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Post by richh on Feb 8, 2019 18:29:25 GMT -5
Well, I had been giving some thought to "retiring" from the job of tracking recruiting for Holy Cross football, but after all the praise that has been bestowed in recent days, I guess I'm going to have to put that aside. Thank you to all posters who have been so kind! I tried that a while back. It didnt hold.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2019 20:50:16 GMT -5
I liked retiring so much I have now done it three times. I think three is the charm and this time it will stick.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2019 21:25:25 GMT -5
Then I have hope Did it twice and when finished this time with the Milken team I might very well call it a day
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Post by richh on Feb 8, 2019 22:57:25 GMT -5
I liked retiring so much I have now done it three times. I think three is the charm and this time it will stick. I retired twice. Went back one more time. Realized shortly thereafter that our dream starting out was to someday have time for ourselves. Someday is here. Family,friends and football. The 3 essental Fs for a good retirement. One note. I notice a lot of posters are focusing on competing with the Ivies, particularly HYP. I have always felt that our path forward is to win more vs the Academies,MAC and CAA. Its nice to win a few more vs HYP but those wont be enuf to build the PL. I note we all do quite well vs the rest of the IL. Enjoyable but the players and numbers we need are not there.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 9, 2019 8:04:08 GMT -5
Two points to consider.
1,) Not all of HC's offers are full scollies. A full scollie roster would be 60 players, not 85 players receiving some amount of fin aid. To get to 85 means the number of full scollies on the roster is not more than a two-deep.
2.) The fin aid package at HYP is guaranteed (assuming family fin circumstances don't change) for all four years. A HYP player could be rostered his freshman year, then quit playing football (or be injured and prevented from ever playing again) and still retain whatever fin aid level he had received his freshman year. From all that I have heard, this is a big factor in the minds of parents.
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Post by richh on Feb 9, 2019 9:01:40 GMT -5
Two points to consider. 1,) Not all of HC's offers are full scollies. A full scollie roster would be 60 players, not 85 players receiving some amount of fin aid. To get to 85 means the number of full scollies on the roster is not more than a two-deep. 2.) The fin aid package at HYP is guaranteed (assuming family fin circumstances don't change) for all four years. A HYP player could be rostered his freshman year, then quit playing football (or be injured and prevented from ever playing again) and still retain whatever fin aid level he had received his freshman year. From all that I have heard, this is a big factor in the minds of parents. Lehigh has a similar policy for aid. The one loophole for the PL,albeit small, is unrecruited WOs."Recruited" is a word of art under NCAA rules.Prosepects can be contacted and conversations had but no face to face contact or official campus visits. Any need aid they might receive would not count vs PL's 60 max.
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Post by breezy on Feb 9, 2019 9:07:53 GMT -5
With the late signings, and any position moves (e.g. Teeter moved from TE to WR) here's an updated look at the number of players by listed position for the past four seasons and for the upcoming one: Position= 15--16--17--18--19 number of rostered players
DB= 15--13--14--20--22 DL= 13--15--11--12--12 LB= 13--11--12--09--07 LS= 02--02--02--00--01 OL= 15--17--16--17--19 P/K=04--03--05--03--04 QB= 05--06--06--05--05 RB= 06--06--06--06--07 TE= 05--05--06--05--04 WR=15--11--12--13--11I thought I would take a look at the 2019 roster numbers by position from a somewhat different perspective. The 2019 roster currently has 22 seniors (including the five 5th-year seniors). The numbers in KY's post might look somewhat overloaded at DB (22) and OL (19). However, the breakdown of the 22 seniors by position shows the follwoing: OL -- 6 DB -- 5 RB -- 2 DL -- 2 TE -- 2 K/P -- 2 QB -- 1 WR -- 1 LB -- 1 Therefore, it seems to me that the staff has been looking forward and has already anticipated heavy graduation losses at DB and OL next year. From that perspective, the roster numbers do not look quite so overloaded.
