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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 12:24:22 GMT -5
I guess we’re wedded to all these teams now that they all have their own office space in the Luth. Still no hockey arena and still no real basketball arena. Still not a decent hot dog at Fitton. 97 million. Man Oh Man. What should have been a grand slam was perhaps a ground rule double. What an opportunity we had back then to revamp the entire show and build a facility in accordance with that plan. Raising the money was one thing. How to spend it . . .
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 12:45:34 GMT -5
Far from an on-campus arena, but the HC rink is decent with (I am told) good ice. If an arena would have cost millions more, what would you have eliminated that we did get? The Hart can hold the fans we currently are getting and many more. There is no issue there it appears for years down the road. I do hope a better scoreboard is in the works.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 13:00:12 GMT -5
Early floor plan, marked with test boring sites. Indicates Blaney court was proposed during DR's tenure. Hart court in earliest iteration. I am looking for the file with the HC map with locations of the new athletic facilities, earliest iteration. Haven't found it yet.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 3, 2018 13:02:22 GMT -5
NP was an assistant AD at the USMA. _______________ UConn is the only HE school that plays off-campus, in Hartford at that. UConn plans on moving men's ice hockey back on campus. Last year, UConn intended to solicit proposals from a private company to have the company build UConn a new rink on-campus, which UConn would then lease. That might be a feasible option for HC too -- I probably should have included it -- but HC would need to find land (which no longer exists at the top of the hill) -- for such a rink. I have not recently looked at where UConn stands with its proposal. Schools that are near their bonding limits are now turning to private developers to build their residence halls, see Northeastern. As I understand it, the private developer gets the revenue from room and board for a period of years -- 20 or 25 -- and at the end of the period, turns the residence hall over to the university. Illustrates how much of a cash cow residence halls are. Pak, interesting concept - do you know in such an arrangement who is responsible for maintenance of said residence hall during that 20-25 year timespan?
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 13:02:46 GMT -5
Well admittedly what I want, what he college wants, what the college can afford, and perhaps even what is right are 4 different things. But to answer, what I would have liked to have seen, after eliminating most of our sports other than football, basketball, lacrosse, and baseball (ensuring enough female sports for Title 9), and committing to conferences changes within 5 years, including HE, would be for Fitton to have become a 4-season football facility where all operations, meetings, training, and games take place, similar but better that what they did at Harvard and other schools. We do not need an indoor field in the Fall, but with field turf we could have a removable bubble for the entire off-season. I know everyone loves grass but this would have been fine, and better than an entire indoor field when we already have a football field. I would then have created a true arena for basketball and hockey like Conte Forum at BC, maybe smaller in scale - one stop shopping, one facility, and make it really nice. Why have two facilities? After that the remainder of the architectural plans would have come into focus. What we've done is painted ourselves into a nearly 100 million dollar corner.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 13:09:36 GMT -5
NP was an assistant AD at the USMA. _______________ UConn is the only HE school that plays off-campus, in Hartford at that. UConn plans on moving men's ice hockey back on campus. Last year, UConn intended to solicit proposals from a private company to have the company build UConn a new rink on-campus, which UConn would then lease. That might be a feasible option for HC too -- I probably should have included it -- but HC would need to find land (which no longer exists at the top of the hill) -- for such a rink. I have not recently looked at where UConn stands with its proposal. Schools that are near their bonding limits are now turning to private developers to build their residence halls, see Northeastern. As I understand it, the private developer gets the revenue from room and board for a period of years -- 20 or 25 -- and at the end of the period, turns the residence hall over to the university. Illustrates how much of a cash cow residence halls are. Pak, interesting concept - do you know in such an arrangement who is responsible for maintenance of said residence hall during that 20-25 year timespan? The owner, which would be the developer. See: www.bisnow.com/boston/news/other/bostons-universities-look-to-create-the-cradle-to-grave-student-experience-73442I believe, image below, is the new Northeastern residence hall, 800 beds, referenced in the article and now under construction.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 3, 2018 13:14:59 GMT -5
Provided the school can have input on maintenance issues and how they're addressed during the 20-25 year period the developer is in charge... that doesn't sound like an entirely bad deal for the school.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 3, 2018 13:26:40 GMT -5
Well admittedly what I want, what he college wants, what the college can afford, and perhaps even what is right are 4 different things. But to answer, what I would have liked to have seen, after eliminating most of our sports other than football, basketball, lacrosse, and baseball (ensuring enough female sports for Title 9), and committing to conferences changes within 5 years, including HE, would be for Fitton to have become a 4-season football facility where all operations, meetings, training, and games take place, similar but better that what they did at Harvard and other schools. We do not need an indoor field in the Fall, but with field turf we could have a removable bubble for the entire off-season. I know everyone loves grass but this would have been fine, and better than an entire indoor field when we already have a football field. I would then have created a true arena for basketball and hockey like Conte Forum at BC, maybe smaller in scale - one stop shopping, one facility, and make it really nice. Why have two facilities? After that the remainder of the architectural plans would have come into focus. What we've done is painted ourselves into a nearly 100 million dollar corner. joe, you raise some good points and I completely agree with your first sentence. The hard part is meeting in the middle of all those expectations. Just curious as to which sports you'd focus on keeping to maintain Division I eligibility. The minimum is 14 sports, can be split 7 men/7 women or 6 men/8 women, at least two team sports on each side and each season (spring/fall/winter) has to have competition by both genders.
