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Post by nhteamer on Oct 2, 2018 16:53:40 GMT -5
'caro and 'phreek
wrong and wrong
Paul Pearl left because the Luth didn't include a meaningful Hockey facility upgrade. In the second iteration of the Luth plans it did. In the final version it didn't.
THAT is 100% the reason for his leaving.
The reverse 128-Wootown commute isn't bad at all
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 2, 2018 16:54:27 GMT -5
I give Pine a B+; at least he gives a #@*&$~!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 2, 2018 16:58:44 GMT -5
I give Pine a B+; at least he gives a #@*&$~! Surprised with your grade. Whether Regan gave a damn or not, at least the results were better with him.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 2, 2018 17:14:30 GMT -5
If you go to Pearl's twitter feed, you'll will see an ongoing association with HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 7:26:11 GMT -5
Nice to hear that Coach Pearl still has some association with (feelings for) HC after all he gave to the program. I believe the same can be said for TG. I also think that anyone who believed that things were better under Regan is mistaken...but things can sometimes look better in hindsight.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 3, 2018 8:22:51 GMT -5
'caro and 'phreek wrong and wrong Paul Pearl left because the Luth didn't include a meaningful Hockey facility upgrade. In the second iteration of the Luth plans it did. In the final version it didn't. THAT is 100% the reason for his leaving. The reverse 128-Wootown commute isn't bad at all And who do you think pulled the hockey facilities out of the plans? The same guy who is pretending that he's getting HC into the Hockey East, yet was totally out-classed by the Worcester Railers in trying to secure the DCU.
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Post by trimster on Oct 3, 2018 8:55:19 GMT -5
I give Pine a B+; at least he gives a #@*&$~! Dick Regan and his family bleed purple and I can assure he gave a #@*&$~!. To imply or state that he didn't is very unfair to Dick. I am not interested in grading NP or anyone else but I will say Nate is doing what he has done best, promote the product and raise money. I visit the Fairfield board occasionally and the natives are restless with the other finalist Nate was selected over, Paul Schlickman, over his inability to get Alumni Hall replaced or renovated. Everyone in the public eye has detractors and far too often those people have little to no idea what it's like to be in the shoes of the person they are criticizing.
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Post by evan on Oct 3, 2018 9:30:40 GMT -5
Stay tuned; be patient; have faith. The pieces are falling into place. Is that based on additional information you are privy to or your optimistic interpretation of the facts already hashed over here numerous times?
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Post by rickii on Oct 3, 2018 9:35:55 GMT -5
Since we cannot presently meet the HE seating requirement, what sort of announcement are you seeking? Not following you....
Are you intimating the DCU/City has backed off ?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 9:36:08 GMT -5
evan, If I have not already done so, welcome to CROSSPORTS. Now, is your question to Breezy based on additional information to which you are privy or to your pessimistic interpretation of the "facts" already hashed over here numerous times (and your belief that some of the opinions posted here are facts)?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 9:39:08 GMT -5
Since we cannot presently meet the HE seating requirement, what sort of announcement are you seeking? Not following you.... Are you intimating the DCU/City has backed off ?
I thought I read on CROSSPORTS that the DCU was unavailable (since its use is locked up by the semi-pro Worcester Railers that now are apparently in charge). Is there anywhere else that would allow the team to meet the seating requirement of the HE? I know we have nowhere on campus that even comes close.
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Post by rickii on Oct 3, 2018 9:54:11 GMT -5
'caro and 'phreek wrong and wrong Paul Pearl left because the Luth didn't include a meaningful Hockey facility upgrade. In the second iteration of the Luth plans it did. In the final version it didn't. THAT is 100% the reason for his leaving. The reverse 128-Wootown commute isn't bad at all And who do you think pulled the hockey facilities out of the plans? The same guy who is pretending that he's getting HC into the Hockey East, yet was totally out-classed by the Worcester Railers in trying to secure the DCU.First I've heard of a LAC draft plan that had a totally remodeled/new hockey arena included. PP would be better at the approximate cost but my guess would be around $20 million on top of the $95 million. Pretty confident it would be much more cost effective to rent the DCU annually for HE games for an extended period before we'd expense $20 million.
