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Post by rickii on Dec 8, 2021 10:38:15 GMT -5
No need for lunch. Guys who take over a train wreck of a program and win three league titles in a row and go toe-to-toe with #5 in the country tend to get better job offers. That’s especially so when they’ve done similar jobs at 3 other schools. Assuming we perform similarly or better next year with a healthy Dobbs and all of our 5th year seniors, Chesney will get some good offers. That assumes we survive the Delaware thing this year. At some point, one of these offers will be good enough to entice him to leave. My point is that we should pay him enough that we make sure it’s something really good that makes him leave. Not Delaware for $400K. Will HC step up and do everything it can to keep the one extremely successful coach we’ve had since RW? We shall see. So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez?
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Post by mm67 on Dec 8, 2021 10:44:40 GMT -5
"Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."(Abba Eban)
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 8, 2021 10:47:48 GMT -5
No need for lunch. Guys who take over a train wreck of a program and win three league titles in a row and go toe-to-toe with #5 in the country tend to get better job offers. That’s especially so when they’ve done similar jobs at 3 other schools. Assuming we perform similarly or better next year with a healthy Dobbs and all of our 5th year seniors, Chesney will get some good offers. That assumes we survive the Delaware thing this year. At some point, one of these offers will be good enough to entice him to leave. My point is that we should pay him enough that we make sure it’s something really good that makes him leave. Not Delaware for $400K. Will HC step up and do everything it can to keep the one extremely successful coach we’ve had since RW? We shall see. So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez? All good questions. Why take 13 kids back next year to hurt existing players on roster and to forego any type of recruiting class this year only to load up for one more year? Why hurt future teams beyond just next year by not signing a class? Why not give alums insight into what the plan is along those lines? Also - all good questions.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2021 10:48:31 GMT -5
No need for lunch. Guys who take over a train wreck of a program and win three league titles in a row and go toe-to-toe with #5 in the country tend to get better job offers. That’s especially so when they’ve done similar jobs at 3 other schools. Assuming we perform similarly or better next year with a healthy Dobbs and all of our 5th year seniors, Chesney will get some good offers. That assumes we survive the Delaware thing this year. At some point, one of these offers will be good enough to entice him to leave. My point is that we should pay him enough that we make sure it’s something really good that makes him leave. Not Delaware for $400K. Will HC step up and do everything it can to keep the one extremely successful coach we’ve had since RW? We shall see. So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez? So, you have talked with President Rougeau and he told you that he has not worked on a new contract for Coach Chesney?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2021 10:49:51 GMT -5
No need for lunch. Guys who take over a train wreck of a program and win three league titles in a row and go toe-to-toe with #5 in the country tend to get better job offers. That’s especially so when they’ve done similar jobs at 3 other schools. Assuming we perform similarly or better next year with a healthy Dobbs and all of our 5th year seniors, Chesney will get some good offers. That assumes we survive the Delaware thing this year. At some point, one of these offers will be good enough to entice him to leave. My point is that we should pay him enough that we make sure it’s something really good that makes him leave. Not Delaware for $400K. Will HC step up and do everything it can to keep the one extremely successful coach we’ve had since RW? We shall see. So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez? I don’t think we know how much of a priority this is. Hoping there have been active discussions on a new contract with Chesney. I know it feels like a month ago, but it was only 5 days ago that our season ended. Hopefully there’s no disagreement among TPTB that he and his staff need to be compensated well based on their extreme success relative to any football staff since 1991.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2021 10:53:09 GMT -5
Also, for the first time since the Carmody blip of post-season success, random people have talked to me about HC based on the football success this year. I know it’s only FCS but high levels of success do get some attention.
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Post by rickii on Dec 8, 2021 11:05:33 GMT -5
So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez? So, you have talked with President Rougeau and he told you that he has not worked on a new contract for Coach Chesney? Huh? Again, as I stated, this all should have been finalized by last Sunday. It hasn’t and hence the questions.
