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Post by wheeler5 on Jul 19, 2018 8:58:38 GMT -5
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the Pine-esque hype about our new coach, i.e., the Chesney "era?"
How do we know it's going to be an "era," a sustained period of success? Is he the second coming of Vince Lombard or someone who looks good in Adidas shirts and was reasonably successful at the Division II level? Can's we wait for two or three PL championships before we get crazy?
Don't get me wrong. I'm cheering for the team and him and am personally very hopeful. But the best marketing is success on the field, not slogans that confuse aspirations with established fact.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 19, 2018 9:01:48 GMT -5
I, for one, am excited and highly optimistic now. If the AD wants to get a bit "irrationally exuberant" that is okay with me.
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Post by rickii on Jul 19, 2018 9:11:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the Pine-esque hype about our new coach, i.e., the Chesney "era?" How do we know it's going to be an "era," a sustained period of success? Is he the second coming of Vince Lombard or someone who looks good in Under Armour shirts and was reasonably successful at the Division II level? Can's we wait for two or three PL championships before we get crazy? Don't get me wrong. I'm cheering for the team and him and am personally very hopeful. But the best marketing is success on the field, not slogans that confuse aspirations with established fact. I'm reasonably confident that someone somewhere said something similar to this in 1981 when we hired Rick Carter.
And AIR, Adidas is our supplier and not Under Armour.
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Post by wheeler5 on Jul 19, 2018 9:47:28 GMT -5
OK, you got me on the apparel manufacturer, and the dig about the shirt is admittedly not fair. But Edward Bennett Williams and Fr. Brooks, both serious individuals, were both involved in hiring Rick Carter, and I don't recall any crowing about games that hadn't even been played, do you? How about Robert Craft when Belichick was first hired? Do you really think either one of them would have put up with that kind of nonsense for a minute?
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2018 10:03:37 GMT -5
Coach Chesney is a very enthusiastic guy and it is contagious.
But totally agree that Holy Cross PR has been over-the-top oftentimes since Nate took over. But considering that PR was close to non-existent, this may just be a case of the pendulum swinging too far in the opposite direction.
Ever notice that some of the HC videos sometimes actually use the word “hype?”
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Post by wheeler5 on Jul 19, 2018 10:26:28 GMT -5
NP is a very gifted marketer and a spirited cheerleader for HC athletics. As AD his core job is to hire winning coaches. The jury is still out on that.
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Post by rickii on Jul 19, 2018 11:29:37 GMT -5
OK, you got me on the apparel manufacturer, and the dig about the shirt is admittedly not fair. But Edward Bennett Williams and Fr. Brooks, both serious individuals, were both involved in hiring Rick Carter, and I don't recall any crowing about games that hadn't even been played, do you? How about Robert Craft when Belichick was first hired? Do you really think either one of them would have put up with that kind of nonsense for a minute? Are you serious or just looking to bust chops ?
NP is a very gifted marketer and a spirited cheerleader for HC athletics.
Agree....he's the best AD since Perry.
BTW, love your avatar....TT was hilarious !
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Post by HC92 on Jul 19, 2018 12:33:45 GMT -5
In my opinion, the hype machine has gone over the line on a few occasions under Pine but this one doesn’t bother me and I’d rather have too much hype than too little. The one that drove me crazy was calling out a meaningless and not particularly spectacular Hail Mary at the end of a blowout loss for #SCtopten consideration on Twitter.
