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Post by longsuffering on Feb 23, 2020 19:17:19 GMT -5
Blaney and Miller played in the NBA. AB is made up of Grit and basketballs. Yes--well aware of that, and that is why I almost always have a disclaimer on posts of this type. Still an accomplishment for AB and his family to be proud of. Players who transfer generally don't get to be high up on lists like this for the rest of their lives or belong to a brotherhood with men like Father Markey, George Blaney and Malcom Miller who all played for and graduated from Holy Cross. The grass isn't always greener.
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 23, 2020 19:17:24 GMT -5
Colgate is currently the Patriot League gold standard in basketball (M & W).....Wow. They have not won this year’s tourneys yet. Better hope they don’t draw Loyola, they are the team nobody should want to play!
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Post by hchoops on Feb 23, 2020 19:19:43 GMT -5
In the last few games Austin Butler has passed Father Earle Markey, George Blaney, Malcolm Miller, and Jave Meade to reach #48 on the all-time points scored list for Holy Cross. Of course we know that freshmen did not play varsity ball from about 1950 to 1971 and that earlier teams played fewer games. Still AB has accomplished a lot and I believe there are a lot more points to come next season. Blaney and Miller played in the NBA. AB is made up of Grit and basketballs. Fr Markey turned down a pro contract to sign one with the Jesuits
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 23, 2020 19:21:17 GMT -5
Lower (no) pay but more job security.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 23, 2020 19:23:54 GMT -5
Langel is a good coach, but remember three months ago Nelson and RJ Evans walked on water. Let's see how they do with their own recruits.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 23, 2020 19:54:05 GMT -5
What do you expect- IMHO he's NEVER been funny. LMBAO! I knew Lowder was gone long before anyone. Check my posts Check your posts? IWREG!!!!
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Post by timholycross on Feb 23, 2020 19:59:24 GMT -5
Togo and daughter.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 23, 2020 20:03:18 GMT -5
Maybe we should give Nelson a little time and see what happens when he has a full team. The only guy playing on the team right now who was a meaningful contributor prior to this year was Butler. Faw and Niego were developing bigs who were role players (19 and 13 mpg). Verbeek was behind them. LeSann saw very few meaningful minutes prior to this year. Pridgen, Reilly and Wade were in high school.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 23, 2020 20:23:31 GMT -5
Maybe we should give Nelson a little time and see what happens when he has a full team. The only guy playing on the team right now who was a meaningful contributor prior to this year was Butler. Faw and Niego were developing bigs who were role players (19 and 13 mpg). Verbeek was behind them. LeSann saw very few meaningful minutes prior to this year. Pridgen, Reilly and Wade were in high school. To further that, this is the only college team I've ever followed or heard of that regularly has 4 players log 38-40 minutes a night. LeSann is definitely the feel-good story of this season. I was at his psycho game at West Point three years ago which heading into this season probably made up half of his total scoring production through his junior year.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 23, 2020 20:40:05 GMT -5
Maybe we should give Nelson a little time and see what happens when he has a full team. The only guy playing on the team right now who was a meaningful contributor prior to this year was Butler. Faw and Niego were developing bigs who were role players (19 and 13 mpg). Verbeek was behind them. LeSann saw very few meaningful minutes prior to this year. Pridgen, Reilly and Wade were in high school. To further that, this is the only college team I've ever followed or heard of that regularly has 4 players log 38-40 minutes a night. Only one I can think of that had players average more mpg was 2015 American team - Gardner, Reed, Schoof, and Jones. They averaged a bit more per game than the HC four.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 23, 2020 20:46:32 GMT -5
Maybe we should give Nelson a little time and see what happens when he has a full team. The only guy playing on the team right now who was a meaningful contributor prior to this year was Butler. Faw and Niego were developing bigs who were role players (19 and 13 mpg). Verbeek was behind them. LeSann saw very few meaningful minutes prior to this year. Pridgen, Reilly and Wade were in high school. To further that, this is the only college team I've ever followed or heard of that regularly has 4 players log 38-40 minutes a night. LeSann is definitely the feel-good story of this season. I was at his psycho game at West Point three years ago which heading into this season probably made up half of his total scoring production through his junior year. American in Brennan’s second year routinely played three or four guys 35+ minutes.
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 23, 2020 21:48:27 GMT -5
Hart got into the Lafayette game for his first varsity appearance I'm sure you're right, but they don't have him listed on the season's stat sheet. Not surprised by that... heck the guys at the scorer's table can't even update the two scoreboards to reflect who is in the game!
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Post by bison137 on Feb 23, 2020 22:02:00 GMT -5
I'm sure you're right, but they don't have him listed on the season's stat sheet. Not surprised by that... heck the guys at the scorer's table can't even update the two scoreboards to reflect who is in the game! I think the reason is that he only played 19 seconds in that game. The stat software that HC uses may not recognize him if his playing time doesn't round to 1 minute or more.