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Post by football44 on Dec 8, 2021 11:20:22 GMT -5
Rickii relax things will get worked out.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 8, 2021 11:25:11 GMT -5
All good questions. Why take 13 kids back next year to hurt existing players on roster and to forego any type of recruiting class this year only to load up for one more year? Why hurt future teams beyond just next year by not signing a class? Why not give alums insight into what the plan is along those lines? Also - all good questions. I’m wondering how much is it the kid’s option to return v coach v admin. Some kids may have seen Foley’s experience and put the FBS dream away. Again, don’t know who makes the calls on the covid year utilization so I’m just spitballing. I do agree they’ll be an impact down the line with so many returning.
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 8, 2021 11:31:44 GMT -5
The coaches have to ask them back. The coaches are working against a roster of 90 and determining whether or not there is a younger player who they can fill that role better. There were players last year that might have liked to come back, but weren't asked back.
I fully understand taking kids back - because there is a need to win now. Just not 13 - maybe a better number was 8, thus creating room for a 15 person class in this upcoming class. Because you have to use scholarship money on those kids which takes from this current class. It also limits this class to 10 players.
Again - my point would be moot if HC was a school that could go into the portal and backfill this class with transfers. We all know they really haven't done that, honestly don't think it's easy at HC regarding admissions, and honestly they don't do it all that well quite frankly based on the 4 transfers I've seen.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2021 11:38:18 GMT -5
Hopefully we are a more attractive destination for transfers than we were a few years ago and that President Rougeau is smart enough to know that loosening the rules slightly to admit some of these kids would be beneficial to the brand he is charged with growing.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 8, 2021 11:59:35 GMT -5
The coaches have to ask them back. The coaches are working against a roster of 90 and determining whether or not there is a younger player who they can fill that role better. There were players last year that might have liked to come back, but weren't asked back. I fully understand taking kids back - because there is a need to win now. Just not 13 - maybe a better number was 8, thus creating room for a 15 person class in this upcoming class. Because you have to use scholarship money on those kids which takes from this current class. It also limits this class to 10 players. Again - my point would be moot if HC was a school that could go into the portal and backfill this class with transfers. We all know they really haven't done that, honestly don't think it's easy at HC regarding admissions, and honestly they don't do it all that well quite frankly based on the 4 transfers I've seen. 1) Do we know that the roster limits do in fact go back to 90 next season (we finished with 96 on the roster this year). Perhaps it's staying above 90 until the Covid year affected players roll off? 2) I agree with you on the 13 being too many to ask back in one class and 8-10 being a better number. While I am extremely excited about the 2022 and even 2023 teams, with the current Freshman class at only 18, this does create issues a few years out. Without naming names there are 3-4 of this spectacular senior class that I would have not asked back. I also fully acknowledge that Coach Ches and the staff know their personnel and needs better than I.
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 8, 2021 12:06:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure on #1. I'm going under the assumption that they are going back to 90. I base that assumption on the fact they have recruited very lightly this year - only 4 verbals thus far. If it was at 96 my thinking is they would have recruited more heavily.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 8, 2021 12:11:46 GMT -5
No need for lunch. Guys who take over a train wreck of a program and win three league titles in a row and go toe-to-toe with #5 in the country tend to get better job offers. That’s especially so when they’ve done similar jobs at 3 other schools. Assuming we perform similarly or better next year with a healthy Dobbs and all of our 5th year seniors, Chesney will get some good offers. That assumes we survive the Delaware thing this year. At some point, one of these offers will be good enough to entice him to leave. My point is that we should pay him enough that we make sure it’s something really good that makes him leave. Not Delaware for $400K. Will HC step up and do everything it can to keep the one extremely successful coach we’ve had since RW? We shall see. So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez? It took him 15 days after the end of the Assumption 2017 season to sign with HC as they were eliminated on December 2nd in the third round of the D-2 Tourney and was named the HC coach on December 17th.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 8, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -5
