luth is built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Bryant has an indoor facility, but the ceiling is so low you can't kick or throw a long pass. Bryant's field house totally collapsed during construction, so methinks they may have economized on the design. HC may be the only PL school with both grass and (outside) field turf practice fields. Having been up close to both, can tell you BC's facility is markedly taller than the Luth....it's enormous. It looks very similar to Virginia Tech's building which is also enormous.
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Post by richh on Nov 13, 2018 10:05:36 GMT -5
Is it accurate to state that the HC football facilities from the Luth to the storied Fitton are second to none in the PL? And, I really don't know the answer. LoveHC No other PL (FCS) football school has a facility like the Luth. To my knowledge, BC has the only FBS indoor practice facility in New England, and it opened very recently. BC's field is 120 yards, versus 100 yards at Luth. However, looking at photos, I think Luth's roof is higher. Compared to BC, Luth is built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Bryant has an indoor facility, but the ceiling is so low you can't kick or throw a long pass. Bryant's field house totally collapsed during construction, so methinks they may have economized on the design. HC may be the only PL school with both grass and (outside) field turf practice fields. LUTH is indeed a marvelous facility. Holy Cross has every reason to be proud of it. Not guite accurate to claim that no other PL school has similar favilities. Lehigh has Rauch Field House on its Goodman Campus.
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Post by rickii on Nov 13, 2018 10:34:24 GMT -5
No other PL (FCS) football school has a facility like the Luth. To my knowledge, BC has the only FBS indoor practice facility in New England, and it opened very recently. BC's field is 120 yards, versus 100 yards at Luth. However, looking at photos, I think Luth's roof is higher. Compared to BC, Luth is built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Bryant has an indoor facility, but the ceiling is so low you can't kick or throw a long pass. Bryant's field house totally collapsed during construction, so methinks they may have economized on the design. HC may be the only PL school with both grass and (outside) field turf practice fields. LUTH is indeed a marvelous facility. Holy Cross has every reason to be proud of it. Not guite accurate to claim that no other PL school has similar favilities. Lehigh has Rauch Field House on its Goodman Campus. Rauch has plenty of lateral space but appears to have lower ceiling than Luth. Also, the floor is multi-purpose as opposed to the FieldTurf within Luth. A football practice would require sneakers rather than turf shoes by players.
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Post by richh on Nov 13, 2018 11:05:25 GMT -5
Well, agree no punting or KOs inside but roof ample for all else.The surface is not field turf but players can wear cleats . They switch to their soccer style cleats used for slick fields. Regardless both facilities are excellent. As are Lafayette's nw complex.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 13, 2018 11:06:17 GMT -5
Fish field house at BC has a 'ceiling height' of 69 feet. Whether ceiling height is to the roof or to the bottom of the trusses for the roof is unclear. ngscsports.com/2018/08/04/boston-college-football/From the construction drawing for Luth Elevation (above MSL) of the floor of Luth is 683' 6" Top of the clerestory at top of Luth is 760' above MSL, which would be a non-ceiling height of 77 feet. Subtracting the height of trusses would give a Luth ceiling height of perhaps 65-67 feet.
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Post by gks on Nov 13, 2018 11:10:25 GMT -5
I'm going to go by the eye ball test....
BC's indoor football facility is AWESOME. Shows what ACC money can do. UConn's is very nice as well. Houses everything for football. Offices, training table, meeting space, etc. For an FCS school the Luth is top notch. Cannot be argued.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 13, 2018 12:01:05 GMT -5
No other PL (FCS) football school has a facility like the Luth. To my knowledge, BC has the only FBS indoor practice facility in New England, and it opened very recently. BC's field is 120 yards, versus 100 yards at Luth. However, looking at photos, I think Luth's roof is higher. Compared to BC, Luth is built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Bryant has an indoor facility, but the ceiling is so low you can't kick or throw a long pass. Bryant's field house totally collapsed during construction, so methinks they may have economized on the design. HC may be the only PL school with both grass and (outside) field turf practice fields. LUTH is indeed a marvelous facility. Holy Cross has every reason to be proud of it. Not guite accurate to claim that no other PL school has similar favilities. Lehigh has Rauch Field House on its Goodman Campus. Having something that is "similar" is not the same as saying it is as good or better. By no means does it say that it is the only "good" Facility in the PL...just the best (at present). BC and UCONN are not PL (or even FCS) so that is a bit off topic. BUT, being able to compare what HC has to what those schools offer is a huge step up from where we were not long ago.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 13, 2018 14:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 20, 2018 11:16:11 GMT -5
Contact period for recruiting starts Sunday, Nov. 25th. Over the next 5 days considered Quiet Period. They can contact the players until Dec. 17th.
Signing day is Wednesday Dec. 19th. 4 weeks from tomorrow.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 11:50:14 GMT -5
May there be glad tidings leading into the Christmas Season!
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Post by breezy on Nov 20, 2018 12:03:23 GMT -5
One thing that may impact our recruiting over the next four weeks is whether any of our current seniors will decide to seek a medical red-shirt year and return as 5th year seniors for the 2019 season. I think there are several players that may be eligible but I do not know if any of them want to get a red-shirt year.
(If anyone has any information on that but does not want to post it publicly, I'd be happy to receive a PM which would remain confidential.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 20, 2018 12:49:49 GMT -5
Rory Costello, OL starter, comes first to mind for me. He got injured in one of the first few games--perhaps he'd be eligible for a medical redshirt?
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Post by breezy on Nov 23, 2018 15:29:52 GMT -5
Holy Cross offeree and verbal commit LB JACOB DOBBS is in action today in Michigan divisional state championship game. Some tweets:
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Post by ge on Nov 23, 2018 16:00:23 GMT -5
Just watched the game. Jacob Dobbs was no doubt the player of the game during Warren De La Salle's Division II Michigan state championship win. He had close to 20 tackles and was all over the field. Only negative and I'm being honest here, he's a little too chippy and took a couple of cheap shots and taunted the opposition towards the end of the game. Hey, some may like that characteristic in a player but with the game already decided, I thought it was unnecessary. He's a very tough kid who will play a lot at HC and possibly be a star, IMO.
PS - De La Salle is the high school offormer HC great and Kansas Chief LB Jerry McCabe and Don Zielinski LB?
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Post by breezy on Nov 23, 2018 16:47:03 GMT -5
Post-game interview:
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