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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 22:02:15 GMT -5
I am sure this question has been answered throughout this 58 page thread and will apologize ahead of time
When a college extends hundreds of offers to perspective players, what prevents them from exceeding their limit on signing day? How do schools make sure they hit the right number in February?
What is the process for high school seniors deciding to leave early to participate in spring ball? Is that allowed at HC? Thanks ahead of time for the insight
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Post by gks on Feb 11, 2019 7:32:12 GMT -5
I am sure this question has been answered throughout this 58 page thread and will apologize ahead of time When a college extends hundreds of offers to perspective players, what prevents them from exceeding their limit on signing day? How do schools make sure they hit the right number in February? What is the process for high school seniors deciding to leave early to participate in spring ball? Is that allowed at HC? Thanks ahead of time for the insightThis is done by BC quite a bit. The Lindstrom brothers and Isaac Yiadom, Doherty High School in Worcester who is now with the Broncos, graduated early from HS and entered BC in the spring semester of their senior year of HS. Advantage is allows players to get into the program early, participate in spring practice and get a semester of classes done and out of the way. No clue if HC would ever allow this but I think I know the answer.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 11, 2019 9:28:08 GMT -5
With regard to the first part about recruits I know the following (information obtained from someone I know who has been player personnel director at a number of FBS schools - comment not intended to sound "know it all ish").
His words to me were - you can't get a kid unless you offer, so thus the 177 offers HC made this year. As kids commit they pull offers from others at the same position. As an example - HC got 3 OL very early. The would have either stopped recruiting the rest of the OL recruits - kind of like no longer calling a girlfriend when you're not interested anymore (ghosting), called them and said we have the guys we want, we wish you the best; If another OL wanted to come they would say - we have the guys we want right now - we no longer have a scholarship for you - a verbal "offer" isn't in perpetuity.
As the recruiting period progresses the coaches will be honest with kids basically saying - we have x number of scholarships at WR let's say - we are recruiting 3 of you right now and we like you all, but we need an answer - and basically the first kid to step up will get the offer; granted behind the scenes they are probably telling each kid we want you the most so we want you to sign, etc.
If they got into a situation where a bunch of kids from the same position wanted to sign on the same exact day, they would have to be blunt and say we are signing player X, we don't have room for you right now - I think this happens very very rarely.
None of this information is set in stone as each group of coaches has their own tactics, but based on my conversations this is a rough sketch of how it all transpires with many exceptions to these rules along the way.
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2019 10:25:55 GMT -5
This is an official offer made by Holy Cross to DL Cliff Funderburk of Texas (who eventually committed to Texas A&M Commerce, a D-2 school).
Note at the bottom of the offer it states 3 conditions:
1. Meet all NCAA eligibility requirements; 2. Meet all admission requirements for Holy Cross; and 3. Availability of scholarships remaining at your position.
So, once Holy Cross has filled its quota of recruits at a specific position, offers to remaining recruits for that position are effectively withdrawn.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 11, 2019 10:28:27 GMT -5
Keep an eye out for Hero Rankings on Top 50 classes as well as top 250 recruits at the FCS level in the nation at Noon EST. We all agree it's an inexact science, but if anyone is on top of the FCS scene it's Hero Sports. Good, free publicity for the schools as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:34:55 GMT -5
With regard to the first part about recruits I know the following (information obtained from someone I know who has been player personnel director at a number of FBS schools - comment not intended to sound "know it all ish"). His words to me were - you can't get a kid unless you offer, so thus the 177 offers HC made this year. As kids commit they pull offers from others at the same position. As an example - HC got 3 OL very early. The would have either stopped recruiting the rest of the OL recruits - kind of like no longer calling a girlfriend when you're not interested anymore (ghosting), called them and said we have the guys we want, we wish you the best; If another OL wanted to come they would say - we have the guys we want right now - we no longer have a scholarship for you - a verbal "offer" isn't in perpetuity. As the recruiting period progresses the coaches will be honest with kids basically saying - we have x number of scholarships at WR let's say - we are recruiting 3 of you right now and we like you all, but we need an answer - and basically the first kid to step up will get the offer; granted behind the scenes they are probably telling each kid we want you the most so we want you to sign, etc. If they got into a situation where a bunch of kids from the same position wanted to sign on the same exact day, they would have to be blunt and say we are signing player X, we don't have room for you right now - I think this happens very very rarely. None of this information is set in stone as each group of coaches has their own tactics, but based on my conversations this is a rough sketch of how it all transpires with many exceptions to these rules along the way. This is a great explanation and thanks so much for taking the time to share.
