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Feb 17, 2019 7:30:01 GMT -5
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Post by crossbball13 on Feb 17, 2019 7:30:01 GMT -5
Who is our short list? Let’s go...hire an AD.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 10, 2019 6:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Mar 10, 2019 9:06:50 GMT -5
Why is this just being posted now? They should have had someone in already. Pathetic.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2019 9:57:21 GMT -5
What a joke.
If we had a new AD in that office by now, it would be feasible to address the men’s basketball situation.
Fr. B and others simply don’t care. As I have already posted, he / they have bigger issues with which they’re dealing.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 10, 2019 10:13:03 GMT -5
They may care and disagree with you. They may simply feel that the current head coach is the man they want for men's hoops, and the interim coach is doing a good job for the women.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 10, 2019 10:24:16 GMT -5
This qualification is telling and eliminates a couple of rumored names; or they said no, and a more traditional AD is being sought, which also may be why it's just recently been posted:
"Strong administrative skills with several years of experience in athletic administration in a highly academic liberal arts college or selective university environment."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 10, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5
This qualification is telling and eliminates a couple of rumored names; or they said no, and a more traditional AD is being sought, which also may be why it's just recently been posted: "Strong administrative skills with several years of experience in athletic administration in a highly academic liberal arts college or selective university environment." Yes it is. If they sought a wider pool, they would have added a modifier, like "desirable" as they did with regard to having a post-baccalaureate degree.
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Post by gks on Mar 10, 2019 11:39:03 GMT -5
The last thing this athletic department needs is someone with "strong academic skills." Boring.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 10, 2019 11:50:56 GMT -5
As pp noted, the rankings/listing of the potential AD requirements/duties is telling.
We have become inextricably woven into the make-up of the Patriot League as an institution. This is not a bad thing per se but the days of HC football and basketball being relevant beyond too many (some alums, some students, a few hearty locals etc...basically where we are now) is further and further into the past with each passing year.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 12, 2019 9:00:27 GMT -5
I see the words "diversity" or "diverse" gets mentioned 3 times. I guess that's par for the course in higher education these days. I do find the timing odd. As a side note, in looking at the Fairfield story re their hoops coaching change, isn't that the AD who was a finalist for the job at HC when DR left?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 12, 2019 9:28:24 GMT -5
I saw a job posted for Holy Cross in the Information Systems area last year that I was interested in. Seemed perfect* for my skill set, so I applied. The web site and the job description were both chock full of diversity inferences.
My cover letter told them that I was old and therefore would be a member of a minority on campus, should have fit in quite well in the "diversity" regard. I mean, how many white men over 65 do they have working there?
*actually it wasn't, not that diversity had anything to do with it. They made it sound like they wanted someone to come in for a short length of time (a year at most) with some clear objectives which I could have done blindfolded and would have enjoyed being at the school immensely ....what they really wanted was someone right out of college to be more or less an intern.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 12, 2019 9:41:43 GMT -5
First requirement? Promote the values of the Patriot League.
Fifth? Win and be successful at the national level.
It's not listed alphabetically, so I must infer they are in order of importance. The Patriot League should be the best fit right now for OUR values. The primary goal of an athletics department should be to foster the success on and off the court of student athletes. If the Patriot League is the fit, then so be it. If the Patriot League is not the fit, it should be replaced where possible.
