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Post by sader1970 on Jul 24, 2018 19:35:14 GMT -5
It helps Yale with a few things in their favor. First, outside of Army (West Point) never playing us at home, Yale has stacked the deck against us. We are 0-7-0 at home against the Elis and are 4-21-0 at their place. That's 7 home games vs. 25 away games.
I watched us beat them in the Yale Bowl after a long hiatus playing them (17 years, back to 1950) and what happened after we beat them in '67? They didn't play us again until 1981. They also decided to renege on a return trip to Worcester after taking them a double OT to beat us in 2008 at their place. So, we resume the rivalry and do they start off the series in Worcester? No, we have to start by playing at their place.
Probably very little chance but beating them at Fitton would be especially sweet.
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Post by cmo on Jul 24, 2018 20:55:10 GMT -5
With Reno a local guy, they may start coming to Worcester more often .
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2018 21:20:26 GMT -5
Sader70, Sadly, you are right on target about the frequency of HC futility against Yale.. Of course that one HC win in the Yale bowl (which I got to see) to spoil what might have been Yale's undefeated season was very sweet indeed.
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Post by 6sader7 on Jul 24, 2018 22:05:35 GMT -5
We beat them at the Yale Bowl my Junior year, so 2005.
I believe Silva took a punt return to the house to help facilitate that.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2018 6:01:21 GMT -5
Happy to say I was at both wins . . . . but also many losses.☹️
I expect a totally totally different outcome in Fitton than the Yale Bowl.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 25, 2018 7:15:18 GMT -5
It helps Yale with a few things in their favor. First, outside of Army (West Point) never playing us at home, Yale has stacked the deck against us. We are 0-7-0 at home against the Elis and are 4-21-0 at their place. That's 7 home games vs. 25 away games. I watched us beat them in the Yale Bowl after a long hiatus playing them (17 years, back to 1950) and what happened after we beat them in '67? They didn't play us again until 1981. They also decided to renege on a return trip to Worcester after taking them a double OT to beat us in 2008 at their place. So, we resume the rivalry and do they start off the series in Worcester? No, we have to start by playing at their place. Probably very little chance but beating them at Fitton would be especially sweet. 0-7 should have been 1-6. Dan Allen, God rest his soul, gave them a game in 2001, worse than anything Gilmore ever did. Still pissed about that one 17 years later.
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Post by gks on Jul 25, 2018 7:43:01 GMT -5
That Yale 2001 game was tough. If I remember right there was a muffed reverse near the end zone that was wide open for an HC touchdown.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2018 7:48:27 GMT -5
I am sure that I was at that game but don't recall the details of the 23-22 loss. Incidentally, we also lost another one point loss to Yale at home in 1981, 29-28. That one I am sure I was not at.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 25, 2018 13:52:40 GMT -5
I am sure that I was at that game but don't recall the details of the 23-22 loss. Incidentally, we also lost another one point loss to Yale at home in 1981, 29-28. That one I am sure I was not at. And that was a one-pointer in 1981 (Rick Carter's first year) to a very very good Rich Diana/John Rogan Yale team. (The previous week Yale had beaten Navy in an upset and spent time in the National Top-20 rankings...this was the year before the IA/IAA split)
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Post by hc87 on Jul 25, 2018 17:12:03 GMT -5
That '81 Yale game was one of the best games I've ever seen at Fitton.
Lot of snakebit/improbable losses to those bahstids...time to close the gap.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 25, 2018 18:25:15 GMT -5
That win (26-14) in 1967 was outstanding. The papers that covered Yale tried to excuse the loss (and even said it should not "count") by claiming that it was the season opener and Yale did not have spring football. They all neglected to mention that Holy Cross did not have spring practice either (to placate Harvard and the Ivies). It was sweet.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2018 21:30:16 GMT -5
Glenn Grieco and Dick Giardi had outstanding games against Calvin Hill and Doonesbury (Brian Dowling). Believe it was Hill rolling out to the left with 3 blockers in front. Giardi did something I have never seen before or since, he knocked down all 3 blockers and while he did not personally make the tackle, he left the runner exposed for someone else to finish the play.
