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Post by HC92 on Jan 27, 2019 22:06:06 GMT -5
Is he coming in as WR or DB He had 10 receptions on offense his senior year and 5 receptions on defense. I’m guessing he’s going to be a DB.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 27, 2019 22:10:27 GMT -5
Only other offer I saw to Haskins after ours was Abilene Christian. I did learn that he was the holder in high school for a kicker who is going to LSU next year to replace Cole Tracy. This guy hit a 59-yarder in some Under Armour high school all-star game.
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 28, 2019 9:20:26 GMT -5
Agree HC92. Including ours a total of 11 offers. So according to the updated roster (Doherty no longer on the roster) there is 1 roster spot left after adding the 4 verbals from this time period.
My understanding was there were a few kids on campus this weekend including the long snapper, Spencer (DB from GA), Hayek (WR from NJ) and a few DL. Depending on how many more verbals they get will also probably let us know if they expect further attrition. Based on the WR and DBs that have either signed or verballed my personal hope is for a DL based on what left the roster.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 28, 2019 10:30:14 GMT -5
Prosper Texas is an affluent suburb in far northwest Metro Dallas-Ft Worth, in a fast growing area. Population was under 10,000 in 2010 census and is now about 26,000. The school has grown accordingly and has moved up in athletic classes many times and is now in 6A with just under 3,000 students. Davis Webb, NJ Jets QB (on the team, but I don't think he sees game action) went to Prosper High School. I could be wrong but I think 6A is the highest classification in Texas. Same division as Permian, so, yes. OT: Boy, high schools in the West are a lot bigger than the ones here!
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Post by timholycross on Jan 28, 2019 10:33:02 GMT -5
More recruiting activity from today -- Adam Guillemette, 6-1, 210, is a long snapper from the Loomis Chafee School in Connecticut. Review of his Twitter is interesting -- has visited numerous schools and attended numerous camps. Does play a position other than LS? No way a FCS school can spend more than a half scholarship (or perhaps even a bit less) on a only-does-that long snapper.
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Post by breezy on Jan 28, 2019 10:55:16 GMT -5
I do not like discussing whether an offer includes a full scholarship, a half-scholarship, a guarantee of a roster slot, or some variation thereof -- and, indeed, I have been asked by the staff not to do so.
But speaking generally, I would agree that a long-snapper who does not fill any other role (and I do not know whether that would be true of Adam G) would generally not get much in the way of scholarship money.
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 28, 2019 10:56:19 GMT -5
On his twitter indicates he plays OLB. The offer may very well be - "we are offering you the chance to play football here" . "Offer" in today's world used very loosely. I see kids claiming an "offer" from a D3 school which as we all know is impossible if "offer" refers to scholarship.
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Post by richh on Jan 28, 2019 11:56:34 GMT -5
On his twitter indicates he plays OLB. The offer may very well be - "we are offering you the chance to play football here" . "Offer" in today's world used very loosely. I see kids claiming an "offer" from a D3 school which as we all know is impossible if "offer" refers to scholarship. At the FBS level in football the terms are synonymous. Not so for FCS or D2. LS offers are usually PWOs. Rarely on schollie. That said Lehigh's LS is on a partial. He was heavily recruited solely as a LS.
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 28, 2019 12:17:57 GMT -5
Hero Sports putting out conference by conference rankings and positional rankings each day up to Signing Day. Patriot League rankings being published on Wed, Jan. 30th. Looks like top 30 recruits regardless of position in the league. My guess is it would include those who have verbally committed since the first signing day as well as the commits from Dec. 19th.
On Feb. 11th they will then rank the top 50 FCS recruiting classes and the top 250 players regardless of position.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 28, 2019 12:28:57 GMT -5
Hero Sports putting out conference by conference rankings and positional rankings each day up to Signing Day. Patriot League rankings being published on Wed, Jan. 30th. Looks like top 30 recruits regardless of position in the league. My guess is it would include those who have verbally committed since the first signing day as well as the commits from Dec. 19th. On Feb. 11th they will then rank the top 50 FCS recruiting classes and the top 250 players regardless of position. Nice to be in a spot where these sorts of things are of interest to us.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 28, 2019 12:30:24 GMT -5
On his twitter indicates he plays OLB. The offer may very well be - "we are offering you the chance to play football here" . "Offer" in today's world used very loosely. I see kids claiming an "offer" from a D3 school which as we all know is impossible if "offer" refers to scholarship. At the FBS level in football the terms are synonymous. Not so for FCS or D2. LS offers are usually PWOs. Rarely on schollie. That said Lehigh's LS is on a partial. He was heavily recruited solely as a LS. Thanks, guys. Seems like one way or another the staff is seeing the situation the way a rank amateur like myself is seeing the situation.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 28, 2019 14:47:54 GMT -5
Did we have a report earlier in this thread (maybe I should just go look--but thought someone might know) about the top 100 FCS signees with HC having a few of them?
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 28, 2019 15:00:46 GMT -5
I think they had reports back in October on who were the top verbal commitments at that time and HC had quite a number of them, however those rankings have definitely changed since the first signing period and verbal commits since then.
For example, I believe Kam Molton was in the top 30 verbal commit reports in October for DB's, but he wasn't in Hero Sports most recent Top 30 DB's in the country.
I think HC has a chance of Morris being in the top 30 TE commits. Possibly McMurtrie and Blessing on the OL. Regardless this is stacking up to be a talented class, based purely on all of the offers each players has received and really is the only way to judge it on paper at this point.