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Post by Tom on Feb 23, 2020 22:16:57 GMT -5
Wonder if HC has ever had TWO players in the same season dress for nearly every game and not play a minute. Hart and Sandy are in that category. A lot would depend on how many walk ons played over the year. This whole concept of lots of preferred walk ons being announced prior to arrival is pretty new. In fact, I don't remember it prior to Hart/Yeutter/Lovisolo.
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Post by possum on Feb 23, 2020 22:20:06 GMT -5
Don't understand with all the blowout games this year how Hart and Sandy have gotten no playing time. What is Nelson trying to prove playing Pridgen and Butler 40 minutes in a 30 point rout. It must be discouraging to practice every day and never get on the floor no matter how lopsided the game is.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 23, 2020 23:05:24 GMT -5
Don't understand with all the blowout games this year how Hart and Sandy have gotten no playing time. What is Nelson trying to prove playing Pridgen and Butler 40 minutes in a 30 point rout. It must be discouraging to practice every day and never get on the floor no matter how lopsided the game is. Roger that.
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 23, 2020 23:29:25 GMT -5
Don't understand with all the blowout games this year how Hart and Sandy have gotten no playing time. What is Nelson trying to prove playing Pridgen and Butler 40 minutes in a 30 point rout. It must be discouraging to practice every day and never get on the floor no matter how lopsided the game is. Roger that. Maybe he wants to avoid a 40 to 50 point blowout!
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Post by hc87 on Feb 23, 2020 23:39:21 GMT -5
HC hoop has been dead for a long time....the Willard years were a late-life, return to vitality brief moment in a dying patient.
We are so insignificant in D1 hoop in today's world..
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 23, 2020 23:41:03 GMT -5
Not surprised by that... heck the guys at the scorer's table can't even update the two scoreboards to reflect who is in the game! I think the reason is that he only played 19 seconds in that game. The stat software that HC uses may not recognize him if his playing time doesn't round to 1 minute or more. Bison... you should have quoted "newTim..." and not me! My comment on his quote referred to the guys at our scorer's table... they have problems updating our scoreboards with the players in the game!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2020 6:47:20 GMT -5
There probably will be struggles until 1) the coaches have a full roster to work with, and 2) they do not have to depend on freshmen for leading roles. That's why I think it's crucial for the staff to get another kid NOW with some size to pair with Mike R (thinking of 2021-22 and beyond).
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Post by efg72 on Feb 24, 2020 6:58:10 GMT -5
The PL is a league influenced/led by the play of seniors, and we have been missing that leadership and experience for a few years.
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Post by possum on Feb 24, 2020 7:35:24 GMT -5
The two best teams in the league are each losing one player to graduation this year hardly senior laden teams. Our problem is we don't have enough good players notwithstanding what class they are in.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 24, 2020 7:49:48 GMT -5
Possum I haven’t reviewed it but my guess is the ALL PL teams over the years were highlighted by seniors. That probably would be the case for most successful mid-major programs and conferences
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Post by HC92 on Feb 24, 2020 8:15:48 GMT -5
Possum I haven’t reviewed it but my guess is the ALL PL teams over the years were highlighted by seniors. That probably would be the case for most successful mid-major programs and conferences Six of the top ten scorers in the league (and 7 of the top 11) are Seniors. Three are Juniors. One is Pridgen.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 24, 2020 8:41:39 GMT -5
Possum I haven’t reviewed it but my guess is the ALL PL teams over the years were highlighted by seniors. Maybe. But it's a team game. And just looking over the last decade, there have only been two regular season champions whose success was inarguably due to its senior class - Bucknell in 2012-13 and 2017-18.
2009-10. Lehigh. Clearly led by freshman phenom CJ McCollum. Three of top seven in minutes were seniors.
2010-11. Bucknell. Led by sophomore Mike Muscala. Only two of top seven in minutes were seniors.
2011-12. Bucknell. Led by Muscala. Only one senior among top seven.
2013-14. BU. Regular-season champ led by sophomore Mo Watson. Three of top eight were seniors. AU. PLT champion. Arguable whether success "led" by senior C Tony Wroblicky or soph PG Pee Wee Gardner. Wroblicky was the only contributing senior on the team.
2014-15. Bucknell. Led by junior Chris Hass. Only one of top eight was a senior.
2015-16. Bucknell. Hass led team in scoring, and two other seniors among top eight. Super-soph class (Foulland/Thomas/Brown) was a major factor in success.
2016-17. Bucknell. Led by the three juniors. No major contributions by seniors.
2018-19. Colgate. Led by three juniors. Minor contributions from two seniors
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