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 13:48:15 GMT -5
6 Men: Fall Football Fall Soccer Winter Basketball Winter Hockey Spring Lacrosse Spring Baseball
8 Women: Fall Field Hockey Fall Soccer Winter Volleyball (low overhead I believe) Winter Basketball Winter Hockey Spring Lacrosse Spring Softball Fall - Winter- Spring Track and Field (lot of athletes so good Title 9 schollie dump, not sure if this counts for 1 sport or more - if 2, dump volleyball, if 3 dump softball )
Selections of women's sports based on history and what I think it simplest in terms of available shared facilities.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 3, 2018 13:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 3, 2018 14:04:19 GMT -5
No hockey rink and an 80 yard indoor field. Absolutely mind boggling how HC never gets anything right.
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 3, 2018 14:08:57 GMT -5
6 Men: Fall Football Fall Soccer Winter Basketball Winter Hockey Spring Lacrosse Spring Baseball
8 Women: Fall Field Hockey Fall Soccer Winter Volleyball (low overhead I believe) Winter Basketball Winter Hockey Spring Lacrosse Spring Softball Fall - Winter- Spring Track and Field (lot of athletes so good Title 9 schollie dump, not sure if this counts for 1 sport or more - if 2, dump volleyball, if 3 dump softball )
Selections of women's sports based on history and what I think it simplest in terms of available shared facilities.
Where do I sign?
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 14:24:06 GMT -5
No hockey rink and an 80 yard indoor field. Absolutely mind boggling how HC never gets anything right.
And like I said, now we've painted ourselves into a corner, as the bones of this multi-facility thing are now all there cast in stone, and not going anywhere for probably a hundred years. It's still a fabulous "major D1," almost professional complex, it's just a shame that the game day environment is still mid to low major across the board. This was ultimately a $97M practice facility and so far we're still losing bad.
Still can't get a decent bite of food at a basketball game.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 3, 2018 14:43:22 GMT -5
As has been mentioned before, $97 million and nothing was significantly done to improve hockey and the Hart Center court.
The film room and locker room Bucknell built 15 years ago is better than ours, by the way.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 14:48:42 GMT -5
The field is 100 yards, without end zones, so one endzone chops the field length ________________________________________________. Football-related facilities next to Fitton. Probably discarded because of the flood plain, and blasting. cost. East end zone seats demolished. The orange rectangle may represent concessions space. This demolition may have triggered ADA compliance costs for the remainder of the stadium. Performing arts center on site of tennis courts.. Hart expansion. Indoor track? to the north side. The building with rooftop lettering may be athletic offices etc. Tennis courts moved to slope of the hill south of Fr. K. field HC has bought more properties on City View and other streets than depicted. Expanded seating for hockey rink. Present rink seats 800+ plus standing room (according to life safety plans for Luth). So this expansion might have gotten it to 1600-2000 seats. _____________________________________ Bentley's new rink seats 1900+, with 200 standing room. Cost $45 million.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 14:54:29 GMT -5
Joe, What have you got against track and cross country?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 3, 2018 14:58:01 GMT -5
As has been mentioned before, $97 million and nothing was significantly done to improve hockey and the Hart Center court. The film room and locker room Bucknell built 15 years ago is better than ours, by the way. Really? I have a distinct recollection of someone posting a photo of Bucknell's film room, which featured folding chairs. I remembered because, at the time, the economizing surprised me.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 3, 2018 14:59:54 GMT -5
Cost to add 40 yards to the Indoor Practice field to have two end zones and 100 yards of field bring it up 140 yards would have added at least 9 million dollars to the project.
Each roof trust cost 2 million dollar x 4, plus additional building materials and labor.
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2018 15:00:10 GMT -5
Joe, What have you got against track and cross country? Nothing I ran track at HC, but I think we can do away with the men's program and focus on women's.
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Post by trimster on Oct 3, 2018 16:45:34 GMT -5
Dick Regan and his family bleed purple and I can assure he gave a #@*&$~!. To imply or state that he didn't is very unfair to Dick. I am not interested in grading NP or anyone else but I will say Nate is doing what he has done best, promote the product and raise money. I visit the Fairfield board occasionally and the natives are restless with the other finalist Nate was selected over, Paul Schlickman, over his inability to get Alumni Hall replaced or renovated. Everyone in the public eye has detractors and far too often those people have little to no idea what it's like to be in the shoes of the person they are criticizing. that was not in reference to Dick Regan! It was in reference to the scores of people in seats of authority at Holy Cross who, over the last 40 years, indeed have not given a #@*&$~!! My apologies NHT. I certainly agree with your assessment.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2018 17:40:35 GMT -5
Joe, What have you got against track and cross country? Nothing I ran track at HC, but I think we can do away with the men's program and focus on women's. That is an option. (...and, thanks for your service to track from an old track coach!)
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Post by joe on Oct 4, 2018 5:49:50 GMT -5
Coach Jim K is a great individual.
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