How long has Pine been gone before somebody wrote this job posting?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 12, 2019 17:45:17 GMT -5
First requirement? Promote the values of the Patriot League. Fifth? Win and be successful at the national level. It's not listed alphabetically, so I must infer they are in order of importance. The Patriot League should be the best fit right now for OUR values. The primary goal of an athletics department should be to foster the success on and off the court of student athletes. If the Patriot League is the fit, then so be it. If the Patriot League is not the fit, it should be replaced where possible. How long has Pine been gone before somebody wrote this job posting? I re-ordered the duties and responsibilities in a more likely priority order. • Commitment to helping students become the best scholar athletes they can be as they integrate their personal, team and institutional values in becoming men and women for and with others. [HC places great emphasis on the Graduation Success Rate.] • Appreciation of the academic expectations of Holy Cross students, as well as an understanding of the challenges and stresses facing high-achieving student athletes today and experience in addressing them. [HC also places great emphasis on the Academic Progress Rate.] • Represent athletics externally through outreach and fundraising with alumni, parents and friends of athletics, and internally to represent intercollegiate athletics as an area of excellence of the College [Emphasis mine] . • Build and sustain an athletics program that best positions Holy Cross to compete and win at the conference and national level while furthering the educational mission of the college, without sacrificing the identity and ethical standards of the institution. • Ensure compliance with NCAA, Patriot League, Atlantic Hockey Association, ECAC, Hockey East and Title IX rules and regulations. • Recruit, retain, lead, and inspire a diverse group of successful coaches and athletic administrators. • Articulate the role of athletics in the Catholic and Jesuit Liberal arts tradition, as well as the values of the Patriot League, to students, faculty, staff and alumni. • Work cooperatively and effectively with these constituencies to realize the College’s goals and aspirations. • Provide strategic and visionary leadership to the Athletic Department. • Develop and manage budgets for all operational areas of the program ensuring budgetary and fiscal accountability in order to adhere to a balanced budget through enhancing revenue generation and monitoring spending. • Develop shared departmental goals and a culture of excellence for the athletics department. • Build a sense of community and competitive excellence among scholar athletes, coaches, athletic administrators, faculty, alumni and supporters. • Build a department that shares the college’s commitment to a culture of openness and inclusion that values diversity in people and ideas.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 12, 2019 21:15:06 GMT -5
History will show that FADDR was actually better than FADNP.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 12, 2019 21:21:15 GMT -5
I think much of the success of an AD at HC (in terms of overall w&l's) is pretty much out of the hands of whomevah has that position today.
We are a participatory D1 school...it starts and ends there.
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Mar 12, 2019 21:42:59 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 12, 2019 21:42:59 GMT -5
I think much of the success of an AD at HC (in terms of overall w&l's) is pretty much out of the hands of whomevah has that position today. We are a participatory D1 school...it starts and ends there. Well, the AD still does have the ability to make coaching hires, which may impact wins and losses. I wonder if we would have won more games if FCSK, FCMB, and Bill Carmody were never at HC, for instance.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 12, 2019 21:48:19 GMT -5
Our basketball team is going to win anywhere between 14 and 22 games most years regardless of the head coach....it's not "serious D1 basketball"...it's have a decent team, be competitive in the basically non-competitive PL, don't embarrass us too much...reload, wash, spin again. I'm tired of "tilting at windmills" with HC hoop...O'Kane/Fenwick don't care....why should I?
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Mar 12, 2019 22:17:11 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 12, 2019 22:17:11 GMT -5
I’ve posed this question many times, but is Bucknell serious about basketball?
Two NCAA Tournament wins, many NCAA Tournamnet appearances, an NIT win, etc. suggest they are.
There are a number of P5 teams who can’t say they’ve accomplished the above in the past 15 years.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 12, 2019 22:32:20 GMT -5
They (and all other PL schools) are "serious" to a point....Bucknell has carved out a nice niche but they are basically a "joke" when it comes to programs that truly care about D1 basketball.... they are basically "the little engine that could".....there's absolutely nothing wrong with being at that level and we'd be lucky to be at that level today....but it's not close to where HC basketball was up until 1980 or so.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 13, 2019 5:38:00 GMT -5
Problem is, to me college sports in Massachusetts is pretty much "the little engine that could", given the pro stranglehold. I'll bet there are more citizens in the greater Burlington VT area that could name a UVM player or coach then there are residents of Boston that could name 1 BC or UMass player or coach. Maybe if all Boston pro sports teams become crappy at the same time for an extended period, things will change.....but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 13, 2019 5:46:34 GMT -5
Problem is, to me college sports in Massachusetts is pretty much "the little engine that could", given the pro stranglehold. I'll bet there are more citizens in the greater Burlington VT area that could name a UVM player or coach then there are residents of Boston that could name 1 BC or UMass player or coach. Maybe if all Boston pro sports teams become crappy at the same time for an extended period, things will change.....but I'm not holding my breath. How many people buy a digital subscription to the T&G because they want the latest info on HC sports? Could I count them with one hand? Two? At HC these days, if a student wishes to read the print version of the T&G, there's a copy available in Hogan.
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