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Post by HC92 on May 17, 2020 9:42:38 GMT -5
There is a lot of optimism about the 8 new guys we have coming to HC in the Fall. We spend a lot of time talking about other offers but this info is buried in threads all over the place so I thought I'd consolidate it for the whole roster here. Might be good to track future classes this way in one thread as well. Some of these offers might have been off the table by the time of the HC commit and others might be unknown so this isn't perfect but hopefully interesting and relatively accurate. Verbalcommits.com is my source and I have not made any effort to verify or alter their info for this purpose. They did not have a link to Faw's other offers so I had to use another source. I added verbal commitment month and year in case anyone is interested in that. Guys who commit earlier obviously have less time to tack on additional offers. To give another way of looking at the pace of the turnover over our roster, of the non-seniors, Ryan Wade was the earliest to commit and that was 12 months ago. I was also reminded during my research that Faw and Butler visited together and committed within a week of each other in August 2016. Glad they're both still here to lead the new guys and start the process of getting us back where we all want to be. Might be fun to look back in a few years and see how each of the new guys turned out relative to offers. If history is any guide, other offers won't be super-predictive of what kinds of players they turn out to be at HC. Graduating Class of 2024: Coulibaly (BU, Youngstown St, South Dakota, Delaware St, UMKC) (April 2020) Humphrey (Lafayette, Brown, Sam Houston St, Cleveland St, Kent St.) (September 2019) Johnson (None) (January 2020) Martindale (Gardner-Webb, Vermont, Bucknell, American, Fairfield, Quinnipiac, Cal Poly, UNC - Greensboro, BU, St. Francis Brooklyn, Manhattan, South Dakota, UMBC, Cleveland St, Brown, Bryant, Iona (October 2019) Montgomery (SIUE, Campbell, Howard) (March 2020) Rabinovich (UNH, Hartford, UMBC, SHU, Lehigh, American, BU, Brown (October 2019) Graduating Class of 2023: Gates (HS offers - UNH, Alcorn St, UNO, UT - Martin; Transfer offers - Albany) (May 2020) Reilly (Jacksonville, Hartford) (August 2019) Wade (Central Michigan, Detroit, Kent State, Toledo, Air Force, San Diego, North Dakota, Sam Houston St, Lehigh) (May 2019) Graduating Class of 2022: Townsel (None) (April 2020) Graduating Class of 2021: Butler (Navy, UNH) (August 2016) Faw (American, Navy, Lafayette) (source: papreplive.com/2016/08/12/upper-merions-matt-faw-commits-to-holy-cross/) (August 2016) |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 17, 2020 12:11:07 GMT -5
Fantastic work, 92!!!
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Post by HC92 on May 17, 2020 12:28:47 GMT -5
Turns out I’ve come into some extra free time. |
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2020 12:36:05 GMT -5
92, Get in the driveway with ball handling drills for the Fab Four
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Post by longsuffering on May 17, 2020 13:26:02 GMT -5
Great work. The bond between Faw and Butler must be tremendous after four years together starting in August, 2016 when they both chose Holy Cross over Navy and stayed true to their school together when everyone else from their six player class bailed. What a great senior leadership duo as role models for the incoming eight.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 17, 2020 14:20:11 GMT -5
Thanks, 92.
The collection of offers for the 4 guys Nelson signed in the normal signing period in the Fall is likely the best in 10+ years, if not longer.
The Beans/Stevens/Obeysekere/Goens class led by Beans (MAC, American, others) and Stevens (Bucknell, Siena, others) was probably the last group on that level.
Pretty dang good considering Nelson was hired on July 3rd.
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Post by possum on May 17, 2020 14:32:45 GMT -5
BBC hope they play at a higher level than that group.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 17, 2020 14:49:09 GMT -5
Thanks, 92. The collection of offers for the 4 guys Nelson signed in the normal signing period in the Fall is likely the best in 10+ years, if not longer. The Beans/Stevens/Obeysekere/Goens class led by Beans (MAC, American, others) and Stevens (Bucknell, Siena, others) was probably the last group on that level. Pretty dang good considering Nelson was hired on July 3rd. Yet, despite the offers, the Beans et al group may not have had the same level of contributions on the court as some other classes, right? |
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 17, 2020 15:29:54 GMT -5
Martindale is the most promising talent since Malcolm, imho, but likely will start his career faster. Would be surprised if he got less than 30mpg on the wing, right out of the gate.