And as far as jousting with the Railers guy, major decisions like this would - without question - involve the BOT's and the President in addition to Pine.
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Post by rickii on Oct 3, 2018 9:57:22 GMT -5
I give Pine a B+; at least he gives a #@*&$~! Dick Regan and his family bleed purple and I can assure he gave a #@*&$~!. To imply or state that he didn't is very unfair to Dick. I am not interested in grading NP or anyone else but I will say Nate is doing what he has done best, promote the product and raise money. I visit the Fairfield board occasionally and the natives are restless with the other finalist Nate was selected over, Paul Schlickman, over his inability to get Alumni Hall replaced or renovated. Everyone in the public eye has detractors and far too often those people have little to no idea what it's like to be in the shoes of the person they are criticizing. KUDOS trimster !
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Post by evan on Oct 3, 2018 10:34:57 GMT -5
evan, If I have not already done so, welcome to CROSSPORTS. Now, is your question to Breezy based on additional information to which you are privy or to your pessimistic interpretation of the "facts" already hashed over here numerous times (and your belief that some of the opinions posted here are facts)? Thank you. I have followed the board for a long time, going back to the prior version, but obviously do not post often. My question was not intended to be combative (and yes, your emoji indicates you are not as well), but the statement "the pieces are falling into place" sounds like there is some underlying knowledge behind it. Perhaps it is more hopfulness that made me ask, hence, the request for clarification. I am not sure how my post came across as pessimistic, but I guess that exemplifies one of the hazards of a message board. Do I believe opinions are facts, of course not, but there are many occasions when opinions are presented as facts. Often the distinction is obvious, but there are occasions where it is not. The worst, of course, is where someone purposely represents opinion or fiction as fact (or being more gracious they are simply ill informed).
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 10:49:52 GMT -5
I'll make a simple observation. I also consider myself a more or less "in the know" kind of guy, but I too often interpret posts of that nature on this message board (all well intended as I'm sure they are) to be puzzling. Posts like "pieces are coming together," or "it's in the works," or "don't worry, things are in process right now," or "just be patient" I often interpret as if the poster wishes to imply he (or she) is part of some inner-circle of knowledge regarding some grandiose and seismic plan that will forever shift the fortunes of HC athletics, but they just can't elucidate it to the laymen on the board due to "not being at liberty to do so," as if it were the nuclear codes that are being sworn to secrecy or something of that nature. Either that, or it's just opinion, in which case, I would urge that we just state it as such, without implying more that that.
Just my friendly 2 cents, and I seriously say this in a friendly tone.
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Post by breezy on Oct 3, 2018 11:00:28 GMT -5
Stay tuned; be patient; have faith. The pieces are falling into place. Is that based on additional information you are privy to or your optimistic interpretation of the facts already hashed over here numerous times? That is based on information I received in confidential settings from two sources that I believe are in position to know. I do not foreclose the possibility that since I received this information things might have gone (or might still go) "off the rails," but the information I have gives me solid reason to be optimistic.
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Post by evan on Oct 3, 2018 11:08:32 GMT -5
Is that based on additional information you are privy to or your optimistic interpretation of the facts already hashed over here numerous times? That is based on information I received in confidential settings from two sources that I believe are in position to know. I do not foreclose the possibility that since I received this information things might have gone (or might still go) "off the rails," but the information I have gives me solid reason to be optimistic. Thank you
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 11:18:30 GMT -5
And who do you think pulled the hockey facilities out of the plans? The same guy who is pretending that he's getting HC into the Hockey East, yet was totally out-classed by the Worcester Railers in trying to secure the DCU. First I've heard of a LAC draft plan that had a totally remodeled/new hockey arena included. PP would be better at the approximate cost but my guess would be around $20 million on top of the $95 million. Pretty confident it would be much more cost effective to rent the DCU annually for HE games for an extended period before we'd expense $20 million.
And as far as jousting with the Railers guy, major decisions like this would - without question - involve the BOT's and the President in addition to Pine.
