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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2021 17:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 17:58:22 GMT -5
So do you pay him his market value and renegotiate the contract or do you give him a decent raise for his contributions and use the rest to upgrade the pay of the staff and coaches for other sports?
This is not being negative, but instead trying to be practical and look out for the interests of the school, much as players and coaches seem to do today.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2021 18:05:33 GMT -5
The Telegram also confirms what dharry suggested in another thread:
Chesney said 13 seniors – offensive lineman Nick Olsofka, wide receiver Spencer Gilliam, running back Peter Oliver, offensive lineman Grady Smith, cornerback John Smith, defensive lineman Jake Reichwein, linebacker Liam Doran, defensive back Walter Reynolds, defensive back Terrell Prince, defensive lineman Dan Kuznetsov, linebacker Liam Anderson, offensive lineman Jack McCauley and defensive back Cristos Argys – are coming back in 2022 for a fifth season, which bodes brilliantly for HC’s immediate future. Olsofka, Oliver, John Smith, Kuznetsov, Anderson, and Prince were first-team All-Patriot League selections this fall.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 19:23:22 GMT -5
Looks like plenty of upper class depth which bodes well for next fall. The only risk is it possibly creates a rush to the portal by some of the talented players behind them
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 6, 2021 19:31:30 GMT -5
I have no idea what BC is thinking but I don't know why you'd say he's "eyeballing an exit". To me the phrase "right now" is simply a reflection that he has a contract for another year and he's not making any assumptions about getting an extension/new contract.
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Post by spenser on Dec 6, 2021 19:46:46 GMT -5
I have no idea what BC is thinking but I don't know why you'd say he's "eyeballing an exit". To me the phrase "right now" is simply a reflection that he has a contract for another year and he's not making any assumptions about getting an extension/new contract. And built and loved clearly refers to right now. Today. This year. Let’s enjoy this while it’s going on. We’ve been waiting for this revival for a very long time.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2021 19:50:32 GMT -5
I have no idea what BC is thinking but I don't know why you'd say he's "eyeballing an exit". To me the phrase "right now" is simply a reflection that he has a contract for another year and he's not making any assumptions about getting an extension/new contract. Well, one answer he could have given to the question about whether he'd be back as HC's coach next season is "Yes.".
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Post by hchoops on Dec 6, 2021 19:59:39 GMT -5
“Of course” seems as positive as “yes”
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2021 20:00:55 GMT -5
“Of course” seems as positive as “yes” Keep reading. When asked Monday if he would be back as HC’s coach next season, Chesney said, “Of course. You never know how that all plays out, obviously, but I think at the same time, right now, this is where I’m at and I love being with these guys and I think we built something very special and I’ve loved every minute of it.”
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Post by spenser on Dec 6, 2021 20:02:14 GMT -5
“Of course” seems as positive as “yes” Perhaps more so. “Of course” implies that there’s no doubt. And no, I’m not an English teacher.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 6, 2021 20:16:09 GMT -5
Wow-- a lot of this depends on the punctuation--assuming Coach Chesney spoke these words and it was up to the T & G writer to transcribe them.
When asked Monday if he would be back as HC’s coach next season, Chesney said,
(1) The article as written: “Of course. You never know how that all plays out, obviously, but I think at the same time, right now, this is where I’m at and I love being with these guys and I think we built something very special and I’ve loved every minute of it.”
(2) Worrisome alternative: “Of course you never know how that all plays out, obviously. But I think at the same time, right now, this is where I’m at and I love being with these guys and I think we built something very special and I’ve loved every minute of it.”
In (1) "Of course" looks like it means "I'll certainly be back". In (2) "Of course" modifies "you never know how that all plays out" and means "one cannot tell what is going to happen"
I wish he had just said, MacArthur-like, "I shall return"
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 6, 2021 20:44:44 GMT -5
I really don't see any ambiguity in his words. My interpretation is that he's here - now. If he stays, he's OK with that. But, a big but, he leaves the door open if another opportunity comes up. You can't look at this statement without looking at what he said previously in an earlier interview which I don't have available right now but as I recall it was the Kelly ND to LSU coach move in which he said to the effect, "if someone's going to give you that much money for that opportunity, you take it for your family." To me that meant, if he gets the right opportunity for more money, as much as he loves Holy Cross, the players and Worcester, he's gone.
But, for now, he's here. I think he's being both honest but leaving himself wiggle room that if he leaves, he never promised that he's here for the duration.