RJ gets the keys to the car, hope he can drive responsibly.
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2020 15:30:05 GMT -5
Do not know if RJ had definite offers, but he had an official visit to Appalachian State. Schools do not often extend official visits to players they have not offered.
Presbyterian was also interested and some Coach from there was at the same game that one of our coaches was at in early January.
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2020 15:33:37 GMT -5
Martindale is the most promising talent since Malcolm, imho, but likely will start his career faster. Would be surprised if he got less than 30mpg on the wing, right out of the gate. Possibly, but two of the three returning regulars are wings also, as well as multiple other freshmen. Maybe some minutes could be at the 4, where he often played at WA. Less crowded there. |
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Post by hc17 on May 17, 2020 15:35:06 GMT -5
From the limited clips I saw of Judson and Mike, they both appear to have the ability to impact the game without the ball in their hands all the time, which should help the overall flow of the offense.
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Post by sader1970 on May 17, 2020 15:43:01 GMT -5
While this group is probably stronger than Carmody brought in, just based on other offers, it does not appear that Nelson has come close to what Bob Chesney has accomplished in his short tenure. I know, apples to oranges, right?
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Post by longsuffering on May 17, 2020 15:58:07 GMT -5
Chesney had an advantage of being able to sell his past head coaching success, Nelson signed his guys with perhaps less head coaching success to sell than any other coach in America. The more the team lost the more the W.A. guys kept coming to games. That says something for Nelson. Their attitude as I recall is "Let's build something special together!"
Having said that, thank God for Coach Chesney today and every day.
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2020 16:12:49 GMT -5
While this group is probably stronger than Carmody brought in, just based on other offers, it does not appear that Nelson has come close to what Bob Chesney has accomplished in his short tenure. I know, apples to oranges, right? How about apples to concrete ? |
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Post by rgs318 on May 17, 2020 16:29:13 GMT -5
I wonder what Nelson would do with 63 scholarships?  Let's try to keep comparisons in the same ballpark if we can (and thanks to bison for the correction). |
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 17, 2020 16:32:41 GMT -5
While this group is probably stronger than Carmody brought in, just based on other offers, it does not appear that Nelson has come close to what Bob Chesney has accomplished in his short tenure. I know, apples to oranges, right? How about apples to concrete ? I was going to say apples to tractor trailer trucks. Nelson has been on the job for 10 months, and inherited a significantly worse hand than Chesney. |
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Post by bison137 on May 17, 2020 16:38:54 GMT -5
I wonder what Nelson would do with 90 scholarships? What would Chesney do with 90 scholarships? Or even 63? |
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Post by longsuffering on May 17, 2020 16:48:24 GMT -5
I wonder what Nelson would do with 90 scholarships? What would Chesney do with 90 scholarships? Or even 63? Give B.C. a spanking. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 17, 2020 16:52:14 GMT -5
Thanks, 92. The collection of offers for the 4 guys Nelson signed in the normal signing period in the Fall is likely the best in 10+ years, if not longer. The Beans/Stevens/Obeysekere/Goens class led by Beans (MAC, American, others) and Stevens (Bucknell, Siena, others) was probably the last group on that level. Pretty dang good considering Nelson was hired on July 3rd. Yet, despite the offers, the Beans et al group may not have had the same level of contributions on the court as some other classes, right? Certainly. Post-career recruiting class analysis over the past 15-20 years would also be very interesting. |
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2020 17:11:39 GMT -5
I will take the Torey- Keith class first and the Szatko- Wilson second, (especially when Big Pat joined them)
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Post by bison137 on May 17, 2020 17:38:14 GMT -5
Back in November, I had done a similar list for all PL signees. Just updated it on the Bucknell board.
AMERICAN: (5 commits, maybe 1 scholarship remaining)
- Colin Smalls . AU . 6-0 PG ( MD ) Committed June 2019 . 6 offers - AU, Stony Brook, Columbia, RMU, LC, Lowell
- Matt Rogers . AU . 6-7 PF ( MD ) Committed August 2019 . 8 offers - AU, Boston, Navy, Fairfield, Lowell, Bing, Air Force, Canisius
- Victor Brown . AU . 6-4 SG ( FL ) Committed April 2020 . 1 - AU
- Christian Lorng (JUCO) AU . 6-9 C ( France/VA ) Committed Mar 31 2020 . 1 - AU; committed to Wake two years earlier but didn't qualify academically; had some other P6 offers as soph/junior in HS, 9 offers in total.
