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Post by hchoops on Oct 23, 2020 20:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 24, 2020 19:34:35 GMT -5
WOW, I hope all the games are somehow available to view.....Looks like a very good, well though out program......It would be great if HC could get an invite somehow!!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 24, 2020 19:58:29 GMT -5
Last year's 3-39 record might dampen enthusiasm to give an invite to HC. We start next season riding a 12 game losing streak.
Yeah, I know, new season-new team.
Edit: yes BIG typo! NOT 3-39, 3-29. Sorry for the goof!
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Post by hchoops on Oct 24, 2020 20:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Oct 24, 2020 20:24:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, new season-new team. Never before has that phrase been so true
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 24, 2020 20:59:27 GMT -5
This team's record is currently 0-0. Past records do not interest me...what is done is done. I know. some fixate on them, but I wonder why some feel the need to share last year's record as if no one knew it? Masochism?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 24, 2020 21:19:55 GMT -5
3-29 was shared to illustrate among the reasons HC won't get an invite to this event after someone with very wishful thinking hoped they would. What's wrong with that?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 24, 2020 22:04:00 GMT -5
I see your point. That makes sense if the tournament wants only the best teams. In past years, HC has been used as "cannon fodder" more than once. If that is what they want there could be reason to see our bad record last year as a plus. Also, league differences/matchups, number of fans who travel to see a team (although probably not this year) and geography can be as important as a past record...or more so.
(...and a typo first shared that the record was 3-39. Hopefully it will not be too long until those numbers are irrelevant to the current team.)
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 24, 2020 22:25:49 GMT -5
They may not need the best, but they sure don't want the worst.
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Post by hceconhist on Oct 24, 2020 22:40:01 GMT -5
I see your point. That makes sense if the tournament wants only the best teams. In past years, HC has been used as "cannon fodder" more than once. If that is what they want there could be reason to see our bad record last year as a plus. Also, league differences/matchups, number of fans who travel to see a team (although probably not this year) and geography can be as important as a past record...or more so. (...and a typo first shared that the record was 3-39. Hopefully it will not be too long until those numbers are irrelevant to the current team.) Well, we were supposed to be "cannon fodder" in the 2012 tournament at Old Dominion, and look at how that turned out for them
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 24, 2020 22:45:46 GMT -5
"Bubbleville" will have women's teams also. HC is not the worst WBB team. I hope the PL wouldn't prohibit this opportunity if it becomes available.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 25, 2020 9:19:55 GMT -5
Rob, not masochism but the reason why I think we have no chance for an invite because I'm pretty sure that those making the invitations have nothing more to look at than what the most recent history is of a coach who is riding a 12 game losing streak. If, for example, those 3 wins were the final 3 games of the season, perhaps you could say "horrible season but they've turned a corner."
For the theory that the inviters would like some canon fodder, I think that's possible IF the team just is poor, like 10-22 for example. But 3-29 my guess is a team that beats us, even easily, would see their ratings go down. Inviters have nothing else to go on, not reading press briefings about how great our incoming recruits are. A lose-lose situation for opponents.
And, yes, I will admit and stipulate that I am "down" on Nelson for all the reasons I've posted before. Yes, I want him to succeed and especially the players. But until he proves on the court that he is the winner we thought he was when he was hired, he gets no "grace time" from me. I fully understand that some/most here think that Carmody's recruited players that left were poor quality players (with a couple of exceptions) and no loss to the program, but I'd have more respect if Nelson "made do" with who he inherited even if that meant struggling 2-3 years. As poor a coach as Carmody was, I would have bet he would have won a LOT more than 3 games. A coach, in this case, Nelson, needs to adapt to the strengths and weaknesses of the players he had. Willard was great at that.
But, I digress as usual. I'm willing to bet we get no invite to this tournament/event/whatever you call it. Not happy or gloating about it. But we need to be realistic.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 25, 2020 9:26:20 GMT -5
HC won the off season. We don't need this stinkin' local jamboree.😉
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2020 10:04:48 GMT -5
sader70, Thanks for the detailed explanation of your use of last year's record. I admit to having a sore spot on using old records (only bad ones for some since the 4 straight upset road wins and PL Title were often omitted in their rants against Carmody). I also got tired of hearing about Brown's record at MSM. I remember St John's setting themselves up for easy wins at their home court in the tournament they sponsored for years. I am hoping to see growth - both in the players and the coaches - in the coming season. Last year's record was troubling, as was the loss of so many familiar races from the team. I pray that this is a time for a fresh start and for the beginning of a winning culture on the Hill once again.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 25, 2020 11:42:02 GMT -5
Most likely the PL will have no OOC games, so moot discussion.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2020 11:44:08 GMT -5
Why do you think that is the most likely case?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 25, 2020 12:19:17 GMT -5
It has been reported by more than one source.
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Post by sader81 on Oct 25, 2020 15:04:29 GMT -5
Notwithstanding last year’s poor record, I think HC has a decent chance of landing at the Sun. They will need some low/mid major teams to fill the bubble, and I doubt they will pull in teams a plane ride away to fill the slots. Worcester is an hour away, and may bring a few fans in to fill the seats, and the slots, and at least one crap table. Belmont, a great mid major, came there a few years ago and had no following. The Sun cares about more things than basketball.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2020 15:16:14 GMT -5
It has been reported by more than one source. Thanks, but which specific sources reported that the PL had decided against any OOC games. I had not realized the PL made such a decision - effecting all members.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 25, 2020 15:43:09 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Oct 25, 2020 15:45:08 GMT -5
The PL has said nothing official, but Dana O’Neill of the Athletic last week was at least the second source to say that neither the Ivy nor the PL was playing OOC games.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2020 15:54:22 GMT -5
I remember the thread (and just reviewed it) and also that several people said in it that there had not yet been any official PL announcement. Has there been one? That is what I am trying to find out.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 25, 2020 16:05:14 GMT -5
You asked "what sources". Two were provided.
As to when the PL will make it official - count on it being the day after the Ivy does.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2020 16:14:08 GMT -5
OK, as useful as they were, I was looking for an actual Patriot League source, not an "as so and so said..." I don't believe that Rothstein or O'Neill speak for the PL. I have come to not expect full open communication from the PL, but on such an important topic I would think a formal statement would be appropriate. As to the PL following the lead of the IL, you are (sadly) most likely correct.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 25, 2020 17:37:21 GMT -5
Good to see a post by 81. Started to think he was COVID quarantining. 😷
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