So this new AD won’t be official for 3 weeks, yes? In the meantime Chesney may be fielding inquiries from other schools who don’t want to wait 3 weeks to find their next coach. Chesney shouldn’t need to wait. A new enhanced contract should have been drawn up a month ago and presented to him last Sunday by our new Prez. Why has that not happened? Why no sense of urgency on this? Why has this not been a priority of our new Prez? It took him 15 days after the end of the Assumption 2017 season to sign with HC as they were eliminated on December 2nd in the third round of the D-2 Tourney and was named the HC coach on December 17th. Do you know what his contract situation was at Assumption when he left? I can't recall hearing anything about Assumption feeling like they got poached and in fact have understood the HC and AU football programs to be on good terms during the Chesney era at HC.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 8, 2021 12:30:02 GMT -5
We’re going to lose Chesney at some point in the next couple of years. I think his contract should be strong enough so that he does not leave us for a Delaware or anywhere else where he’s going to make in the range of $400K-$600K. If he gets an offer of $1M+, it is what it is and we’ll have to deal with it at that point. Where on earth is Chensey getting a $1M+ offer as his next job? Do you know how many 1-A schools hired their head coaches from 1-AA this year? Spoiler alert, the answer is zero. There have been zero 1-AA coaches hired to 1-A jobs over the past three hiring cycles. Four cycles ago, two 1-AA coaches got 1-A jobs: 1) Mike Houston (James Madison --> East Carolina) - Houston was 37-6 at JMU, won a National Championship, lost in a National Championship game, and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA's during his three years there. 2) Chris Kliemann (NDSU --> Kansas State) - Klieman was 69-6 at NDSU and won the National Championship in four of his five seasons there. I understand the excitement around Chesney at HC, but, boy, is there a lack of reality on this topic. Chesney is miles away from those guys at this point in his career, and there should be very few 1-AA jobs that are appealing to him (primarily just the top jobs in the CAA) if HC can make a serious commitment to football.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 8, 2021 12:46:53 GMT -5
We’re going to lose Chesney at some point in the next couple of years. I think his contract should be strong enough so that he does not leave us for a Delaware or anywhere else where he’s going to make in the range of $400K-$600K. If he gets an offer of $1M+, it is what it is and we’ll have to deal with it at that point. Where on earth is Chensey getting a $1M+ offer as his next job? Do you know how many 1-A schools hired their head coaches from 1-AA this year? Spoiler alert, the answer is zero. There have been zero 1-AA coaches hired to 1-A jobs over the past three hiring cycles. Four cycles ago, two 1-AA coaches got 1-A jobs: 1) Mike Houston (James Madison --> East Carolina) - Houston was 37-6 at JMU, won a National Championship, lost in a National Championship game, and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA's during his three years there. 2) Chris Kliemann (NDSU --> Kansas State) - Klieman was 69-6 at NDSU and won the National Championship in four of his five seasons there. I understand the excitement around Chesney at HC, but, boy, is there a lake of reality on this topic. Chesney is miles away from those guys at this point in his career, and there should be very few 1-AA jobs that are appealing to him (primarily just the top jobs in the CAA) if HC can make a serious commitment to football. You read my mind BBC and just beat me to it. Very few coaches jump from FCS to FBS as head coaches. Especially to a job paying over 1M a year (like those two.) Just thinking about this century, Dave Clawson went from Fordham to Richmond to Bowling Green to Wake Forest. Pete Lembo went from Lehigh to Elon to Ball State (now associate head coach at South Carolina) Chesney has many intangibles and while I wouldn't put it past him to get a jump from HC to a lower paying Group of 5 FBS school....upper tier CAA or another east coast top FCS program has been the route to FBS for most. With the obvious exception of Joe Moorhead who went the Big time Coordinator route....but Chesney is a HC, not an assistant. I think that's why your seeing the collective freak out about the Delaware job because it literally checks all the boxes on paper.