- Johnny O'Neil AU . 6-8 PF ( FL ) Committed January 2020 . 2 - AU, SC Upstate
ARMY: (12 commits, no NCAA limit) - showing only the "better" recruits
- Isaiah Caldwell . Army . 6-4 PG ( SC ) Committed October 2019 . 5 offers - Army, Navy, Dartmouth, Presb.,USC Upstate,
- Jared Cross . Army . 6-4 SG ( VA ) Committed October 2019 . 5 - Army, Navy, Towson, ETSU, Coppin
- Matt Fleming # . Army . 6-5 SF ( ME ) Committed July 2019 . 2 - Army, Maine (Currently at MAPS)
- Matt Dove # . Army . 6-9 C ( IN ) Committed June 2019 . 1 - Army (Currently at MAPS)
- Charlie Peterson . Army . 6-9 PF ( IN ) Committed September 2019 . 1 - Army
- Zach Lezanic . Army . 6-1 PG ( PA ) Committed January 2020 . 3 - Army, Lafayette, Navy
- Griffin Lamb . Army . 6-8 PF ( AZ ) Committed April 2020 . 1 - Army
BOSTON: (3 commits, no scholarships remaining)
- Miles Brewster . Bos . 6-4 SG ( NY/CT ) Committed September 2019 . 10 offers - Boston, Bucknell, LU, Brown, Yale, Dartmouth, CCSU, Elon, NJIT, Canisius
- CJ Jones . Bos . 6-5 Wing ( CA/CT ) Committed October 2019 . 11 - Boston, Bucknell, HC, Army, Siena, Niagara, Fairfield, SHU, Penn, Vermont, SD (5th year of HS)
- Anthony Morales . Bos . 6-8 SF ( MA ) Committed September 2019 . 6 - Boston, Vermont, Bryant, Brown, Canisius, MSM
BUCKNELL: (3 commits plus 1 transfer, one scholarship remaining)
- Andre Screen . Buck . 6-11 C ( VA ) Committed September 2019 . 23 offers (7) - Bucknell, Lehigh, Boston, Loyola, American, ST JOES, URI, LA Salle, GMU, ST BONA, AKRON, OHIO, Columbia, Towson, JMU, Fairfield, Howard, MSM, Brown, Delaware, Northeastern, Cleveland, Radford,
- Deuce Turner . Buck . 6-2 SG ( PA ) Committed July 2019 . 9 (2) - Bucknell, ST JOES, LA SALLE, Lehigh, Loyola, Delaware, RMU, MSM, Hartford
- Josh Adoh . Buck . 6-4 Wing ( CA/NC ) Committed March 2020 . 2 - Bucknell, SC Upstate
- Miles Latimer (Stony Brook Transfer) . Buck . 6-3 CG ( VA ) Committed March 30 2020 . 8 - Bucknell, Stony Brook, Towson, Boston U, Q'pac, UMBC, Brown, Lafayette
COLGATE: (3 commits, none remaining)
- Alex Capitano . Colg . 6-4 SG ( PA ) Committed June 2019 . 3 offers - Colgate, LC, Columbia
- Sam Thomson . Colg . 6-8 PF/C ( CAN ) Committed August 2019 . 20 (1) - Colgate, Bucknell, HC, Boston, Lehigh, American, BRADLEY, Dartmouth, Brown, Penn, Vermont, SHU, UNH, MSM, Siena, Elon, San Fran, Canisius, Wofford, Merrimack
- Jeff Woodward . Colg . 6-10 C ( PA ) Committed August 2019 . 3 - Colgate, American, Army
LAFAYETTE: (3 commits, 1 left)
- Jon Brantley . LC . 6-2 CG ( MI ) Committed September 2019 . 4 offers - LC, Boston, NJIT, Brown
- Eric Sondberg . LC . 6-5 Wing ( MD ) Committed July 2019 . 1 - LC
- Kyle Jenkins . LC . 6-7 SF ( CT ) Committed June 2019 . 2 - LC, CCSU
LEHIGH: (4 commits plus 1 walk-on, none left)
- Jalin Sinclair . Leh . 5-10 PG ( NY/CT ) Committed March 2019 . 3 offers - Lehigh, Iona, Stony Brook
- Ben Li . Leh . 6-6 SF ( CAN/VA ) Committed May 2019 . 4 - Lehigh, American, LIU, MSM
- John Thomas Tan . Leh . 6-8 PF ( CA ) Committed October 2019 . 4 - Lehigh, American, Montana, UC SD
- Luke Traina . Leh . 6-5 Wing ( PA Committed October 2019 . Preferred Walk-on; 1 - Charleston Southern (LU: some need-based aid)
- Dominic Parolin . Leh . 6-8 PF ( CAN Committed April 2020 . 1 - Lehigh
LOYOLA: (2 or 3 commits, one or two scholarships left)
- Wade Jackson . Loy . 6-2 SG ( MD ) Committed July 2019 . 3 - Loyola, Radford, Fairfield
- Cameron Tweedy (?) . Loy . 6-6 SF ( MD ) Committed June 2019 . 2 - Loyola, Howard; committed to LU 6/19 but never signed.