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Post by matunuck on Dec 6, 2021 22:02:01 GMT -5
If he is offered something he can’t refuse, he’ll take it; if not, he’s back.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 22:10:01 GMT -5
From the UD board it seems like the salary offered Carty was $300k?? And his hiring is not a done deal BlueHenBobby Posts: 809 Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:43 pm UD Class: 1975 Location: Birdsboro, Pa. Re: Carty Quote Post by BlueHenBobby » Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:53 pm At this point all I want to see is UD do a real search and interview multiple candidates. Choose the best. Don't chose the cheapest because he's cheap. Likewise don't assume a big price tag is the best. Take some time. We don't need another five years (actually ten years) like the last decade. Pick your right candidate after interviewing multiple good candidates. 5:37 pm Baltimore Hen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 pm CAA Lurker wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:20 pm Very reliable source says that Chesney is interviewing here this week and that Carthy was offered but asked for 30% more than CR offered. Well he is an OC so to expect experienced HC money is kind of a joke if that is the case. He should be grateful for the opportunity to be a HC.... The problem with that is. If he stays at Sam Houston, Don’t you think they’re going to get a raise once they move to FBS. So maybe he was looking to be comparable with extra for the responsibility of the head coach. Maybe they are looking to reduce the salary they were paying Rocco too to save some $$$ so maybe he was not offered anywhere near what Rocco was paid and knows it. I just want the best person for the job that wants it…sucks to have to settle over money. Jeezzzz always something. Not saying that the gentleman interviewing isn’t a good choice…but if we are settling 😑 Re: Chesney Quote Post by BlueHenBill » Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:47 pm Concerns about Chesney are that he has been the HC at 3 private Catholic small colleges in New England. Unknown how that transfers to a much larger state U in the mid-Atlantic. Catholic colleges have an edge in recruiting catholic athletes. Private colleges also have an advantage in perceived value (any scholly help worth more in dollars at higher cost private colleges), perceived quality of education, and general 'snootiness" attitude. Private colleges also tend to recruit athletes and students generally from a larger geographic area. According to the bio at the Holy Cross Football website ( goholycross.com/sports/football ... esney/1112 ), Chesney is a PA native (coal country) who played at Dickinson College and his coaching experience included stints at a Norwich U. (small private military college in VT), 2 PA small private colleges (Kings College (Catholic) & Del Valley) and then at John Hopkins (also small & private). So Chesney does have some college coaching experience in the Mid-Atlantic region, but all 12 seasons as a HC were in New England. I am concerned about his potential lack of recruiting contacts in UD's prime recruiting area. I am further concerned that all of Chesney's collegiate playing and coaching experience has been at small private colleges with 4 of the 7 Catholic (including all 3 of his HC jobs to date). Re: Chesney Quote Post by the_lurker » Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:57 pm Other thing is it seems he's a program builder. I don't think it's on accident that he has built multiple programs. My concern with Carty is never being a HC. Especially with where we are at as a program. Interesting look at the landscape of FCS salaries 5 years ago... undfootball360.com/the-fcs-coac ... ry-market/ Richmond’s Danny Rocco received a total package worth $437,672. Northern Iowa’s Mark Farley had a base salary of $350,000. Villanova’s Andy Talley received a base salary of $304,642 with a total package of $341,096. James Madison’s Mike Houston had a starting salary of $300,000 in his first year this season. Illinois State’s Brock Spack had a base salary of $300,000. North Carolina A&T’s Rod Broadway had a base salary of $285,000. In Samford’s Pat Sullivan’s final season before Chris Hatcher took over, he had a base salary of $274,665 and a total package worth $438,196. North Dakota State’s Chris Klieman had a base salary of $261,177 with a total package worth 300,000. Sam Houston State’s KC Keeler had a base salary of $250,000. Youngstown State’s Bo Pelini had a base salary of 213,894 in his first year this season. Cal Poly’s Tim Walsh had a base salary of $205,200. New Hampshire’s Sean McDonnell had a base salary of $200,000. Grambling State’s Broderick Fobbs had a base salary of $195,000. South Dakota State’s John Stiegelmeier had a base salary of $190,000. Jacksonville State’s John Grass received a base salary of $181,000 with a total package of $251,000. Eastern Washington’s Beau Baldwin received a package worth $212,717. Central Arkansas’ Steve Campbell had a base salary of $185,000. Coastal Carolina’s Joe Moglia had a base salary of $175,000. Montana’s Bob Stitt had a base salary of $175,000 in 2015. The Citadel’s Brent Thompson received a base salary of $175,000 in 2016. Samford’s Chris Hatcher had a base salary of $152,650 in his final season at Murray State in 2014. Chattanooga’s Russ Huesman had a base salary of $150,000. North Dakota’s Kyle Schweigert had a base salary of $150,000. Charleston Southern’s Jamey Chadwell received a base salary of $120,542 and total package worth $139,6