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Post by hc17 on Dec 8, 2021 12:53:04 GMT -5
First order of business for Mr. Hughes are new deals for Chesney, James, Canan and the rest of the staff, but would prioritize in that order exactly. I can't imagine there would be much disagreement here. After seeing the direction that UConn, UMass, Maine, UNH and others this offseason, I feel confident that we can retain Chesney as the head coach of the program. With that said, HC needs to make a commitment to this program and it's leaders. There haven't been too many positive stories over the past 10-15 years within HC athletics and this sustained success should be a central component to the College's strategic vision (I love that Pres. Rougeau has been present at recent games). I think the only chance Chesney jumps to a P5 program is as a SPT Coordinator where he can continue to grow his reputation as a great recruiter and culture-builder. While I have no doubts he'll succeed at the next level, I think the proof is in the pudding here and we can see with the Mora/Brown hires at UConn/UMass what even the worst of the FBS is attracting.
Additionally, if they are causes for concern, I don't see many of these jobs turning over in the next 3 years. I understand the concerns around the Delaware gig, but believe a financial commitment to Chesney & Co will quell any danger there.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 8, 2021 12:54:48 GMT -5
We’re going to lose Chesney at some point in the next couple of years. I think his contract should be strong enough so that he does not leave us for a Delaware or anywhere else where he’s going to make in the range of $400K-$600K. If he gets an offer of $1M+, it is what it is and we’ll have to deal with it at that point. Where on earth is Chensey getting a $1M+ offer as his next job? Do you know how many 1-A schools hired their head coaches from 1-AA this year? Spoiler alert, the answer is zero. There have been zero 1-AA coaches hired to 1-A jobs over the past three hiring cycles. Four cycles ago, two 1-AA coaches got 1-A jobs: 1) Mike Houston (James Madison --> East Carolina) - Houston was 37-6 at JMU, won a National Championship, lost in a National Championship game, and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA's during his three years there. 2) Chris Kliemann (NDSU --> Kansas State) - Klieman was 69-6 at NDSU and won the National Championship in four of his five seasons there. I understand the excitement around Chesney at HC, but, boy, is there a lake of reality on this topic. Chesney is miles away from those guys at this point in his career, and there should be very few 1-AA jobs that are appealing to him (primarily just the top jobs in the CAA) if HC can make a serious commitment to football. LSU just hired McNeese State head coach as their Associate Head Coach. lsusports.net/news/2021/12/07/kelly-names-frank-wilson-associate-head-coach/
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 8, 2021 13:04:31 GMT -5
Where on earth is Chensey getting a $1M+ offer as his next job? Do you know how many 1-A schools hired their head coaches from 1-AA this year? Spoiler alert, the answer is zero. There have been zero 1-AA coaches hired to 1-A jobs over the past three hiring cycles. Four cycles ago, two 1-AA coaches got 1-A jobs: 1) Mike Houston (James Madison --> East Carolina) - Houston was 37-6 at JMU, won a National Championship, lost in a National Championship game, and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA's during his three years there. 2) Chris Kliemann (NDSU --> Kansas State) - Klieman was 69-6 at NDSU and won the National Championship in four of his five seasons there. I understand the excitement around Chesney at HC, but, boy, is there a lake of reality on this topic. Chesney is miles away from those guys at this point in his career, and there should be very few 1-AA jobs that are appealing to him (primarily just the top jobs in the CAA) if HC can make a serious commitment to football. LSU just hired McNeese State head coach as their Associate Head Coach. lsusports.net/news/2021/12/07/kelly-names-frank-wilson-associate-head-coach/Yes I should have specified that Chesney isn't going the Joe Moorhead route of being an OC or DC at a Power 5 school. If Brian Kelly had called and said "Bobby, I want you to be my SPT Coordinator and Associate Head Coach here at LSU for 1.2M a year"...I'm guessing he would have returned that call. Should be noted that Wilson had FBS head coaching experience and contacts at UT-San Antonio before McNeese. So he's not really comparable to coaches working their way up from smaller divisons.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 8, 2021 13:09:12 GMT -5
Yes I should have specified that Chesney isn't going the Joe Moorhead route of being an OC or DC at a Power 5 school. If Brian Kelly had called and said "Bobby, I want you to be my SPT Coordinator and Associate Head Coach here at LSU for 1.2M a year"...I'm guessing he would have returned that call. Should be noted that Wilson had FBS head coaching experience and contacts at UT-San Antonio before McNeese. So he's not really comparable to coaches working their way up from smaller divisons. He's also considered to be the best recruiter of the state of Louisiana, something that is critical for Kelly to figure out at LSU. If Chesney was a fit to potentially slide back into a Special Team/Assistant Head Coach role at 1-A school, I could see it for a guy without previous head coaching experience, like Lembo with Shane Beamer at South Carolina.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 8, 2021 13:38:55 GMT -5
I hope the new AD doesn't come in and think he is driving the bus on the decision whether to extend Chesney right away with a preemptive contract that will take other FCS options off the table. I hope this institutional decision has already been made.