- Alonso Faure . Loy . 6-10 C ( Spain ) Committed March 2020 . No info about other offers, but was a very good player in Europe
NAVY: (13 commits, no NCAA limit) - showing only the "better" recruits Committe d
- Charles West # . Navy . 6-3 PG ( FL ) Committed October 2019 . 2 offers - Navy, Army (Currently at NAPS)
- Trae Broadnax # . Navy . 6-3 CG ( GA/FL ) Committed May 2019 . 18 (2) - FL STATE, GEORGIA, Bucknell, FGCU, UMass, UNCG, UAB, Charleston, USF, Tulane, Rice, UMES, Wofford, etc. (Currently at NAPS) - got most of his offers by the summer after his soph year and no offers after July after junior year. Did not commit until late May of senior year - well after Late Signing Period began.
- Jacob Radaker . Navy . 6-9 PF/C ( GA ) Committed July 2019 . 2 - Navy, Chatanooga
- Anthony Atkinson # . Navy . 6-6 SF ( NC ) Committed Spring 2019 . 2 - Navy, JMU (Currently at NAPS)
- Josh Hall . Navy . 6-9 PF ( FL ) Committed November 2019 . 2 - Navy, High Point
# = doing post-grad year at Service Academy prep school (MAPS or NAPS), so date of commitment does not match up with other players. In other words, a commitment in Fall of 2018 would be normal and a commitment in Spring of 2019 would be late.
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The interesting case in the names above is Trae Broadnax. His father is Horace Broadnax, PG at Georgetown with Patrick Ewing, who has been head coach at Savannah State for 15+ years. Trae got offers from both Georgia and Florida State just after he finished his sophomore year in high school - very early for someone other than a super-star. After that, he got more offers - but none from major schools. And he got no more offers after July following his junior year. He did not commit during the early signing period (November of senior year), did not commit during his senior season, and did not commit during the main part of the late signing period which starts April 15th. Then in May, he finally committed to Navy. It is unclear why he didn't commit at any of the normal times and also unclear how many offers - if any - were still on the table by May of his senior year. It's impossible to tell, although I think it is very likely that the offers from Florida State and Georgia were ones he could not have accepted and were off the table by the end of his junior season. In any event, he is now red-shirting at NAPS, and it will be interesting to see how his career progresses.
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Post by hchoops on May 17, 2020 18:09:34 GMT -5
Going back further, Potter/ Vicens, Blaney/ Shea, Togo/ Perry sr, Cooz, Laska, Oftring; Heinsohn, Prohovich, Liebler; Doyle/Schnurr
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 17, 2020 18:35:19 GMT -5
LOYOLA: (2 or 3 commits, one or two scholarships left) - Wade Jackson . Loy . 6-2 SG ( MD ) Committed July 2019 . 3 - Loyola, Radford, Fairfield - Cameron Tweedy (?) . Loy . 6-6 SF ( MD ) Committed June 2019 . 2 - Loyola, Howard; committed to LU 6/19 but never signed. - Alonso Faure . Loy . 6-10 C ( Spain ) Committed March 2020 . No info about other offers, but was a very good player in Europe Loyola has also gotten 2021 commitments from 6-9 twins, Veljko and Milos Ilic, Serbian nationals playing for the Hoosac School in New York.
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Post by southernsader on May 17, 2020 18:57:03 GMT -5
Going back further, Potter/ Vicens, Blaney/ Shea, Togo/ Perry sr, Cooz, Laska, Oftring; Heinsohn, Prohovich, Liebler; Doyle/Schnurr Doyle, Scnurr, Bruce Grentz & Kevin Stacom |
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