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May 26, 2019 10:40:04 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 26, 2019 10:40:04 GMT -5
...but he signed a NLOI with Wake. Isn’t that the definition of not being a walk-on? Watching his throws against Clemson, he nailed his receiver and the receiver dropped it. Should be 1-1 w/ 1 TD 30 YD’s Passing. Not necessarily. PWOs often also "sign" with teams.Its just not an NLI with a scholarship. NCAA rule is clear that a recruit cannot be announced until admitted to the College. For example, a number of PWOs were included in Lehigh announced class. Five more WOs were just announced last week after admission. Unlike recruited players, those WOs went thru the admission process in conjunction with the rest of the applicants. College Admission Depts grant a certain number of slots to coaches for recruits. Those recruits are in a separate pool from regular applicants. Holy Cross fans s/b familiar with slors as this was the battle Gilmore had for most of his career with Cross Admissions He was severely limited in the number of slots granted and even then not all of those slotted prospects got passed by your Dept. In the present era though, scollie limits and PL roster limits (90) dictate the number slots available for PWOs and (not-recruited) walk-ons. IIRC, Lehigh went heavy on full scollies, and that 'created' more slots for PWOs and walk-ons.
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May 26, 2019 11:17:57 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on May 26, 2019 11:17:57 GMT -5
On a lighter note, if Considine came from Wake we would have TWO junior class six foot six pro-style QBs on the squad. That is, in a word, unusual.
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Post by hc6774 on May 26, 2019 11:28:22 GMT -5
On a lighter note, if Considine came from Wake we would have TWO junior class six foot six pro-style QBs on the squad. That is, in a word, unusual. to run the RPO system
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May 26, 2019 11:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by richh on May 26, 2019 11:36:47 GMT -5
Not necessarily. PWOs often also "sign" with teams.Its just not an NLI with a scholarship. NCAA rule is clear that a recruit cannot be announced until admitted to the College. For example, a number of PWOs were included in Lehigh announced class. Five more WOs were just announced last week after admission. Unlike recruited players, those WOs went thru the admission process in conjunction with the rest of the applicants. College Admission Depts grant a certain number of slots to coaches for recruits. Those recruits are in a separate pool from regular applicants. Holy Cross fans s/b familiar with slors as this was the battle Gilmore had for most of his career with Cross Admissions He was severely limited in the number of slots granted and even then not all of those slotted prospects got passed by your Dept. In the present era though, scollie limits and PL roster limits (90) dictate the number slots available for PWOs and (not-recruited) walk-ons. IIRC, Lehigh went heavy on full scollies, and that 'created' more slots for PWOs and walk-ons. Absolutely correct. LU has had a short roster for the 2bprior seasons. Assume Andy tried to up quality in lieu of roster for Navy game. Unfortunately, injuries on OL and LB stuffed that thought. Current class has 31 again top heavy in full rides , some partials and a lot of WOs of all sorts. We now are in the mid 80s. At least Gilmore can gave full contact practices in the fall . AD slots are not the same as roster slots in PL computation. Usual practice coaches in various sports will request a number they want each year. Coaches, particularly in large roster sports, dont always get as many as they request.
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May 26, 2019 11:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on May 26, 2019 11:38:08 GMT -5
On a lighter note, if Considine came from Wake we would have TWO junior class six foot six pro-style QBs on the squad. That is, in a word, unusual. to run the RPO system Exactly!🤗
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May 26, 2019 12:44:40 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on May 26, 2019 12:44:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure Considine was "Plan B" after Perry but obviously a welcome addition to the Hill.
Perry headed to Brown most likely, which will make that tilt even more interesting now.
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May 26, 2019 13:02:30 GMT -5
Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2019 13:02:30 GMT -5
If E.J. moves to Brown (or anywhere) it will be a stealth transfer apparently outside of the portal system. With an uncle as Head Coach at Brown he may be able to do this much easier than would be typical. The local Andover news article did quote him as saying he was committed to BC for the long haul, but if I put myself in his position I would probably go for a shot at starting in FCS as opposed to likely riding the pine in FBS.
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May 26, 2019 13:06:01 GMT -5
Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2019 13:06:01 GMT -5
If either QB has the ability to pick apart the defenses and if we have receivers who can get open, I hope Chesney will unleash them. Any word on Considine's running ability?
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May 26, 2019 13:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by crossbball13 on May 26, 2019 13:09:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure Considine was "Plan B" after Perry but obviously a welcome addition to the Hill. Perry headed to Brown most likely, which now will make that tilt even more interesting now. Are either of these claims based on anything factual? I’m extremely excited about Considine and don’t see him as a consolation prize.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2019 13:14:45 GMT -5
Pretty sure Considine was "Plan B" after Perry but obviously a welcome addition to the Hill. Perry headed to Brown most likely, which now will make that tilt even more interesting now. Are either of these claims based on anything factual? I’m extremely excited about Considine and don’t see him as a consolation prize. The little birdies are unimpeachable.