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Post by scrantonsader on Feb 11, 2019 11:37:41 GMT -5
I am sure this question has been answered throughout this 58 page thread and will apologize ahead of time When a college extends hundreds of offers to perspective players, what prevents them from exceeding their limit on signing day? How do schools make sure they hit the right number in February? What is the process for high school seniors deciding to leave early to participate in spring ball? Is that allowed at HC? Thanks ahead of time for the insightThis is done by BC quite a bit. The Lindstrom brothers and Isaac Yiadom, Doherty High School in Worcester who is now with the Broncos, graduated early from HS and entered BC in the spring semester of their senior year of HS. Advantage is allows players to get into the program early, participate in spring practice and get a semester of classes done and out of the way. No clue if HC would ever allow this but I think I know the answer. The College values their "First Year" program Montserrat too much to allow an early enrollment to mess up that coursework. Beyond that, our ever beloved GSR or Graduation Success Rate would surely be affected, would it not? Based on the academic policy and vision structure that is in place, it would require more flexibility on the school side of things than I'm sure is comfortable. We finally have summer school and that was a big step in the right direction. Maybe it is possible someday...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:44:34 GMT -5
It's amazing to me how much the recruiting process has changed in just ten years. Has the use of social media (players putting on uniforms), coaches/players tweeting all day increased the percentage of player's quitting or transferring in the first two years?
I know this is part of the game now, however, just wondered if the increased use of social media prior to the arrival on campus has led to more player's quitting/transferring compared to previous years.
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Post by gks on Feb 11, 2019 12:37:25 GMT -5
This is done by BC quite a bit. The Lindstrom brothers and Isaac Yiadom, Doherty High School in Worcester who is now with the Broncos, graduated early from HS and entered BC in the spring semester of their senior year of HS. Advantage is allows players to get into the program early, participate in spring practice and get a semester of classes done and out of the way. No clue if HC would ever allow this but I think I know the answer. The College values their "First Year" program Montserrat too much to allow an early enrollment to mess up that coursework. Beyond that, our ever beloved GSR or Graduation Success Rate would surely be affected, would it not? Based on the academic policy and vision structure that is in place, it would require more flexibility on the school side of things than I'm sure is comfortable. We finally have summer school and that was a big step in the right direction. Maybe it is possible someday... I don't think the graduation rate would be affected. They would just graduate in December instead of May.
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2019 12:37:47 GMT -5
Hero Sports showing Holy Cross with the #20 FCS recruiting class and six recruits in the Top 300 FCS Recruits:
81. Kiessling (OH -- DL) 144. McMurtrie (NJ - OL) 149. Coulson (FL - WR) 168. Blessing (MD - OL) 188. Morris (NJ - TE) 207. Kreimer (OH - WR)
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2019 13:15:28 GMT -5
Breezy, Where does this put us in the PL rankings ?
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 11, 2019 13:20:29 GMT -5
#1 in PL; Fordham came in at #29; Colgate at #45
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2019 13:21:45 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2019 13:22:27 GMT -5
Dharry 13 beat me to it.
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2019 16:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by richh on Feb 11, 2019 16:16:04 GMT -5
Congrats. A great group of recruits this year. Chesney is one heck of a recruiter.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2019 17:22:29 GMT -5
Hero Sports showing Holy Cross with the #20 FCS recruiting class and six recruits in the Top 300 FCS Recruits: 81. Kiessling (OH -- DL) 144. McMurtrie (NJ - OL) 149. Coulson (FL - WR) 168. Blessing (MD - OL) 188. Morris (NJ - TE) 207. Kreimer (OH - WR) For perspective, the list for the prior year included 250 players, not 300, and Holy Cross had two: 169= Justin Bruno (GA-RB) 177= Mason Copley (OH-DE) Okay-- for 2017 we had three 37= Connor Degenhardt (MA-QB) 92= Jordan Jackson (CA-DE) 116= Kyle Moses (CA-WR) I don't know if he enrolled--can't find him on rosters
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2019 17:43:34 GMT -5
Moses de-committed on the eve of National Signing Day and I believe he ended up signing with Nevada.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2019 17:44:31 GMT -5
It's amazing to me how much the recruiting process has changed in just ten years. Has the use of social media (players putting on uniforms), coaches/players tweeting all day increased the percentage of player's quitting or transferring in the first two years? I know this is part of the game now, however, just wondered if the increased use of social media has led to more player's quitting/transferring compared to prior years. Take it back 50 years and it was an even different world-lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 18:03:22 GMT -5
Moses de-committed on the eve of National Signing Day and I believe he ended up signing with Nevada. Do high school coaches get penalized by recruiters if one of their players changes last minute? My high school coach always thought this was a cardinal sin and that if one of his player's did this, it would jeopardize future opportunities for younger guys. Is that often the case or has this just become part of the "business"?
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2019 18:20:49 GMT -5
I don’t know the answer to your question. I know that some early commits are encouraged to, and do, apply for early admission, which involves a commitment to attend. I know of one instance where a recruit de- committed and went to another school even though he had been an early admit. I’m also aware of one situation where HC was concerned that a bigger school might make a run at a recruit who had verbally committed to HC, but were pleased to see that the high school coach made it known that he would not allow that to happen.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2019 23:41:59 GMT -5
Moses de-committed on the eve of National Signing Day and I believe he ended up signing with Nevada. I did some sleuthing. He is on the roster at UNLV. He redshirted as a freshman in 2017, then was moved to defensive back after Spring practice. I don't believe he saw any game action in 2018.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2019 6:44:34 GMT -5
Moses de-committed on the eve of National Signing Day and I believe he ended up signing with Nevada. Redshirted in 2017. Not recorded in any defensive stats in 2018. He is a CB, 5'9". Majoring in business.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 12, 2019 7:28:32 GMT -5
But at least he will have a UNLV degree.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 12, 2019 8:18:17 GMT -5
lol
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