The chronology, as best as I recall it, is as follows. Fr. McF said [<<<hearsay] that HC would be willing to expand the rink if donors were found to help pay for it. I believe the cost estimate was around $10-12 million. This is about the time HC was considering proposals for the Hart. There is a campus plan that antedates this, which had football-related facilities near the SE corner of Fitton Field, and it may have had an expanded rink at the top of the hill. While DR was still AD, the concept for what to do about the Hart became more specific. While the seating would be better, no increase in the number of seats at the Hart court, and no change in the seating capacity of the rink. The new field house would feature a playing surface inside a 200 meter track. NP replaces DR, he makes a basic change: to increase the size of the field house to accommodate a 100 yard field. The indoor track, which probably would have had elevated banking, is gone. It may have been NP who set the mantra of every team has its own locker room, and every coach has his/her own office (at least most of them do). I can't recall whether the practice court was part of the DR-era concept; it may have been. The new field house cost an extraordinary sum, even by today's standards. Aside from being able to withstand a Worcester winter at an exposed-to-the-wind site at top of the hill, it was designed to seat 6,000 people, if the college ever chose to use it for that purpose. Because of this prospective use, I think it was robustly engineered. ____________________ With respect to expanding the Hart rink, as I understand it, the college, loath to move the surface, crossed the Rubicon when it built the new women's locker rooms. Thus, an expansion has to be asymmetrical; i.e., push out the west wall and slant a roof .Like what is proposed here by New Balance at Allston. . Absent an on-campus rink, the options seem to be: a.) build an off-campus rink, in conjunction with other Worcester schools. HC was/is? considering such a joint facility for a new indoor track. This way, some of the cost is borne by other schools. b.) expand seating at one of the Worcester Ice Center's rinks, paid for by HC. This probably requires closing off a street. (HC supposedly looked at the Ice Center's site for the indoor track.) c.) the DCU Center. Long-term, even short-term, the cost to Hc is prohibitive. The net revenue to HC from playing at the DCU is probably near zero, at best. Now, if the city of Worcester would do for HC hockey at the DCU what it is doing for the Pawsox in its move to Worcester (guarantee ticket sale revenue by buying tickets) that's a different matter. d.) something else entirely. Actually, I think HC has already picked the site for its new rink. Always pays to look up!!! goo.gl/maps/VPQ24r5GCsD2 An issue with the DCU is that it is a government-owned, privately-managed facility, and the city has a fiducial responsibility to the bondholders, taxpayers, and the management company for the DCU to obtain a fair value for its use.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 3, 2018 11:20:35 GMT -5
I give Pine a B+; at least he gives a #@*&$~! Dick Regan and his family bleed purple and I can assure he gave a #@*&$~!. To imply or state that he didn't is very unfair to Dick. I am not interested in grading NP or anyone else but I will say Nate is doing what he has done best, promote the product and raise money. I visit the Fairfield board occasionally and the natives are restless with the other finalist Nate was selected over, Paul Schlickman, over his inability to get Alumni Hall replaced or renovated. Everyone in the public eye has detractors and far too often those people have little to no idea what it's like to be in the shoes of the person they are criticizing. that was not in reference to Dick Regan! It was in reference to the scores of people in seats of authority at Holy Cross who, over the last 40 years, indeed have not given a #@*&$~!!
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 11:39:38 GMT -5
Is that based on additional information you are privy to or your optimistic interpretation of the facts already hashed over here numerous times? That is based on information I received in confidential settings from two sources that I believe are in position to know. I do not foreclose the possibility that since I received this information things might have gone (or might still go) "off the rails," but the information I have gives me solid reason to be optimistic. If history is a guide, we're off the rails, but hopefully not.
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Post by gks on Oct 3, 2018 11:45:42 GMT -5
First I've heard of a LAC draft plan that had a totally remodeled/new hockey arena included. PP would be better at the approximate cost but my guess would be around $20 million on top of the $95 million. Pretty confident it would be much more cost effective to rent the DCU annually for HE games for an extended period before we'd expense $20 million.