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Post by alum on Jul 19, 2018 13:47:06 GMT -5
I, for one, am excited and highly optimistic now. If the AD wants to get a bit "irrationally exuberant" that is okay with me Are you selling tulips?  |
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Post by hc87 on Jul 19, 2018 14:11:01 GMT -5
In my opinion, the hype machine has gone over the line on a few occasions under Pine but this one doesn’t bother me and I’d rather have too much hype than too little. The one that drove me crazy was calling out a meaningless and not particularly spectacular Hail Mary at the end of a blowout loss for #SCtopten consideration on Twitter. lol....forgot about that...did we evah learn if we are the only D1 school to have 2 Hail Marys in one game? (and of course, lose  ) |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 19, 2018 15:46:19 GMT -5
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the Pine-esque hype about our new coach, i.e., the Chesney "era?" How do we know it's going to be an "era," a sustained period of success? Is he the second coming of Vince Lombard or someone who looks good in Adidas shirts and was reasonably successful at the Division II level? Can's we wait for two or three PL championships before we get crazy? Don't get me wrong. I'm cheering for the team and him and am personally very hopeful. But the best marketing is success on the field, not slogans that confuse aspirations with established fact. The overhype machine would be more tolerable if Pine was actually capable of backing it up with results. His coaching decisions at HC have been dreadful. I am very thankful that we missed on all of the "big names" that PIne was after and were able to get Chesney, who is exactly what this program needed. |
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Post by trimster on Jul 19, 2018 16:44:23 GMT -5
Coach Chesney may turn out to be a savior for Nate Pine.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 19, 2018 19:59:48 GMT -5
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the Pine-esque hype about our new coach, i.e., the Chesney "era?" How do we know it's going to be an "era," a sustained period of success? Is he the second coming of Vince Lombard or someone who looks good in Adidas shirts and was reasonably successful at the Division II level? Can's we wait for two or three PL championships before we get crazy? Don't get me wrong. I'm cheering for the team and him and am personally very hopeful. But the best marketing is success on the field, not slogans that confuse aspirations with established fact. The overhype machine would be more tolerable if Pine was actually capable of backing it up with results. His coaching decisions at HC have been dreadful. I am very thankful that we missed on all of the "big names" that PIne was after and were able to get Chesney, who is exactly what this program needed. Agree. At the same time making us nationally relevant in FCS championship discussions may be an example of a reach exceeding a grasp. But again, if it is possible for a coach to do it at Holy Cross at this point, he is the guy. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 19, 2018 20:01:00 GMT -5
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the Pine-esque hype about our new coach, i.e., the Chesney "era?" How do we know it's going to be an "era," a sustained period of success? Is he the second coming of Vince Lombard or someone who looks good in Adidas shirts and was reasonably successful at the Division II level? Can's we wait for two or three PL championships before we get crazy? Don't get me wrong. I'm cheering for the team and him and am personally very hopeful. But the best marketing is success on the field, not slogans that confuse aspirations with established fact. The overhype machine would be more tolerable if Pine was actually capable of backing it up with results. His coaching decisions at HC have been dreadful. I am very thankful that we missed on all of the "big names" that PIne was after and were able to get Chesney, who is exactly what this program needed. I see the narrative that you are setting up. Chesney could lead the team to 5 straight PL championships and if posters gave ADNP accolades for hiring him you'd respond "Chesney was not Pine's top choice and he signed him only reluctantly." |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 19, 2018 20:48:16 GMT -5
The overhype machine would be more tolerable if Pine was actually capable of backing it up with results. His coaching decisions at HC have been dreadful. I am very thankful that we missed on all of the "big names" that PIne was after and were able to get Chesney, who is exactly what this program needed. I see the narrative that you are setting up. Chesney could lead the team to 5 straight PL championships and if posters gave ADNP accolades for hiring him you'd respond "Chesney was not Pine's top choice and he signed him only reluctantly." I’m not setting up a narrative. That’s just what happened. Go Cross. Love HC. |
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Post by sader87 on Jul 19, 2018 21:08:45 GMT -5
NP is a very gifted marketer and a spirited cheerleader for HC athletics. As AD his core job is to hire winning coaches. The jury is still out on that. I agree with your sentiments. Marketing is worth nothing in the end if people eventually catch on that the product stinks. So market away but eventually the product will be judged. The Rise Together type stuff has gone on way too long in my view with limited results - but we've dug a 30+ year hole from which we are trying to climb out. I pray this season will be a good. I'm traveling to the BC game and pray for a spirited fight until at least half time. |
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Post by hc87 on Jul 19, 2018 22:58:17 GMT -5
The Chesney-hype is a bit much but we shall see. First big job for this kid...he may have the future/existence of HC football in his hands.
We'll be awful (W-L wise) for his first couple of years due to over-scheduling (Gilmore/Pine's failure)....we'll know how good a coach he is by 2020 or so.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 20, 2018 6:05:37 GMT -5
First, lay off the “kid” stuff. He may be much younger than you but you are likely much younger than me and I am much younger than others here. We are all adults and worthy of respect.
Second, I for one, am “all in” with the more difficult opponents (read: better schedule) and you can throw blame but I will give kudos to Nate Pine and Tom Gilmore for it regardless of the win/loss records to come. And I happen to be a little more optimistic than you perhaps.
How many here bewailed playing the Sacred Hearts and cried that we didn’t get to play some of the bigger boys in our own neighborhood? We can’t have it both ways.