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 6, 2021 22:53:20 GMT -5
I'd love to meet bluehenbill-his overthinking and creative cluelessness are most entertaining
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2021 23:02:38 GMT -5
I'd love to meet bluehenbill-his overthinking and creative cluelessness are most entertaining The board truly is entertaining but if they are even 50% right about the state of play, the AD decision on salary might cost her and the hens a coach, but still keep Chesney in the mix no reason to speculate anymore as it will resolve itself in the days ahead
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 6, 2021 23:20:43 GMT -5
And for those that don’t think underpaid coaches make “lateral” moves for $$ and quality of life, Nevada coach Jay Norvell just signed with fellow MWC foe Colorado State. Nevada was one of the lowest Comped HC jobs in the conference and CSU one of the highest. Also, Fort Collins much better place to live vs Reno IMO.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2021 1:11:38 GMT -5
And for those that don’t think underpaid coaches make “lateral” moves for $$ and quality of life, Nevada coach Jay Norvell just signed with fellow MWC foe Colorado State. Nevada was one of the lowest Comped HC jobs in the conference and CSU one of the highest. Also, Fort Collins much better place to live vs Reno IMO. Fredo also didn't enjoy Reno/Lake Tahoe.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2021 1:24:38 GMT -5
And for those that don’t think underpaid coaches make “lateral” moves for $$ and quality of life, Nevada coach Jay Norvell just signed with fellow MWC foe Colorado State. Nevada was one of the lowest Comped HC jobs in the conference and CSU one of the highest. Also, Fort Collins much better place to live vs Reno IMO. Fredo also didn't enjoy Reno/Lake Tahoe. "I'm smaht"
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Post by hcpride on Dec 7, 2021 6:20:55 GMT -5
If he is offered something he can’t refuse, he’ll take it; if not, he’s back. Agreed. Reading between the lines, he’s certainly looking and willing to interview (if he hasn’t already) at other schools. And if he can negotiate a good contract, he’s gone. Not a surprise - these coaches looking to move up know the deal.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 7, 2021 6:29:21 GMT -5
That's life. You just hope there's a better succession plan in place than the one that existed in the basketball program in June of 2009.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2021 9:09:42 GMT -5
That's life. You just hope there's a better succession plan in place than the one that existed in the basketball program in June of 2009. Commenting about a coaching change in FB makes me nervous, but if the unfortunate event happens, is this the time to not repeat the mistake of letting Andy Sachs get away in 2009 and promote from within our one winning program. Basically let Coach Chesney say who is most ready to succeed him and not overthink it?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 7, 2021 9:14:25 GMT -5
That's life. You just hope there's a better succession plan in place than the one that existed in the basketball program in June of 2009. Commenting about a coaching change in FB makes me nervous, but if the unfortunate event happens, is this the time to not repeat the mistake of letting Andy Sachs get away in 2009 and promote from within our one winning program. Basically let Coach Chesney say who is most ready to succeed him and not overthink it? Maybe. I think Scott James would be a great guy for the job. A new AD want to bring in "his guy" and put his own stamp on the program, rather than what may be construed as taking the easy road and promoting the DC.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 7, 2021 9:26:23 GMT -5
/\ There is always the complication of who a coach takes with him (or wants to take with him) when he departs.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2021 9:35:04 GMT -5
Commenting about a coaching change in FB makes me nervous, but if the unfortunate event happens, is this the time to not repeat the mistake of letting Andy Sachs get away in 2009 and promote from within our one winning program. Basically let Coach Chesney say who is most ready to succeed him and not overthink it? Maybe. I think Scott James would be a great guy for the job. A new AD want to bring in "his guy" and put his own stamp on the program, rather than what may be construed as taking the easy road and promoting the DC. OK, hire somebody else's DC or OC, the applicant who interviews best with Parker Executive Search Co. What could go wrong?
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