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Post by flyer2sader on Feb 9, 2019 10:10:51 GMT -5
The only way for an athlete to lose their scholarship is if they quit the team or violate team rules. Performance on the field or injury does not make the athlete forfeit their scholarship
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Post by hcpride on Feb 9, 2019 11:04:06 GMT -5
Finally, I must admit to some bemusement without taking a position. To wit: A few years ago HC alums were complaining that our failure to offer athletic scholarships and rely only on need-based aid put HC at a competitive disadvantage. Now, it appears that offering athletic scholarships puts HC at a competitive disadvantage with the Ivies as they can offer unlimited need-based aid for athletes(Tangentially, as they do for non-athletes. Like most on this board I have a number of IL family and friends and they are adamant that these schools offer the same aid to athletes and non-athletes based on family income.) Back to my main point: It seems that HC is damned if it does offer athletic scholarships and damned if it doesn't offer athletic scholarships. Interesting. LoveHC My take (and perhaps an explanation for some conflation/confusion on the part of some posters): 1. Excepting HYP for a moment, HC was at a competitive disadvantage in recruiting without football schollies (v many non PL FCS schools). Again excepting HYP, HC was at a bit of a competitive disadvantage in recruiting in terms of practice facilities (v. many FCS schools). 2. Excepting HYP again, we have gained competitive advantages in recruiting by bringing back football schollies and improving our facilities. (So we are not damned for bringing back football schollies and updating our practice facilities...both are helping in recruit battles.) 3. Now bringing HYP back in the picture, HC's decisive competitive disadvantages v HYP in recruiting were not lack of football schollies and outdated facilities. That is why additions in both of these categories cannot be expected to yield increased victories in recruit battles with HYP. (Note: There are exceptions to generalities.) ---------- 4. It is also true that HYP financial aid policies nowadays apply equally to all students at the institution and enable many students (including athletes) to attend free of cost.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 9, 2019 12:00:13 GMT -5
Two points to consider. 1,) Not all of HC's offers are full scollies. A full scollie roster would be 60 players, not 85 players receiving some amount of fin aid. To get to 85 means the number of full scollies on the roster is not more than a two-deep. 2.) The fin aid package at HYP is guaranteed (assuming family fin circumstances don't change) for all four years. A HYP player could be rostered his freshman year, then quit playing football (or be injured and prevented from ever playing again) and still retain whatever fin aid level he had received his freshman year. From all that I have heard, this is a big factor in the minds of parents. Lehigh has a similar policy for aid. The one loophole for the PL,albeit small, is unrecruited WOs."Recruited" is a word of art under NCAA rules.Prosepects can be contacted and conversations had but no face to face contact or official campus visits. Any need aid they might receive would not count vs PL's 60 max. Nope. HC not giving any additional aid beyond the 60 equivalencies to anyone on the roster.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 9, 2019 12:58:08 GMT -5
Thank you. Hopefully, at some point we will truly competitively succeed against all of our FCS opponents - PL, HYP and the Ivies and other OOC teams. And, maybe even give the big boys , FBS teams a run for the money and pick up an occasional win. Go Cross Go. LoveHC We can and will beat HYP on the gridiron. I was merely referencing football recruit battles (most of our targeted recruits are not simultaneously offered by HYP).
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Post by richh on Feb 9, 2019 21:00:23 GMT -5
Lehigh has a similar policy for aid. The one loophole for the PL,albeit small, is unrecruited WOs."Recruited" is a word of art under NCAA rules.Prosepects can be contacted and conversations had but no face to face contact or official campus visits. Any need aid they might receive would not count vs PL's 60 max. Nope. HC not giving any additional aid beyond the 60 equivalencies to anyone on the roster. A true WO makes the team yet HC will not give him need aid even if he qualifies as any other student? Are you sure about that. His need aid does not count vs 60 max.
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Post by southernsader on Feb 9, 2019 21:15:17 GMT -5
That does strain credulity.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 10, 2019 7:55:21 GMT -5
Nope. HC not giving any additional aid beyond the 60 equivalencies to anyone on the roster. A true WO makes the team yet HC will not give him need aid even if he qualifies as any other student? Are you sure about that. His need aid does not count vs 60 max. Then why not go recruit full need kids and get them in the back door that way?
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Post by richh on Feb 10, 2019 13:43:04 GMT -5
A true WO makes the team yet HC will not give him need aid even if he qualifies as any other student? Are you sure about that. His need aid does not count vs 60 max. Then why not go recruit full need kids and get them in the back door that way? All aid to recruited athletes counts. A true WO is not a recruited athlete therefore his aid doesnt count. So, unless you're the Academies or Ivies, once you recruit a player it makes no difference what tou call aid to him. It counts.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 10, 2019 16:39:43 GMT -5
With PL roster cap you can't Dick around w walk ons who miss camp. Need all 92 to be ready to help. Key under these rules is having full pay recruited kids who provide depth and develop. Jimmy Murray a great example.
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:03:33 GMT -5
Coach Chesney has tweeted some comments on the 7 new recruits who signed this week.
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:07:05 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 19:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 10, 2019 19:52:47 GMT -5
Love it !
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2019 20:01:38 GMT -5
I love Coach's pithy comments on each of the players--looking forward to watching them on the field. Tyrece Frater looks like he is going to be really special..as do a couple of the others.
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