We know. You want out of the PL even when you don’t post it.
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Post by trimster on Jul 20, 2018 7:12:23 GMT -5
The Chesney-hype is a bit much but we shall see. First big job for this kid...he may have the future/existence of HC football in his hands. We'll be awful (W-L wise) for his first couple of years due to over-scheduling (Gilmore/Pine's failure)....we'll know how good a coach he is by 2020 or so. I don't have a problem with the Chesney hype and don't see it as being over the top. I think we have done similar things in the past for any new coach of football and basketball. As for the future of the program, I don't see it as being in the hands of Chesney and his staff. I think the college is fully committed to football in the Patriot League, long term. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 20, 2018 10:01:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the Pine-esque hype about our new coach, i.e., the Chesney "era?" How do we know it's going to be an "era," a sustained period of success? Is he the second coming of Vince Lombard or someone who looks good in Adidas shirts and was reasonably successful at the Division II level? Can's we wait for two or three PL championships before we get crazy? Don't get me wrong. I'm cheering for the team and him and am personally very hopeful. But the best marketing is success on the field, not slogans that confuse aspirations with established fact. The overhype machine would be more tolerable if Pine was actually capable of backing it up with results. His coaching decisions at HC have been dreadful. I thought Pine has brought HC back into the national consciousness? |
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Post by hcpride on Jul 20, 2018 12:05:46 GMT -5
The Chesney-hype is a bit much but we shall see. First big job for this kid...he may have the future/existence of HC football in his hands. We'll be awful (W-L wise) for his first couple of years due to over-scheduling (Gilmore/Pine's failure)....we'll know how good a coach he is by 2020 or so. No secret to most that TG recruiting wasn’t too good the last three years (trigger alert) and our schedules the next two years are comparatively tough - as long as the hype machine doesn’t promise winning records the next two years I can live with it. Ya gotta be a pretty bad PL team to post back-to-back 4-7 seasons so it’s quite a leap up to .500 football. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 21, 2018 20:51:18 GMT -5
The Chesney-hype is a bit much but we shall see. First big job for this kid...he may have the future/existence of HC football in his hands. We'll be awful (W-L wise) for his first couple of years due to over-scheduling (Gilmore/Pine's failure)....we'll know how good a coach he is by 2020 or so. No secret to most that TG recruiting wasn’t too good the last three years (trigger alert) and our schedules the next two years are comparatively tough - as long as the hype machine doesn’t promise winning records the next two years I can live with it. Ya gotta be a pretty bad PL team to post back-to-back 4-7 seasons so it’s quite a leap up to .500 football. Wasn't Gilmore's last class (rising sophs) the first or second ranked incoming class in the PL? |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 21, 2018 20:57:31 GMT -5
The Chesney-hype is a bit much but we shall see. First big job for this kid...he may have the future/existence of HC football in his hands. We'll be awful (W-L wise) for his first couple of years due to over-scheduling (Gilmore/Pine's failure)....we'll know how good a coach he is by 2020 or so. Don't understand why some are bashing the upcoming schedule here -- especially after it was unanimously lauded a few years back when big name opponents were announced. If Chesney wins the league at 6-5 or 7-4 instead of 9-2 who cares? The games we NEED TO WIN haven't changed. |
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Post by hc87 on Jul 21, 2018 21:36:46 GMT -5
The Chesney-hype is a bit much but we shall see. First big job for this kid...he may have the future/existence of HC football in his hands. We'll be awful (W-L wise) for his first couple of years due to over-scheduling (Gilmore/Pine's failure)....we'll know how good a coach he is by 2020 or so. Don't understand why some are bashing the upcoming schedule here -- especially after it was unanimously lauded a few years back when big name opponents were announced. If Chesney wins the league at 6-5 or 7-4 instead of 9-2 who cares? The games we NEED TO WIN haven't changed. I'm not bashing the upcoming schedules, I'm all for them actually. The problem is Gilmore should have been fired 3 or 4 years ago, not in midseason last year. A new coach should have had time to ramp up the program as we take on the BCs and Syracuses of the world. What's done is done but it does put Chesney in a tough spot i.e. revamping a program as it embarks on its toughest stretch of future schedules in decades. |
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Post by wheeler5 on Jul 22, 2018 8:46:35 GMT -5
Bringing HC sports back to the "national consciousness" is a fool's errand. Whose crazy idea was this? A tiny coed school in Worcester with stringent admissions requirements? Why don't we start with something real, like dominating the PL?
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