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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 8:20:25 GMT -5
Do you think it might be for the money?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2018 8:55:56 GMT -5
Just something about 6 CAA teams seems a bit much....the bracket (24 teams) is about twice as large as it should be imo....one of many issues I have with the FCS playoff format. Eight would be a good number. Then again NCAA makes all of their tournaments too large. I hear that all the time concerning the Women's Division I March Madness - especially with the Round 1 blowouts. I don't hear that regarding FCS football playoffs...many of the first round games are quite competitive - JMU v Delaware, for example, should be a very good game.
I also think the teams in the FCS playoffs really benefit from an extended season. When we are in that position we can judge for ourselves.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2018 9:50:43 GMT -5
Rob, you're such a cynic! How could you think such a thing!?
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 20, 2018 9:52:40 GMT -5
I don't recall anybody complained when HC went to Villanova in 2009. Didn't win the game but it was a pretty cool atmosphere with a great turnout of HC fans and alums. I can't picture an everyday scenario in which HC would decline an invite to the FCS playoffs at this point, either as the AQ or an at-large. There'd have to be extreme extenuating circumstances.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2018 10:05:16 GMT -5
Was there and a great atmosphere and a very competitive game against eventual national champs. Would love to see us in that scenario again, only win!
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2018 10:05:46 GMT -5
I thought 16 was the right number. Making some school play (theoretically) five games seems very excessive.
The tournament is definitely not a money maker at all. Travel to remote outposts for football typically costs a lot. Someone's gotta go to Grand Forks, ND, that's not easy. It's probably subsidized the same way most of the NCAA events are; that is, by March Madness and however else the NCAA brings in a profit. In fact, $ is probably the biggest argument in favor of making the FCS part of the bowl system, having a couple more bowls (because ESPN will seemingly telecast MIT vs Cal Tech if it's a bowl game during the holidays) and leaving it at that.
I saw James Madison on TV vs NC State. They lost by 14, NCS's final touchdown came in the final minute after they stopped JMU on downs the previous series. So, pretty much a one score game. I think they were stronger than their old CAA rivals, UMass, for what that's worth.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 20, 2018 10:17:46 GMT -5
This thread took a turn to the absurd. First we need to win the league (regardless of how good or bad being in the league may be), then win the in playoffs. Going to the playoffs is great and winning would be better. Until that time, everything else is noise.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 20, 2018 10:29:04 GMT -5
I thought 16 was the right number. Making some school play (theoretically) five games seems very excessive. The tournament is definitely not a money maker at all. Travel to remote outposts for football typically costs a lot. Someone's gotta go to Grand Forks, ND, that's not easy. It's probably subsidized the same way most of the NCAA events are; that is, by March Madness and however else the NCAA brings in a profit. In fact, $ is probably the biggest argument in favor of making the FCS part of the bowl system, having a couple more bowls (because ESPN will seemingly telecast MIT vs Cal Tech if it's a bowl game during the holidays) and leaving it at that. I saw James Madison on TV vs NC State. They lost by 14, NCS's final touchdown came in the final minute after they stopped JMU on downs the previous series. So, pretty much a one score game. I think they were stronger than their old CAA rivals, UMass, for what that's worth. It's true that only 5 championships bring in enough revenue to at least cover that event's expenses: MBB, MLAX, wrestling, baseball, men's ice hockey. I don't specifically recall the rationale for expanding the FCS tournament to 24 teams a few years ago, but the NCAA does have the rule mentioned above regarding the size of the field being determined by # of conference AQs and at-larges. By putting such a provision in, you eliminate the arbitrary "Well, XXX seems like the right number." How do you determine what the right number is in men's lacrosse or field hockey? Going by what "feels right" vs. an actual policy is difficult to defend. That said, maybe the policy doesn't always ensure that the best teams are included in the NCAA Tournament in whatever sport, but there will never be a perfect system to determine that.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 24, 2018 20:12:35 GMT -5
Bad day for the CAA...4 losses, Towson to Duquense, Elon to Wofford, Stony Brook to SE Mo....JMU beat Delaware 20-6 and will travel to Hamilton next week.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 25, 2018 8:56:50 GMT -5
Bad day for the CAA...4 losses, Towson to Duquense, Elon to Wofford, Stony Brook to SE Mo....JMU beat Delaware 20-6 and will travel to Hamilton next week. Colgate beat UNH, JMU didn't. But I'd be shocked if that meant anything next week.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 25, 2018 9:12:31 GMT -5
Bad day for the CAA...4 losses, Towson to Duquense, Elon to Wofford, Stony Brook to SE Mo....JMU beat Delaware 20-6 and will travel to Hamilton next week. Colgate beat UNH, JMU didn't. But I'd be shocked if that meant anything next week. It won't. Colgate's defense is the real deal and should hold JMU somewhat in check. Just a matter if they can find ways to score as JMU D is excellent as well. Colgate managed just 7 offensive points against Army -- of course the Black Knights have one of the top defensive coordinators in all of football IMO.
