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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 29, 2021 13:38:53 GMT -5
I looked at the comparative stats prior to the Sacred Heart game and told myself, we're bigger (at least more 300 pound hefties on the lines), faster, and had some quality opponents. I didn't realize it would be such an evenly matched game. Looking at the stats, I am sure some Nova fans are telling themselves the same thing! Let's hope so!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2021 14:00:16 GMT -5
Here's how the teams stack up as far as players by class-using each team's roster. Of course we don't know from this list how many players from either team played a year in prep school. how early or late they were born for the school year, and who gets playing time. Class=Villanova Count---VS---Holy Cross Count of players on roster Freshmen= 13---VS---18 RS Freshmen= 17---VS---0 Sophomores= 9---VS---22 Juniors= 19---VS---22 Seniors= 16---VS---29 Grad Students= 16---VS---0 Some of Villanova's grad students may be the equivalent of HC's Super Seniors. I won't ask you to go through the Grad students and HC senior students to determine how many are playing their fifth ( or sixth?) year of ball.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 29, 2021 14:21:45 GMT -5
Ability to redshirt and #s of 5th year players -- likely the biggest advantage the CAA has over the Patriot League
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 29, 2021 14:58:08 GMT -5
Setting aside the Villanova freshmen who are sitting out the season as redshirts, and I believe showing up next season as "redshirt freshmen", perhaps a simple was to look at this would be to say that we have the same cadres of 19-20-&21 year olds but that we have a dozen more 18 year olds versus a dozen more 22 or 23 year olds for Villanova
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 29, 2021 15:14:57 GMT -5
To get everyone a little more optimistic, one of the guys on defense who had 18 tackles against the Pioneers wrote to me:
"I believe in our guys! We have a great bond amongst each other and trust everyone to do their part! It will be a very fun week!"
I especially like the last sentence.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 29, 2021 15:46:43 GMT -5
In an interesting parallel to our own Jacob Dobbs, Nova's star linebacker (Forrest Rhyne) was the CAA Defensive Player of the year.
One quote from Nova's website: Rhyne had the biggest outing of his career in one of the Wildcats biggest wins in recent memory when he had a career-high 20 total tackles in a 28-27 road win over then-No. 3 James Madison which snapped the Dukes 15-game winning streak against conference opponents... Rhyne has made 96 of his 112 tackles against the run this season for a Villanova defense which ranks second in the CAA and 10th nationally with an average of 93.7 rushing yards allowed per game.
Our running backs (who had a tough day v SHU, BTW) will have their hands full and this guy will be part of the challenge. (After googling him I learned we did offer him several years ago.)
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 29, 2021 16:06:22 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Nov 29, 2021 17:02:46 GMT -5
Ability to redshirt and #s of 5th year players -- likely the biggest advantage the CAA has over the Patriot League The Patriot League does this to themselves.
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Post by joe on Nov 29, 2021 17:05:03 GMT -5
Ability to redshirt and #s of 5th year players -- likely the biggest advantage the CAA has over the Patriot League The Patriot League does this to themselves. Bang for buck, PL would stand to gain so much by increasing schollie limit and allow redshirting. Downside is basically nothing.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 29, 2021 17:07:04 GMT -5
Downside? Possibly the cost to schools who do that (and, of course, to Georgetown's ability to compete with the scholarship teams.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 29, 2021 17:09:32 GMT -5
You'll be farther from the field behind their track, maybe a few degrees warmer but no sun. A December night game is nutty to me but I am sure both the HC and Nova students will have a blast. I wonder if the school will offer student busses that return to Worcester in the wee hours after the game?
The SHU turnout should provide motivation for HC to get their fans to the game. I hope they have a reception or something for the fans that do make it to the game. If they sell HC apparel at the reception that would probably pay for it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2021 17:20:26 GMT -5
You'll be farther from the field behind their track, maybe a few degrees warmer but no sun. A December night game is nutty to me but I am sure both the HC and Nova students will have a blast. I wonder if the school will offer student busses that return to Worcester in the wee hours after the game? The SHU turnout should provide motivation for HC to get their fans to the game. I hope they have a reception or something for the fans that do make it to the game. If they sell HC apparel at the reception that would probably pay for it. AFAIK, they have only run student buses to a Harvard game at night, and I believe BC.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 29, 2021 17:28:48 GMT -5
And we hope they realize the are in the year 2021- they certainly sign up for all of the modern non-athletic trends
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Post by HC92 on Nov 29, 2021 17:55:41 GMT -5
Pro tip: If you have 8 people in your group, buy 20 tickets and find some more people to go with you for free.
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Post by cmo on Nov 29, 2021 18:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Nov 29, 2021 19:54:04 GMT -5
Downside? Possibly the cost to schools who do that (and, of course, to Georgetown's ability to compete with the scholarship teams. Just because you allow for a fifth year you don't increase scholarships....the limit is the limit. Increased cost is a moot argument. Who cares about Georgetown. They choose to be where they are. No one is making them.
