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Post by longsuffering on May 3, 2021 19:38:38 GMT -5
While not realistic or desired by a majority on the board- what would it require us to do to have a 5 year plan to be in the FBS as a legitimate team-not like UMASS or UCONN, but like Army/Navy? What school is in FBS has the lowest number of students? Other than that I’m ready and Fitton is ready. Think Fitton would sell out if HC went FBS? 🧐 Do cardboard cut-outs count?
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Post by hc87 on May 3, 2021 19:44:40 GMT -5
We coulda (and shoulda) been in the Big East....we lost a lot of past and future notoriety/brand etc when we didn't do so.
Going FBS in football really isn't feasible for a host of reasons.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 3, 2021 19:45:05 GMT -5
This discussion is absurd.
You got a better shot of hitting the lottery and getting zapped by lightning on the same day than you do of HC ever so much as broaching the idea of 1A.
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Post by efg72 on May 3, 2021 19:51:36 GMT -5
Ok a question-not a statement
Are we at the end of the beginning of the rebuild or are we closer to the beginning of the end?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 3, 2021 19:58:25 GMT -5
Wut?
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Post by hc87 on May 3, 2021 20:00:04 GMT -5
It's worth discussing...what are these boards for anyway?
I just don't think going FBS ala UConn and UMass (or even Navy) will really push the needle for HC's brand. In college football, it's really all about the P5 conferences (B1G, SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12) which we really have no pathway into. We're better off playing the Ivies, other like-minded schools etc in football in many ways in terms of brand recognition. Would you rather HC play Harvard and Yale in football or UNCC and Old Dominion?
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 3, 2021 20:00:13 GMT -5
What school is in FBS has the lowest number of students? Per Wikipedia, it's Tulsa (3,174 undergraduates)
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Post by thecrossisback on May 3, 2021 20:31:10 GMT -5
Of course HC won’t be in FBS. But the idea that the college football landscape will be the same in the next 10-20 years I think is wrong. Schools will drop and new conferences will have to be formed.
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Post by longsuffering on May 3, 2021 22:20:21 GMT -5
It's worth discussing...what are these boards for anyway? I just don't think going FBS ala UConn and UMass (or even Navy) will really push the needle for HC's brand. In college football, it's really all about the P5 conferences (B1G, SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12) which we really have no pathway into. We're better off playing the Ivies, other like-minded schools etc in football in many ways in terms of brand recognition. Would you rather HC play Harvard and Yale in football or UNCC and Old Dominion? Hahvahd and Yale please. I'd like to get up in the morning, check the weather and the arthritis and drive to the game if I choose to. Interesting how the old Southwest Conference got hip checked out of a seat when conference musical chairs was played.
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Post by longsuffering on May 3, 2021 22:25:56 GMT -5
Of course HC won’t be in FBS. But the idea that the college football landscape will be the same in the next 10-20 years I think is wrong. Schools will drop and new conferences will have to be formed. UMass and UConn may need a football home in FCS. Long term, futility has few friends.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 3, 2021 23:16:06 GMT -5
Hahvahd and Yale please. I'd like to get up in the morning, check the weather and the arthritis and drive to the game if I choose to. Interesting how the old Southwest Conference got hip checked out of a seat when conference musical chairs was played. The SWC wasn't deep-sixed like ESPN did to Big East football, they ate their own. Teams would regularly turn each other in for recruiting violations. Within the next five years, FCS could lose the MEAC and the Southland and possibly a split of the MVFC. Where is Holy Cross in 10 years? Can a one-bid PL survive status quo another decade?
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Post by bfoley82 on May 3, 2021 23:36:28 GMT -5
That is EXTREMELY low. No clue why Fordham would agree to that low of a price.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 3, 2021 23:40:59 GMT -5
Ok a question-not a statement Are we at the end of the beginning of the rebuild or are we closer to the beginning of the end? I think we are where Mr Churchill said the Allies were when he was asked the question: we are at the end of the beginning of the rebuild of the HC football program and should be gaining momentum
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Post by hc6774 on May 4, 2021 5:28:42 GMT -5
While not realistic or desired by a majority on the board- what would it require us to do to have a 5 year plan to be in the FBS as a legitimate team-not like UMASS or UCONN, but like Army/Navy? What school is in FBS has the lowest number of students? Other than that I’m ready and Fitton is ready. Think Fitton would sell out if HC went FBS? 🧐 Army/Navy have 4000 & no grad school; 80% male?