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 8, 2021 15:09:24 GMT -5
First order of business for Mr. Hughes are new deals for Chesney, James, Canan and the rest of the staff, but would prioritize in that order exactly. I can't imagine there would be much disagreement here. After seeing the direction that UConn, UMass, Maine, UNH and others this offseason, I feel confident that we can retain Chesney as the head coach of the program. With that said, HC needs to make a commitment to this program and it's leaders. There haven't been too many positive stories over the past 10-15 years within HC athletics and this sustained success should be a central component to the College's strategic vision (I love that Pres. Rougeau has been present at recent games). I think the only chance Chesney jumps to a P5 program is as a SPT Coordinator where he can continue to grow his reputation as a great recruiter and culture-builder. While I have no doubts he'll succeed at the next level, I think the proof is in the pudding here and we can see with the Mora/Brown hires at UConn/UMass what even the worst of the FBS is attracting. Additionally, if they are causes for concern, I don't see many of these jobs turning over in the next 3 years. I understand the concerns around the Delaware gig, but believe a financial commitment to Chesney & Co will quell any danger there. Canan as a top priority? Interesting… I don’t view a special teams/tight end coach as all that irreplaceable, but what do I know.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 8, 2021 15:15:13 GMT -5
Yes I should have specified that Chesney isn't going the Joe Moorhead route of being an OC or DC at a Power 5 school. If Brian Kelly had called and said "Bobby, I want you to be my SPT Coordinator and Associate Head Coach here at LSU for 1.2M a year"...I'm guessing he would have returned that call. Should be noted that Wilson had FBS head coaching experience and contacts at UT-San Antonio before McNeese. So he's not really comparable to coaches working their way up from smaller divisons. He's also considered to be the best recruiter of the state of Louisiana, something that is critical for Kelly to figure out at LSU. If Chesney was a fit to potentially slide back into a Special Team/Assistant Head Coach role at 1-A school, I could see it for a guy without previous head coaching experience, like Lembo with Shane Beamer at South Carolina. Rumor Mill has Texas run game coordinator/RB coach Stan Drayton has a finalist for the Duke Job. That's a guy I could see bringing in an established Head Coach as an Ass. Head Coach. And just for fun, he's got PA football roots. Played at Allegheny in the early 90's and his first two coaching stints were at UPenn and Villanova. No, I'm not implying anything. Just interesting.
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 8, 2021 15:19:59 GMT -5
Highest of priorities beyond Chesney and James in my eyes are Canan, Vaganek, DeAndrade and Smith. Because they recruit. I know I harp on recruiting all the time, but it's the lifeblood to this business. Good players make good coaches look great. Look at the national rankings in recruiting and HC is in the top 25 over the last 3 seasons (I'm embellishing on last year because of COVID, but that class would have been top 25). It's a significant reason why they won the league 3 years in a row. The talent they've accumulated versus the rest of the league is a massive gap.
Holy Cross' RBs coach, WRs coach, DL coach all might be good guys - they don't sign anyone. Jury still out on Roper and Toerper regarding recruiting. Position coaches should give you an ROI through not just coaching the position, but in a big way through identifying talent, getting the kid to campus and ultimately having him commit.
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