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Post by Tom on Apr 13, 2018 15:40:01 GMT -5
Isn't that what this thread is? The title is COMMITTED! This gets tiring - this whole diatribe about some student athlete coming to HC and no one knows if he's a walk on or on scholarship or what, everyone tweeting and speculating, saying the kid has a limp or whatever. Furthermore, in light of all the nonsense still going on for months and months about suspensions, lack of info, certain people missing from certain photos, all of this, are example of the type of crap that a lot of folks are getting tired of. Seems like HC fans love HC basketball more than the college in many ways. I don't disagree. Not knowing is driving me cuckoo HC's past practice has been to make an announcement when a kid signs a letter of intent on his scholarship. There has been a walk on or two on the team basically every year and never an announcement. I don't think that it's a big failure on the part of the school that they don't announce walk-ons. Is it common practice for P-5 schools to put out a press release for a walk on? Assuming this kid is a walk-on we're making mountains out of mole hills. If this kid is going to be on scholarship, the school will issue a press release when he signs the dotted line In terms of the suspensions, I'm thinking nothing has been said because there is nothing to be said. Players are suspended pending the results of an on-going investigation. When that investigation is concluded a determination about the next step can be made Yup. . . I'm frustrated at the not knowing. Still I also understand the potential logic in not issuing press releases for nothing and I don't interpret the silence as a poor job from the athletic department
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Post by DiMarz on Apr 14, 2018 7:43:00 GMT -5
They're out there. I see them every weekend at AAU. 6'10", 6'11" guys. They don't all become starters at P5 schools. Some go and are back-ups, others walk on, others go to mid and low majors, D2, or D3, some quit, some get hurt. They are there. Give me another Matt Husek any day of the week. If HC wants to compete with schools like yours, it has to find a way. As for Villanova, give me one person at HC with even close to the talent level of one of their starting 5 and their NBA caliber 6th man in Divencenzo and I will quit harping on my 6'11" center dreams. Yes they are out there! But what percentage of them have the grades to get into HC? What percentage of HS/Prep players can get into HC? VERY low I'd guess..So the pool is very shallow to start, and many climb to higher water!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2018 8:11:47 GMT -5
The Patriot League had 5 players 6-10 or taller last season. Four of them played sparingly, suggesting that they were not highly skilled or, perhaps, were injured. I've included the "O-Rating" for reference as it is readily available. Of course, we know that defense may be their strong suit.
Bucknell-- Nana Foulland, 6-10, played 71% of minutes and is obviously the type of player any team would kill to land. 111 O-Rating, PL all star
Boston U- Sukhmail Mathon, 6-10, 27% of minutes--a freshman, 81 O-Rating
American U- Matt Cimino, 6-10, 16% of minutes, 70 O-Rating and commits fouls. Jesse Little, 6-10, 35% of minutes. 99 O-Rating, commits fouls
Lehigh- Caleb Sedore, 6-11, 3% of minutes. Played 35 total minutes and committed 9 fouls.
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Apr 14, 2018 9:08:50 GMT -5
The big bigs are being restocked a bit with this years PL recruiting classes in:
Liam Courtney, 6'11, 205, Colgate Sean Good, 6'10, 205, Lafayette Nic Lynch, 6'10, 265, Lehigh
Lynch is probably the most interesting prospect to me but all of them had offers to P5 programs at one point, though likely uncommitable ones.
Regardless height is often used as a proxy for the more important measure, length and wingspan (see Draymond Green).