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Post by hc87 on May 26, 2019 17:59:30 GMT -5
I have a few Mark Felt-like sources in the football program...we don't meet in a dark, secluded pahhking garage though
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May 26, 2019 18:31:50 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 26, 2019 18:31:50 GMT -5
I have a few Mark Felt-like sources in the football program...we don't meet in dark, secluded pahhking garage though For the younger generation, Mark Felt was Deep Throat, a main source for Woodward and Bernstein's Watergate investigation; --, a nickname borrowed from a movie title which will never be shown in Kimball. www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2005/07/deepthroat200507__________________________________________________ Back to QB's, It was my sense last year that the RPO was put in for Clifford, who, because of his stature, had difficulty seeing downfield. But if one has an RPO quarterback without sufficient arm strength, the defense gets to cheat with half the field largely taken out of play. With Considine, three of the four top QBs this year are tall enough that the RPO won't be the primary offense (IMO) so there shouldn't be a repeat of last year when the stuttering offense had to switch gears after the first several games.
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May 26, 2019 18:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on May 26, 2019 18:47:01 GMT -5
Not necessarily. PWOs often also "sign" with teams.Its just not an NLI with a scholarship. NCAA rule is clear that a recruit cannot be announced until admitted to the College. For example, a number of PWOs were included in Lehigh announced class. Five more WOs were just announced last week after admission. Unlike recruited players, those WOs went thru the admission process in conjunction with the rest of the applicants. College Admission Depts grant a certain number of slots to coaches for recruits. Those recruits are in a separate pool from regular applicants. Holy Cross fans s/b familiar with slors as this was the battle Gilmore had for most of his career with Cross Admissions He was severely limited in the number of slots granted and even then not all of those slotted prospects got passed by your Dept. Right. My point was that imho there is a huge difference between PWO and “walk on”. I guess the words are interchangeable based on a posters’ agenda. Would like to know what scholarship offers he had coming out of hs. I imagine he had the opportunity to roster (both as a normal matriculating freshman and now as a transfer) at all the ivies, all the PL, and most (if not all) of the CAA. Obviously he is searching for a unique, immediate opportunity to play (with strong academics) and that contributed to significantly trimming his target school list. Based on that I don’t see why this isn’t a fantastic get. I imagine his short list was elite. There appears to be no publicly available information suggesting he had any scholarship offers out of high or that he had any others as a transfer from Wake. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have either but it sure doesn’t mean he did. It also doesn’t mean he won’t be great at HC. Just trying to deal in facts here.
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May 26, 2019 19:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by crossbball13 on May 26, 2019 19:10:27 GMT -5
Right. My point was that imho there is a huge difference between PWO and “walk on”. I guess the words are interchangeable based on a posters’ agenda. Would like to know what scholarship offers he had coming out of hs. I imagine he had the opportunity to roster (both as a normal matriculating freshman and now as a transfer) at all the ivies, all the PL, and most (if not all) of the CAA. Obviously he is searching for a unique, immediate opportunity to play (with strong academics) and that contributed to significantly trimming his target school list. Based on that I don’t see why this isn’t a fantastic get. I imagine his short list was elite. There appears to be no publicly available information suggesting he had any scholarship offers out of high or that he had any others as a transfer from Wake. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have either but it sure doesn’t mean he did. It also doesn’t mean he won’t be great at HC. Just trying to deal in facts here. I’d say there’s a zero percent chance he didn’t have offers out of hs and a zero percent chance he didn’t have offers other than hc as a transfer. I’ve heard Albany, URI, Old Dominion, Duquesne, Fordham, an ivy and another pl team were opportunities for him this go around. Among others. Like I said with his academics, he undoubtedly had an opportunity (albeit perhaps not great situations) to transfer to all pl, ivy and most CAA.