And as far as jousting with the Railers guy, major decisions like this would - without question - involve the BOT's and the President in addition to Pine.
The chronology, as best as I recall it, is as follows. Fr. McF said [<<<hearsay] that HC would be willing to expand the rink if donors were found to help pay for it. I believe the cost estimate was around $10-12 million. This is about the time HC was considering proposals for the Hart. There is a campus plan that antedates this which had football-related facilities near the SE corner of Fitton Field, and it may have had an expanded rink at the top of the hill. While DR was still AD, the concept for what would to do about the Hart became more specific. While the seating would be better, no increase in the number of seats at the Hart court, and no change in the seating capacity of the rink. The new field house would feature a playing surface inside a 200 meter track. NP replaces DR, he makes a basic change: to increase the size of the field house to accommodate a 100 yard field. The indoor track, which probably would have had elevated banking, is gone. It may have been NP who set the mantra of every team has its own locker room, and every coach has his/her own office (at least most of them do). I can't recall whether the practice court was part of the DR-era concept; it may have been. The new field house cost an extraordinary sum, even by today's standards. Aside from being able to withstand a Worcester winter at an exposed site at top of the hill, it was designed to seat 6,000 people, if the college ever chose to use it for that purpose. Because of this prospective use, I think it was robustly engineered. ____________________ With respect to expanding the Hart rink, as I understand it, the college loath to move the surface, crossed the Rubicon when they built the new women's locker rooms. Thus, an expansion has to be asymmetrical; i.e., push out the west wall and slant a roof .Like what is proposed here. Absent an on-campus rink, the options seem to be: a.) build an off-campus rink, in conjunction with other Worcester schools. HC was / is? considering such a joint facility for a new indoor track. This way, some of the cost is borne by other schools. b.) expand seating at one of the Worcester Ice Center's rinks, paid for by HC. This probably requires closing off a street. (HC supposedly had looked at the Ice Center's site for the indoor track.) c.) the DCU Center. Long-term, even short-term, the cost to Hc is prohibitive. The net revenue to HC from playing at the DCU is probably near zero, at best. Now, if the city of Worcester would do for HC hockey at the DCU what it is doing for the Pawsox in its move to Worcester (guarantee ticket sale revenue by buying tickets) that's a different matter. d.) something else entirely. Actually, I think HC has already picked the site for its new rink. Always pays to look up!!! goo.gl/maps/VPQ24r5GCsD2 . . On point B.... You do know that the owner of the Railers also owns the Worcester Ice Center.....
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 11:53:06 GMT -5
^^^^ Yes, I know the Railers' owner built the Ice Center with his own money.
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 11:58:31 GMT -5
A D1 school in the middle of the hotbed of US hockey that can't figure out how to broker a place to play big time hockey. Awesome! Nice job.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 3, 2018 12:14:35 GMT -5
Hockey probably isn't/wasn't in Pine's "AD DNA"...growing up in Oregon, spending much of his professional life at schools that either didn't have hockey or it was fairly low on the athletic totem pole. Not an excuse...just an observation.
He's obviously trying to improve HC athletics, but he's facing the same problems previous AD's at HC had: trying to have all these athletic programs for a school of roughly 3K, dealing with the restrictions the PL has for its student-athletes, dealing with the school's administration and admissions office that have given the athletic department mixed messages ovah the years etc etc etc
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 12:23:53 GMT -5
NP was an assistant AD at the USMA. _______________
UConn is the only HE school that plays off-campus, in Hartford at that. UConn plans on moving men's ice hockey back on campus. Last year, UConn intended to solicit proposals from a private company to have the company build UConn a new rink on-campus, which UConn would then lease. That might be a feasible option for HC too -- I probably should have included it -- but HC would need to find land (which no longer exists at the top of the hill) -- for such a rink. I have not recently looked at where UConn stands with its proposal.
Schools that are near their bonding limits are now turning to private developers to build their residence halls, see Northeastern. As I understand it, the private developer gets the revenue from room and board for a period of years -- 20 or 25 -- and at the end of the period, turns the residence hall over to the university. Illustrates how much of a cash cow residence halls are.
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