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Post by bison137 on Apr 14, 2018 9:13:53 GMT -5
The Patriot League had 5 players 6-10 or taller last season. Four of them played sparingly, suggesting that they were not highly skilled or, perhaps, were injured. I've included the "O-Rating" for reference as it is readily available. Of course, we know that defense may be their strong suit. Bucknell-- Nana Foulland, 6-10, played 71% of minutes and is obviously the type of player any team would kill to land. 111 O-Rating, PL all star Boston U- Sukhmail Mathon, 6-10, 27% of minutes--a freshman, 81 O-Rating American U- Matt Cimino, 6-10, 16% of minutes, 70 O-Rating and commits fouls. Jesse Little, 6-10, 35% of minutes. 99 O-Rating, commits fouls Lehigh- Caleb Sedore, 6-11, 3% of minutes. Played 35 total minutes and committed 9 fouls. It's definitely safe to say that the majority of PL players 6-10 or taller have not been difference-makers. In addition to your list, there were three other players 6-10+ who were hurt for most/all of this year: Lehigh's Josh Wolf, Lehigh's Jack Lieb, and AU's Mark Gasperini. Gasperini is a very good player, when healthy. The other two may not ever be healthy, and likely won't contribute much even if they are. In the past three years, the PL has had three 7-footers that I can recall: Loyola's Dylan Gollihar, Boston U's Dylan Haines, and American's Gabe Brown. Haines played a bit off the bench but was hardly a difference-maker. The other two rarely played. One other piece of PL big man trivia. Lafayette a few years ago brought in three 6-10 players in one recruiting class: Nathaniel Musters, Billy Murphy, and Ben Freeland. Two were scholarship players and all stayed at LC for four years. Their senior year Lafayette went 3-15 in the PL, despite all of the height they provided.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 14, 2018 9:18:14 GMT -5
The big bigs are being restocked a bit with this years PL recruiting classes in: Liam Courtney, 6'11, 205, Colgate Sean Good, 6'10, 205, Lafayette Nic Lynch, 6'10, 265, Lehigh Lynch is probably the most interesting prospect to me but all of them had offers to P5 programs at one point, though likely uncommitable ones. As you say, many players who are very tall as sophs get early P5 offers. Many are "uncommitable", thrown out there to build up a relationship with the player in case he develops into a very good player and not just a tall one. The three you list all had one very early P5 offer, but I question whether any of those offers were on the table by the end of their junior year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 14, 2018 10:38:49 GMT -5
6'11 vs 6'10 vs 6'9 vs 6'8 vs (even) 6'7 OR 6'12 isn't as important as bringing in guys who can actually play in the paint - both offensively and defensively.
It seems that we have totally gotten away from that, and are now more concerned with simply whether or not someone is a good 3 point shooter. Thus, we have far too many guys who don't have a position and it puts us in very tough shape in defense and rebounding.
We need to get back to recruiting complementary pieces to strategically build out a roster, and not just tossing offers around to anyone with good form shooting 3's on their highlight tape.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 14, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -5
I like to look at this way, if I am looking at a real, real tall guy: if the guy was 6-1, with the same level skills and athletic ability, would he still be the same level prospect? I'll take a productive 6-8 guy over a non-productive 7-0 player any day of the week. I always think of AK34: there have not been many guys taller than him during the history of the PL that I would rather have on my team. Some, but not very many. Besides, who knows just how big some of these guys are anyway.....is there such a thing as a "legit 6-11"?
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Post by joutsHC77 on Apr 14, 2018 16:43:11 GMT -5
6'11 vs 6'10 vs 6'9 vs 6'8 vs (even) 6'7 OR 6'12 isn't as important as bringing in guys who can actually play in the paint - both offensively and defensively. It seems that we have totally gotten away from that, and are now more concerned with simply whether or not someone is a good 3 point shooter. Thus, we have far too many guys who don't have a position and it puts us in very tough shape in defense and rebounding. We need to get back to recruiting complementary pieces to strategically build out a roster, and not just tossing offers around to anyone with good form shooting 3's on their highlight tape. Yes, play down low, score and play tough D and rebound!
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COMMITTED!
Apr 14, 2018 19:43:09 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2018 19:43:09 GMT -5
I like to look at this way, if I am looking at a real, real tall guy: if the guy was 6-1, with the same level skills and athletic ability, would he still be the same level prospect? I'll take a productive 6-8 guy over a non-productive 7-0 player any day of the week. I always think of AK34: there have not been many guys taller than him during the history of the PL that I would rather have on my team. Some, but not very many. Besides, who knows just how big some of these guys are anyway.....is there such a thing as a "legit 6-11"?
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COMMITTED!
Apr 14, 2018 19:53:18 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2018 19:53:18 GMT -5
I like to look at this way, if I am looking at a real, real tall guy: if the guy was 6-1, with the same level skills and athletic ability, would he still be the same level prospect? I'll take a productive 6-8 guy over a non-productive 7-0 player any day of the week. I always think of AK34: there have not been many guys taller than him during the history of the PL that I would rather have on my team. Some, but not very many. Besides, who knows just how big some of these guys are anyway.....is there such a thing as a "legit 6-11"? Here’s my AK34 story: my daughter, HC 2009, and I drove up to Athens Ohio on her Xmas break to watch HC play Ohio University. AK 34 missed a foul shot and then dove onto the floor and ripped the rebound away from an Ohio U player. No one was going to keep him from that rebound. It was astounding to see his tenacity. He demonstrated his talent, too, when, as Ralph said, he began to “play within himself”. AK 34 is near the top of my list of favorite Crusaders of this millennium along with TT, PB, AB..... AK sat behind us at the NCAA win over Southern U and we had a nice chat
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Post by ncaam on Apr 17, 2018 5:57:38 GMT -5
We needed practice players. Now we got ‘em.
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