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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2021 15:54:10 GMT -5
The offensive rebounding totals for both teams are bizarre The film of this game won't be enshrined in Springfield....very poorly played in general by both teams.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2021 15:58:18 GMT -5
Luc oblivious to time and score at 1:25, just dribbles up the floor and drives into congestion for a well defended two point attempt. The other four players not involved in the possession.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 19, 2021 16:02:33 GMT -5
Haven't played well today, but they have played hard....Lots of things to work on, as individuals and as a team...and with the break coming up, hopefully they will improve those areas that need work, plus gain some confidence in their individual abilities...
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 19, 2021 16:03:19 GMT -5
HC won the rebound. battle 42-41. HC had 3 blocks and 8 steals. The stats show some better things than we have been seeing, but just not enough
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 19, 2021 16:04:32 GMT -5
Luc oblivious to time and score at 1:25, just dribbles up the floor and drives into congestion for a well defended two point attempt. The other four players not involved in the possession. You are correct. However, the coach does nothing to change his approach.
Is it possible that Nelson is so clueless that he doesn't see that?
Of course we know the answer to that.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2021 16:05:29 GMT -5
Rough combination of an inexperienced head coach and mostly very inexperienced players....they are going to have to learn and take their lumps together this season. Hopefully they can grow together in the process.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 19, 2021 16:08:54 GMT -5
Kenney with 10p,11r - Louth 7p, 10r.
Backcourt was horrible. Luc, Bo, and Bubba a combined 10-35, 9 TO, 1A
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 19, 2021 16:13:16 GMT -5
One of the things I have heard many smart basketball minds say over the years is that you can often get a quick assessment of a coach's acumen by examining 2 things:
1) how a team executes its offense to start a half and coming out of a time out, and 2) what kind of looks/scores a team gets from out of bounds plays from under its own basket
From what I have seen Nelson fails both of these tests miserably.
In fact I think we had at least 2 turnovers on OOB plays today.
There just doesn't seem to be a plan out there offensively.
Very discouraging to watch.
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Post by trimster on Dec 19, 2021 16:40:52 GMT -5
One of the things I have heard many smart basketball minds say over the years is that you can often get a quick assessment of a coach's acumen by examining 2 things: 1) how a team executes its offense to start a half and coming out of a time out, and 2) what kind of looks/scores a team gets from out of bounds plays from under its own basket From what I have seen Nelson fails both of these tests miserably. In fact I think we had at least 2 turnovers on OOB plays today. There just doesn't seem to be a plan out there offensively. Very discouraging to watch. Our offense is one on one basketball and not much fun to watch. I get the feeling HC is headed for another historically bad basketball season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 19, 2021 16:42:04 GMT -5
Rough combination of an inexperienced head coach and mostly very inexperienced players....they are going to have to learn and take their lumps together this season. Hopefully they can grow together in the process. I wouldn't consider someone that is in his 15th season (and two more years working in basketball operations) as a coach being inexperienced.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 19, 2021 16:42:56 GMT -5
Only watched the 2nd half which was a sleep-fest - Harvard went through the motions and played uninspired ball - just waiting for the agony to end - our only chance is with RJ coming back for the league season and players get in more comfortable roles - What’s the prognosis with his injury ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2021 16:46:42 GMT -5
Rough combination of an inexperienced head coach and mostly very inexperienced players....they are going to have to learn and take their lumps together this season. Hopefully they can grow together in the process. More so just not a very good coach.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2021 16:51:16 GMT -5
Rough combination of an inexperienced head coach and mostly very inexperienced players....they are going to have to learn and take their lumps together this season. Hopefully they can grow together in the process. More so just not a very good coach. Point being, he's nevah been a head coach before....big difference between being an assistant and head coach.
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Post by trimster on Dec 19, 2021 16:51:53 GMT -5
Only watched the 2nd half which was a sleep-fest - Harvard went through the motions and played uninspired ball - just waiting for the agony to end - our only chance is with RJ coming back for the league season and players get in more comfortable roles - What’s the prognosis with his injury ? RJ clearly didn’t look like last year’s version when he came back and if I had to guess I’d say he has been idled for a lot of the off season due to the two surgeries. It is also obvious he is the only true point guard we have. Perhaps I should amend that statement to say something about Dorsey but he has been unavailable so much we really don’t know if he is a 1, a 2 or a combo guard.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2021 17:05:49 GMT -5
The kids played hard, but looked like they were waiting for instruction from the bench- no help and no answers. Most of our players end up trying to do more than they are capable of delivering.