"Mad Dog" Giardi was a forerunner to Nick McBeath, only better.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 25, 2018 22:07:08 GMT -5
Those two as juniors were the dominant players on a strong defense as we went 6-3-1 in ‘66 with wins over Dartmouth (in a torrent) which previously had the longest win streak in the country and of course, bc
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 5:17:23 GMT -5
Glenn Grieco went on to become All New-England when that was a big thing and Giardi unfortunately died his senior year in his dorm room.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 26, 2018 6:02:46 GMT -5
I am sure that I was at that game but don't recall the details of the 23-22 loss. Incidentally, we also lost another one point loss to Yale at home in 1981, 29-28. That one I am sure I was not at. HC was up by 8 midway though the fourth quarter, had 4th and goal on the 6 or 7. Kicking game was doing well in that game; nevertheless Allen called for a fake, which didn't work. Yale drove down the field and scored, missed the two, then got the ball back w/a minute and a half to go and went drove for a winning fg at the buzzer. Guess Allen didn't think his defense could hold a two score cushion. Why else would you do that at that stage of the ballgame.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 26, 2018 8:44:52 GMT -5
Both Hill and Dowling played. Hill was contained by HC, but IIRC Dowling was injured in the second half.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 26, 2018 8:59:42 GMT -5
Both Hill and Dowling played. Hill was contained by HC, but IIRC Dowling was injured in the second half. From the BC Heights preview to the '67 BC-HC matchup so I wouldn't take it as gospel: Attachments:
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 9:06:13 GMT -5
At the time, I did not recognize the fame and importance of Dowling until he became famous as “BD” in Doonesbury.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 9:14:14 GMT -5
To the point of the article pride references, I long ago learned that especially in football, that just because team A beats team B after team B previously beat team C, does NOT guarantee the results when team A plays team C.
Just too many variables.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 26, 2018 9:37:55 GMT -5
Both Hill and Dowling played. Hill was contained by HC, but IIRC Dowling was injured in the second half. From the BC Heights preview to the '67 BC-HC matchup so I wouldn't take it as gospel: Interesting to see that some said HC was considering dropping football back in 1967. If a rumor last for over 50 years, does it qualify for membership in the Purple Knights?
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Post by rickii on Jul 26, 2018 10:18:41 GMT -5
From the BC Heights preview to the '67 BC-HC matchup so I wouldn't take it as gospel: Interesting to see that some said HC was considering dropping football back in 1967. If a rumor last for over 50 years, does it qualify for membership in the Purple Knights? I don't recall the year(s) in the 60's but there indeed was a radical group of professors, led by a Vince McBrien(sp), that had been yapping both on and off campus about getting rid of football. Thankfully, they were ignored.
I was at that '67 game as well and despite the good win, I vowed never to return to that old dump. Without question the worst football venue I've ever had the misfortune of attending.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 26, 2018 11:52:22 GMT -5
On the Yale f-ball site Dowling is listed as having played in all 9 games in the 1967 season. So, it appears that rgs318 was correct and the BC Heights was in error and possibly trying to mislead. No surprise. In this case HC 1, BC 0. Thanks Rob. Love HC Not so fast. The '67 game was the season opener for Yale and apparently their superstar was out and injured for at least part of it (and would be for the two following games also): www.si.com/vault/1967/12/04/611741/blue-power-wins-a-bowl-game (SI is not necessarily gospel either, in terms of the details) "Brian Dowling is what is more important. He is daring and cool and wonderful. He is, as they say at the tail-gate picnics before Ivy League games, simply mawvelous. He is a junior quarterback who runs just fast enough to get away from people, who throws just well enough to complete the big ones and who has this winning electricity about him. Dowling has made Yale an eastern power again, and already he makes the collegiate football fan eager for 1968. Although he has another season of eligibility, there is no assurance that Dowling will be around for next year. He is a football hero who, during his career, has bruised a kidney, chipped his backbone, torn a knee, broken a collarbone, broken his nose and broken a hand. Because of these inconveniences, he missed 7½ games last season and Yale was pretty ordinary. He also missed the first three games this year, and Yale was no better. Ah, but then. In the past six games Dowling led Yale past Columbia, Cornell, Dart-mouth, Penn, Princeton and Harvard to its first Ivy League championship since 1960. He did it by running and passing for more than 900 yards and for 13 touchdowns. " In Yale lore he is known as a quarterback who never lost a football game in high school or college. (He may have been injured early v HC and this accounts for BC and SI and Yale lore writeup/shorthand)
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 26, 2018 15:08:06 GMT -5
I wish I could find some of the articles from Yale apologists who blamed the loss on Yale not having spring practice as Holy Cross did. Of course, HC did not - in order to placate the Ivies (especially Harvard). Their "superstar" was Calvin Hill, not Dowling, and Hill played but (thanks to the HC defense) he did not play well.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 26, 2018 15:21:16 GMT -5
Been to a couple games at the Bowl....while impressive in a historical sense, it is a terrible venue to actually watch a game....stands go out&up fast....almost the inverse of Fitton in that regard.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 15:47:47 GMT -5
Admittedly, this part of my recollection is a bit vague but . . . . pretty sure that Dowling played in the game but was injured during the game against us. Don't recall if that would have been early or late in the game. And reinforcing what others have already posted, Calvin Hill was considered the big offensive Yale threat, not Dowling. Of course, Hill went on to play in the NFL and to my recollection, Dowling did not.
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