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Jan 11, 2019 23:49:00 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 11, 2019 23:49:00 GMT -5
Anthony Thompson? Know he had a lot of steals, not sure about the turnovers. Anthony Thompson is correct with 150 steals to just 137 turnovers. So we have our four +14 for Eric Green with 113 steals to 99 turnovers +13 for Anthony Thompson with 150 steals to 137 turnovers +5 for Keith Simmons with 191 steals to 186 turnovers +1 for Pat Benzan with 97 steals to 96 turnovers
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Jan 12, 2019 0:45:22 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 12, 2019 0:45:22 GMT -5
Steals are an interesting topic and we've heard some good insights in the posts above. The top-10 teams in steal % this year are doing pretty well in the W-L standings
1) Duke= 13-1 2) LSU= 11-3 3) Auburn= 11-3 4) UT Rio Gr Val= 9-9 5) Temple= 12-3 6) FIU= 11-5 7) So FLA= 12-3 8) Rider= 8-7 9) Duquesne= 10-5 10) St John's= 14-2
Composite= 111-41
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Jan 12, 2019 4:41:04 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2019 4:41:04 GMT -5
While that may be true, and your pal Ralph had someone counting them, there are no official stats in a game of deflections. So, this is a useful ratio. It reflects how well a player has control of the ball offensively and defensively. Giveaways vs. takeaways.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 12, 2019 5:22:36 GMT -5
Who'd a thunk a much maligned player like Ant would have been one of the players! Interesting nuggets, KY.
Such a shame Eric Green was only able to play 2.5 years....he will always be one of my faves.
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Post by notjuanjones on Jan 12, 2019 9:58:47 GMT -5
While that may be true, and your pal Ralph had someone counting them, there are no official stats in a game of deflections. So, this is a useful ratio. It reflects how well a player has control of the ball offensively and defensively. Giveaways vs. takeaways. Most every team at the college and pro level has an assistant coach who keeps detailed track of deflections. That they aren't kept by some "official" clearinghouse doesn't mean they aren't valued highly by teams. Steals are, as others have mentioned, inexact at best as a measure of quality defense, as players who hunt them often leave their team at a defensive disadvantage by gambling unnecessarily. Deflections don't necessarily result in steals, but they are almost always a good measurement of overall defensive activity-high hands, moving your feet, talking-which almost always result in good defense.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2019 10:15:59 GMT -5
And deflections, which I have conceded multiple times, are critical, don't have the surety that when you get a steal the other team cannot possibly score unless they steal it back (i.e. a turnover on your team). A deflection that goes out of bounds means the opposition gets the ball back. Again, absolutely conceding that means you have disrupted the opposing team's offense. Again, not sure we are arguing about the same thing. My point is, there is value on the steal/turnover stat, not diminishing the value of deflections. And, again, if an assistant or manager is unofficially counting deflections, great, but that is not official. If there is an official count of steals, someone in the NCAA basketball hierarchy thinks it has value. And FWIW, I would bet you that the guys KY listed as a high steal/turnover ratio are also guys that had high deflection numbers. That's just an eyeball test since we don't have those "unofficial" numbers. End of vainly trying to make my point other than encouraging KY to continue keeping this "score." Just like RGS's Massey rankings which our experts here poo-poo, I like seeing them, so keep that up too, Rob! You purists can just ignore any of those posts.
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Jan 12, 2019 10:50:11 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2019 10:50:11 GMT -5
Assist to turnover ratio is a far more accurate indicator of quality play than steal to turnover—and it is an OFFICIAL NCAA stat(sader1970–I do not know how to do bold)
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Jan 12, 2019 11:43:42 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2019 11:43:42 GMT -5
And I don’t know how to put a “raising a white flag” emoji. I just think it has value. You win, OK? 😂
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 12, 2019 12:23:54 GMT -5
Steals are an interesting topic and we've heard some good insights in the posts above. The top-10 teams in steal % this year are doing pretty well in the W-L standings 1) Duke= 13-1 2) LSU= 11-3 3) Auburn= 11-3 4) UT Rio Gr Val= 9-9 5) Temple= 12-3 6) FIU= 11-5 7) So FLA= 12-3 8) Rider= 8-7 9) Duquesne= 10-5 10) St John's= 14-2 Composite= 111-41 Okay-here's the corollary, the teams that have the lowest steal percentage for their defensive team. 344) Niagara= 8-8 345) UNC Wilmington= 6-11 346) McNeese State= 5-11 347) Cal Baptist= 9-9 348) Cornell= 8-8 349) Western Michigan= 6-9 350) Utah= 7-8 351) Dartmouth= 9-7 352) Elon= 5-13 353) San Jose State= 3-11 Composite= 66-93 So, while the "big stealers" are a composite 111-41 note that the "we don't steal" teams are not 41-111. Still, they do have a pretty weak W-L percentage. I suppose I could go on to check on two other lists: (1) teams that do not get the ball stolen from them and (2) teams that get the ball stolen a lot
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Jan 13, 2019 8:30:52 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Jan 13, 2019 8:30:52 GMT -5
Though Jehyve has moved down the list in blocks, in FG % he leads the PL and is 15th nationally
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 13, 2019 10:08:31 GMT -5
Though Jehyve has moved down the list in blocks, in FG % he leads the PL and is 15th nationally He's also #1 on the HC career FG percentage list (has enough made baskets as of the Lehigh game) at .657, relegating Ernie Floyd, the long-time leader at .581, to second place. Jim Nairus, at .510, drops off the Top-10 list.
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