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May 26, 2019 19:44:32 GMT -5
Post by breezy on May 26, 2019 19:44:32 GMT -5
Here's an article on National Signing Day 2017: www.firstcoastnews.com/article/sports/high-school/signing-day-local-athletes-announce-where-theyll-play-college-sports-in-2017/77-395088868It includes the following: *** ST. JOSEPH Matthew Considine, Wake Forest, Football (Preferred Walk On) *** This is from his high school newsletter: www.sjaweb.org/pdf/Bi-Annual_Summer_2017_Online_Version_Final.pdf*** Matt Considine -- Football -- Wake Forest Matthew finished his football career at SJA with a 17-2 record as starting QB and led the Flashes to their first undefeated season in school history, winning the North Florida Football Conference championship title in 2015. He is a member of the National Honor Society with a 4.64 GPA and also a BSA Eagle Scout. Matt has accumulated hundreds of hours in Community Service over the past 4 years working at Camp I am Special, an SJA mission trip to St Croix, as well as numerous other Parish and community events. He recently received the St. Johns County Sports Club’s SJA Student Athlete of the Year award, together with the distinguished Pursuing Victory with Honor and STAR Student (top 3% in county) Awards. Picture: Matt is pictured with parents: Dr. Katherine Considine and Tracy Considine. Actively recruited by Southeastern University, U. of Penn, Fordham, and other prestigious colleges, Matthew signed with Wake Forest University on National Signing Day to continue with his football and academic pursuits. He is excited to become a “Demon Deacon” starting camp this July and the fall semester in August with plans to major in Health and Science for Pre-Medicine. ***
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Post by cmo on May 26, 2019 21:04:52 GMT -5
I have a few Mark Felt-like sources in the football program...we don't meet in a dark, secluded pahhking garage though Hopefully you don’t go out like Varys (Master of Whisperers) did on Game of Thrones
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May 26, 2019 21:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on May 26, 2019 21:05:50 GMT -5
Here’s an excerpt from an ACC report last season following the injury suffered by Wake’s starting QB: “As Johns notes, Wake Forest will turn to one of this quartet to replace Hartman: redshirt junior Kendall Hinton (suspended and injured at times this season, 1,504 career passing yards), redshirt sophomore Jamie Newman (7-of-15, one interception), redshirt freshman Tayvon Bowes (eight snaps in 2018) and walk-on Matthew Considine (12 snaps, 0-2 passing).’ accsports.com/acc-news/report-wake-forest-freshman-qb-sam-hartman-season/(Obviously this is after Considine went 0 for 2 during Wake’s 60 point blowout loss to Clemson... those remain his only college passing attempts.) Clearly he was looking at fifth string again this year so a move to compete for a chance to play by going FCS makes sense.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2019 21:43:49 GMT -5
Thanks Breezy. Observations from the newsletter: He's skinny...like a young Tom Brady. His mother is a Doctor and his parents are one of 11 parents who contributed to the annual appeal in addition to paying tuition. So perhaps Coach Chesney secured the transfer with a partial or no scholarship, which would be Auerbachian. Holy Cross must have been attractive to him because he is pre-med, because two recent HC QBs at least got signed by NFL teams, and because we could have offered the best opportunity for a transfer QB to earn the starting job out of all the high academic FCS teams. All in all it appears to be a very good match and very promising. Plus, Mr. Considine appears to have handled his transfer situation in a more straightforward and less cagey manner than the QB from BC we have discussed, if he ever considered transferring at all.
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May 26, 2019 23:20:29 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on May 26, 2019 23:20:29 GMT -5
Is it definite that he will be a Crusader ?
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Post by hc6774 on May 27, 2019 5:37:47 GMT -5
Is it definite that he will be a Crusader ? handshake definite?
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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2019 7:49:33 GMT -5
Whose hands ?
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May 27, 2019 7:53:58 GMT -5
Post by HCFC45 on May 27, 2019 7:53:58 GMT -5
I don't quite understand all the hype about MC... Reading about his high school stats and size you could almost substitute the name of a QB that we already have. In fact their college stats are also very similar... one has thrown twice with no completions while the other has thrown once with no completions! If MC does come to HC we will have two 6' 6" QB's who in their college careers have attempted 3 passes and no completions. Call me doubting Thomas, but I'll start getting really excited when I see results on the field that translate to W's! !
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May 27, 2019 8:00:58 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on May 27, 2019 8:00:58 GMT -5
If Considine becomes a Crusader, it will be because Chesney wants help at QB, probably sooner rather than later.
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May 27, 2019 8:03:34 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 27, 2019 8:03:34 GMT -5
A question: does a rostered player who is non-scollie at a school need to enter the transfer portal? Why would it matter to the school he is presently attending if he is not taking one of the 85 or 63 scollies? Its not as if the school now has to go and recruit behind him.
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May 27, 2019 8:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on May 27, 2019 8:27:00 GMT -5
I don't quite understand all the hype about MC... Reading about his high school stats and size you could almost substitute the name of a QB that we already have. In fact their college stats are also very similar... one has thrown twice with no completions while the other has thrown once with no completions! If MC does come to HC we will have two 6' 6" QB's who in their college careers have attempted 3 passes and no completions. Call me doubting Thomas, but I'll start getting really excited when I see results on the field that translate to W's! ! Precisely 13 feet of slender pro-style QB’s in the Junior class at HC would be pretty cool. Beyond that, we’ll have to wait and see.
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