Hope the home field advantage is enough to push Colgate over the top for the win. They are the real deal but so are the Dukes.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 25, 2018 16:29:53 GMT -5
Bad day for the CAA...4 losses, Towson to Duquense, Elon to Wofford, Stony Brook to SE Mo....JMU beat Delaware 20-6 and will travel to Hamilton next week. Colgate beat UNH, JMU didn't. But I'd be shocked if that meant anything next week. UNH was reeling when Colgate played them (QB was out all game...and he carries the squad as we saw)...and Colgate won 10-3. None of Colgate's FCS opponents finished the year at .500 or better. At the same time JMU can be beaten this year (they have 3 losses). If the weather is good and the track is fast, I'd give JMU the nod.
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Post by rickii on Nov 26, 2018 10:46:57 GMT -5
Like Delaware used to be under Tubby Raymond, JMU is a I-A program pretending to be I-AA. While this is not one of their best teams, they have a lot of talent and size along with what is now the most attractive home stadium in I-AA ( better than Montana ).
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 26, 2018 13:24:54 GMT -5
Excuse me if I don't care about PL "brethren."
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 26, 2018 13:27:58 GMT -5
A better reputation for the PL may help down the road if HC continues to improve and the PL wants to get 2 selections in future FCS playoffs.
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 26, 2018 14:21:20 GMT -5
Excuse me if I don't care about PL "brethren." Colgate doing well in the playoffs is good for the league, and therefore good for us! i hope they win it all!
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Post by rickii on Nov 26, 2018 14:27:31 GMT -5
Excuse me if I don't care about PL "brethren." Colgate doing well in the playoffs is good for the league, and therefore good for us! i hope they win it all! Dunno….didn't help the league when Raiders went deep a few years ago. Certainly didn't hurt Colgate....they benefit for sure.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 26, 2018 15:01:03 GMT -5
Colgate was in the FCS Championship game in 2003, 15 years ago....time is a fleeting mistress and all that.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 26, 2018 15:23:45 GMT -5
2015 Colgate won two playoff games.
We don't have a particular rivalry with Colgate (that I am aware of) so I don't mind seeing them win (except when we are playing them, of course) -- on the other hand it might help them recruit (v us) if they go for another run in the playoffs so maybe it helps us (HC, not necessarily PL) if they lose.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 26, 2018 15:58:13 GMT -5
2015 Colgate won two playoff games. We don't have a particular rivalry with Colgate (that I am aware of) so I don't mind seeing them win (except when we are playing them, of course) -- on the other hand it might help them recruit (v us) if they go for another run in the playoffs so maybe it helps us (HC, not necessarily PL) if they lose. A valid distinction.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 27, 2018 7:21:19 GMT -5
If Colgate can attract 2 or 3 times the spectators at the Georgetown game in Hamilton a month ago (1800 - in very similar cold weather), one can't really complain about relative spectator interest (or lack thereof) for the FCS playoffs.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 27, 2018 10:28:40 GMT -5
Screw Colgate
WIN
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 28, 2018 15:00:45 GMT -5
James Madison coach moving on to Charlotte it appears. My guess is that would mean he wouldn't coach against Colgate if it's confirmed.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 29, 2018 8:37:37 GMT -5
JMU 7.5 point road favorites as of yesterday. Go Gate!!!
Always support your PL brothers in the playoffs!
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 29, 2018 10:55:18 GMT -5
Seems close to be finalized that Mike Houston will take the Charlotte job (JMU is better than Charlotte but they're FBS). Might play to Colgate's advantage as the JMU players know that their coach has one foot out the door.
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