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 29, 2021 19:57:02 GMT -5
That leaves one other possible scenario: Crusaders vs Jackrabbits, the Sequel. SDSU would seem to have the intangibles (everything except dollar amount of bid) in their favor, but hope HC would make their best offer to the NCAA. Cart before the horse, I know. HC Athletics is saving the AD salary for now. Maybe that helped them them outbid SHU for home field. SHU might be wondering if they could have won the game at home, especially given the support they brought to Worcester. Hopefully HC brings the entire team to Villanova, even if it means they have to spend some of their own money to do so which is separate and apart from the FCS per diems they receive. Leaving 15-20 players behind who have given their all for the team since the summer, after securing the first FCS playoff win in school history, is a bad look in my opinion. Hearing that HC is NOT planning on bringing all of the players to Villanova. Sends a message to the team that their are two classes of players. Apparently the excuse was that HC doesn’t have the “budget” to cover the additional cost. Yeah, right…
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Post by efg72 on Nov 29, 2021 20:10:38 GMT -5
Hopefully HC brings the entire team to Villanova, even if it means they have to spend some of their own money to do so which is separate and apart from the FCS per diems they receive. Leaving 15-20 players behind who have given their all for the team since the summer, after securing the first FCS playoff win in school history, is a bad look in my opinion. Hearing that HC is NOT planning on bringing all of the players to Villanova. Sends a message to the team that their are two classes of players. Apparently the excuse was that HC doesn’t have the “budget” to cover the additional cost. Yeah, right… We ought to demand the use savings from the AD salary to pay the bill Crusader Fund pay for it take the money from another budget have the Athletic office give a number and take donations
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Post by hchoops on Nov 29, 2021 20:21:09 GMT -5
Hopefully HC brings the entire team to Villanova, even if it means they have to spend some of their own money to do so which is separate and apart from the FCS per diems they receive. Leaving 15-20 players behind who have given their all for the team since the summer, after securing the first FCS playoff win in school history, is a bad look in my opinion. Hearing that HC is NOT planning on bringing all of the players to Villanova. Sends a message to the team that their are two classes of players. Apparently the excuse was that HC doesn’t have the “budget” to cover the additional cost. Yeah, right… How Reliable a source ?
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 29, 2021 20:28:27 GMT -5
Very reliable.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 29, 2021 20:31:38 GMT -5
That alone is a reason for a coach and/or players to leave
If true, Someone needs to be put on notice that this is unacceptable for any college or university, and especially Holy Cross
it should be elevated to the President and if needed the BOT
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2021 20:33:51 GMT -5
As I understand it, the NCAA pays the travel costs for the team. There have been different posts on how many players the NCAA allows to dress (participate) in a FCS playoff game. That said, the actual costs to HC for bringing 15-20 more players who will not dress are relatively minimal.
The AD budget should have a small reserve for contingencies.
Chesney could also call generous supporters of the football program to ask for them to fund the additional cost; it can't be more than $5,000, and probably closer to $2-3,000. They will probably take three buses, regardless.
Now, the host school is responsible for reserving hotel rooms for the visiting team. It may be that Villanova only reserved enough rooms for the number of players allowed to participate, and there are no additional accommodations available at the motel/hotel. That's an altogether different kettle of fish.
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 29, 2021 20:40:17 GMT -5
According to the NCAA manual for the FCS Championship (which can be accessed with a simple Google search), participating schools are reimbursed a per diem of $220/travel party participant for travel and lodging costs for non-air travel that is within 400 driving miles from campus, plus an allowance for bus transportation to and from the destination. With those reimbursements, any added costs for travel and lodging for the entire team are well within the reach of HC and it’s endowment.
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 29, 2021 20:43:59 GMT -5
As I understand it, the NCAA pays the travel costs for the team. There have been different posts on how many players the NCAA allows to dress (participate) in a FCS playoff game. That said, the actual costs to HC for bringing 15-20 more players who will not dress are relatively minimal. The AD budget should have a small reserve for contingencies. Chesney could also call generous supporters of the football program to ask for them to fund the additional cost; it can't be more than $5,000, and probably closer to $2-3,000. They will probably take three buses, regardless. Now, the host school is responsible for reserving hotel rooms for the visiting team. It may be that Villanova only reserved enough rooms for the number of players allowed to participate, and there are no additional accommodations available at the motel/hotel. That's an altogether different kettle of fish. According to the FCS Championship manual, the host school is required to secure a minimum of 60 double bed hotel rooms. Thus, with players doubling up in a single room, there should be sufficient rooms to bring the entire team. I also heard that HC has actually put 3 players in a single room on occasion, with the low man on the proverbial totem pole sleeping on a roll away.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 29, 2021 20:45:35 GMT -5
Brian Kelly to LSU
Notre Dame job is open.
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