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Post by hcpride on May 4, 2021 5:38:05 GMT -5
As long as we’re just spitballing, a football move to the CAA would be a great step up. Haven’t thought this thru for other sports but CAA football is precisely where I’d like us to be.
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Post by HC92 on May 4, 2021 5:40:02 GMT -5
That is EXTREMELY low. No clue why Fordham would agree to that low of a price. The game is in 4 months. Guessing they were choosing between getting $500K on that day or getting nothing. It doesn’t matter what someone else got paid for another game. It matters what Fordham could have gotten paid for another game on this open date in 4 months. I’m assuming this was the best offer on the table.
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Post by alum on May 4, 2021 7:02:23 GMT -5
You take a $500,000 game because
1. The players want to play the game. 2. The recruits who wish they were FBS players can tell their friends that they will get a chance in college to show their stuff against the big time. 3. It covers the salary and benefits for most of the assistant coaches at the FCS level.
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Post by Tom on May 4, 2021 7:38:57 GMT -5
Is it possible that guarantees will be down this year to compensate for athletic red ink from COVID?
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Post by timholycross on May 4, 2021 8:50:10 GMT -5
Is it possible that guarantees will be down this year to compensate for athletic red ink from COVID? If the contract was signed after March of 2020, then, yes.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 4, 2021 8:51:20 GMT -5
Had the exact same thought, Tom.
If you are going to presume that FCS schools are looking for pay days to help athletic departments with budget shortfalls from 2020-2021, you have to likewise presume that FBS schools are reducing pay-outs for the same reason.
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Post by timholycross on May 4, 2021 8:53:39 GMT -5
As long as we’re just spitballing, a football move to the CAA would be a great step up. Haven’t thought this thru for other sports but CAA football is precisely where I’d like us to be. Getting back to efg's original thoughts- independent fbs football is a non-starter unless you're Notre Dame, Army or BYU. Anyone who argues otherwise is crazy. There is no FBS league that would have Holy Cross or a member AND/OR (math major here) Holy Cross would want to join. Your CAA point is the only valid upgrade I can imagine; and that's an extreme longshot to boot.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2021 10:00:46 GMT -5
The PL as a one bid seven team league offers everyone a decent chance to get to the playoffs.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2021 10:03:45 GMT -5
Had the exact same thought, Tom. If you are going to presume that FCS schools are looking for pay days to help athletic departments with budget shortfalls from 2020-2021, you have to likewise presume that FBS schools are reducing pay-outs for the same reason. Nebraska probably couldn't go too high for a guarantee when the deal was signed because they couldn't be completely sure how many fans would be allowed to attend. Maybe if it's a sellout there's a provision for a higher pay out.
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Post by hc87 on May 4, 2021 10:09:02 GMT -5
It's a tough call....the CAA in football is obviously a step-up but for all my bemoaning of the PL in general, it's a pretty good fit for HC football. Outside of the Pennsy schools, we have strong historical/institutional ties with Colgate, Georgetown and Fordham. The size of the league for football allows for great OOC scheduling opportunities. We have a realistic shot of winning the league in football most years. We can almost be "quasi-CAA" by scheduling 2 or so of those schools every year moving forward.
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Post by timholycross on May 4, 2021 10:29:25 GMT -5
It's a tough call....the CAA in football is obviously a step-up but for all my bemoaning of the PL in general, it's a pretty good fit for HC football. Outside of the Pennsy schools, we have strong historical/institutional ties with Colgate, Georgetown and Fordham. The size of the league for football allows for great OOC scheduling opportunities. We have a realistic shot of winning the league in football most years. We can almost be "quasi-CAA" by scheduling 2 or so of those schools every year moving forward. ...especially if they can keep the series w/Harvard & Yale going annually or 7+ times every 10 years. It is good competition and those running the sport know it.
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