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Post by breezy on Jan 28, 2019 15:57:27 GMT -5
Some other HC offerees are making decisions. Two Californians who were the subject of recent posts have committed -- DE Cole Aubrey to Princeton and ATH Deavyn Woullard to Air Force. OL Spencer Harris from Illinois (who at one point had posted about an official offer received from HC) has committed to Georgetown.
I reluctantly have to disagree with the poster who thought we were doing better against HYP. They still seem to be winning the majority of the battles.
Interesting that 247 Sports ranks Holy Cross as having the best recruiting class in the PL (not a surprise) but that Georgetown is #2 and Fordham is #3. (Fordham is getting a couple of highly-regarded transfers but they are not considered as part of the recruiting class.) However, 247 Sports has not done a good job in reporting recent commitments (still does not show Jordan Forrest as part of HC's class), so those rankings may change.
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 28, 2019 16:47:20 GMT -5
Morris the 7th rated TE recruit in the country at FCS per Hero Sports.
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 28, 2019 18:59:09 GMT -5
Jordan Hull to Lafayette. Interesting.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 28, 2019 19:37:59 GMT -5
Jordan Hull to Lafayette. Interesting. With recent verbals from Asante and Coulson who are both WR, and Haskins who's either a WR or DB, it's possible we no longer were pursuing Hull. I'll defer to breezy who knows our recruiting situation much better than me.
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Post by breezy on Jan 28, 2019 19:44:02 GMT -5
I don't have any specific information, but I suspect we have filled our quota of WR's in this recruiting class, and that left no room for Jordan. In a way, it is disappointing, because I would have liked to have seen Jordan at HC. I wish him well, but based on what I am reading on the Lafayette board, I feel that the situation there is not that great right now.
I think it's important to point out that Jordan was one of HC's first offers (he was offeree #4) but he never pulled the trigger and made a commitment. It's something that happens to quite a few recruits each year. They don't make a commitment hoping for a higher-level or better offer, and when that does not work out, possibilities that were open to them earlier are no longer available.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 28, 2019 19:47:06 GMT -5
breezy, I am afraid you are right. I hope Jordan makes the best of his choice and that it works out well for him.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 28, 2019 20:18:43 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I think 6A is the highest classification in Texas. Same division as Permian, so, yes. OT: Boy, high schools in the West are a lot bigger than the ones here! Prosper has a mere 2,975 students. The largest in the classification is Allen at 6,664. The smallest is Dallas Jesuit at 1,117.
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Post by inhocsigno on Jan 28, 2019 20:33:36 GMT -5
I don't have any specific information, but I suspect we have filled our quota of WR's in this recruiting class, and that left no room for Jordan. In a way, it is disappointing, because I would have liked to have seen Jordan at HC. I wish him well, but based on what I am reading on the Lafayette board, I feel that the situation there is not that great right now. I think it's important to point out that Jordan was one of HC's first offers (he was offeree #4) but he never pulled the trigger and made a commitment. It's something that happens to quite a few recruits each year. They don't make a commitment hoping for a higher-level or better offer, and when that does not work out, possibilities that were open to them earlier are no longer available. Could be any number of reasons on both sides. He may have felt like forging his own path instead of following his father's footsteps. Of note, the coach at Laf in his Twitter announcement is former HC assistant Luke Thompson, who coached with Lee under DA. Best of luck to him, except when they play us.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 29, 2019 7:17:00 GMT -5
... I reluctantly have to disagree with the poster who thought we were doing better against HYP. They still seem to be winning the majority of the battles. While I wouldn't anticipate beating out HYP (agree the other poster was off base) - our front-loaded recruiting this year is (IMHO) one indication of an improved recruit class in any case. I'm boldly predicting a few of our recruits will break in as difference makers (quite possible in the PL) as we seem to be landing quality kids to fill projected needs. (Obviously there is one nagging concern related to the most important position on the field and I look forward to Coach Chesney's decision on that one.)
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Post by breezy on Jan 29, 2019 9:38:28 GMT -5
I think there is general consensus -- the 247 Sports analysis, the Hero Sports articles, comments by Richh and Andy (Lehigh and Lafayette recruit experts respectively), etc. -- that HC has put together a very respectable (on paper) recruit class. To have three 3* recruits, and eight (in total) rated recruits, within the 18 commitments to date is, I believe, better than any prior recruit class in the scholarship era. And, in my humble opinion, although the initial focus will be on these rated recruits, a couple or more of the unrated recruits may turn out to be the real gems in this class.
Of course, I think we should emphasize that this is all "on paper," and the true test will be how these recruits perform over the next four years.
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 29, 2019 9:50:01 GMT -5
Agreed on all accounts Breezy. Kreimer with offers from Richmond, MAC schools, Army, Elon not rated. Forrest with 10 offers not rated, Coulson with 13 offers not rated. Just to name a few. The only way to truly judge how a recruiting stacks up is the number of other offers and the level of offer. No perfect indication the player will work out that way, but generally speaking I'd take a kid with 12 offers and no stars, rather than a kid with 2* and 4 offers.
Still would love a beef eater on the DL, but the quality of recruit based on the interest level from other schools on almost every recruit is very impressive.
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Post by breezy on Jan 29, 2019 10:09:06 GMT -5
Our newest commit, Devin Haskins, is rated 2* (5.3) by Rivals. At the time of his commitment, he was not rated by 247 Sports.
Lo and behold, in one of those "magical" changes, I see this morning that Haskins is now rated 2* (79) by 247 Sports. That makes him our highest rated 2* recruit, with a higher rating that Dobbs and Butash.
Ultimately, this is just another indication that the ratings are very fickle and very often are not a real indicator of future performance by the recruit. (This is in no way meant to reflect on Haskins, Dobbs, or Butash -- the only intent here is to focus on the fallibility and unreliability of the ratings.)
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