Over the years there have been numerous poorly coached teams, and a handful you would say weren’t being coached. This is one of the later.
BTW
On a team that shoots so poorly why isn’t Lewis on the floor.
Now that exams are finished I am wondering how many players will look at other portal options, at any level and depart over Christmas?
Unless the players love the Coach, the President and our new AD should be talking now about the timing of ending the misery.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2021 17:10:43 GMT -5
The kids played hard, but looked like they were waiting for instruction from the bench- no help and no answers. Most of our players end up trying to do more than they are capable of delivering. Over the years there have been numerous poorly coached teams, and a handful you would say weren’t being coached. This is one of the later. BTW On a team that shoots so poorly why isn’t Lewis on the floor. Now that exams are finished I am wondering how many players will look at other portal options, at any level and depart over Christmas? Unless the players love the Coach, the President and our new AD should be talking now about the timing of ending the misery. Isn't it difficult to leave at Christmas and receive a full scholarship somewhere? Unless other schools have players who leave, I suppose.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2021 17:23:31 GMT -5
Yes Not saying it is wise or a great option, But I think it lets the world know what the current players are thinking
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 19, 2021 18:04:13 GMT -5
...and you claim to speak for the current players? On the basis of what? Also, if you want to know what players may use the transfer portal, why not simply ask them? Did you post here about the portal hoping that HC will lose players to it? Clearly, you do not believe the coach has any talent in his position. However, he is our current head coach. If he is not coaching, what do you think he speaks to his players about at every time out or when they come out of the game?
PS: At this point, no players have entered the portal. They follow the coaches' instructions and play hard to the end. Does that tell you what they are thinking?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 19, 2021 18:11:48 GMT -5
How many games must these guys play together to count as experienced? (Not being sarcastic, just want to know.) Rob, I saw this while at the game, and while I know you didn't direct it at me, I'll provide feedback since I've been one of the few to not refer to this as an excuse.
First (and not directing this at you either, Rob, just a general comment), I feel there are several problems going on right now. Why does it have to be one (meaning the coaching)?
This is one area where I don't feel uncomfortable opening my pie hole, as the only basketball I watch (well, 99%) is low D-1 ball. Couldn't even name one player on the vast majority of NBA or High Major teams. And one thing I've found is the most successful teams typically have at least 5-6 upperclassmen (jrs/srs) in their top 8. Trying to come up with examples of teams that buck this trend, but failing. I think of schools like Belmont and UC Irvine, and locally, Colgate. Yes, they will have a different core each year, but it always seems to be rising juniors replacing graduated seniors, and juniors becoming seniors. Now, we can say this was the coach's doing, but that's a different topic.
Look at Harvard - you think Noah Kirkwood hasn't learned how to play his game to get the most out of his ability? Well, he's probably played in more D-1 games than any 3 HC kids combined. And even a former top rated recruit like Chris Ledlum was much more impactful today than he was during his freshman year. Both would be POY candidates in the PL imo.
Yes, there were some terrible turnovers today that you may not see in a high school game, but that's also a different topic. And yes, all of this means nada if the final verdict is CBN can't get it done here. I realize that. Doesn't mean inexperience is a not a factor. Again, I think back to Ralph Willard's thoughts on underclassmen.
I was at least encouraged by the efforts of Louth and CK; they really competed as physically as I have witnessed at any time so far. I'd love to see the staff get Louth into some kind of Pete Newell Big Man Camp, if such a camp still exists. Everything is slowly coming along, with the exception of his post offense.
Really sloppy elsewhere, as has already been noted. They just can't win that way, there's no margin for error.
Am curious (again) about the DNPs (in this case, Townsel and Rabs; especially Townsel). I thought MT may have helped some. Again, we'll never know why.
Screw Harvard and their $10 parking.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 19, 2021 18:17:39 GMT -5
Thanks for your comments, Dave. Clearly there are problems (plural, as you point out). I appreciate the input. And, yes, some of the turnovers we saw today would not have been acceptable even on a high school team.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 19, 2021 18:19:45 GMT -5
The kids played hard, but looked like they were waiting for instruction from the bench- no help and no answers. Most of our players end up trying to do more than they are capable of delivering. Over the years there have been numerous poorly coached teams, and a handful you would say weren’t being coached. This is one of the later. BTW On a team that shoots so poorly why isn’t Lewis on the floor. Now that exams are finished I am wondering how many players will look at other portal options, at any level and depart over Christmas? Unless the players love the Coach, the President and our new AD should be talking now about the timing of ending the misery. Isn't it difficult to leave at Christmas and receive a full scholarship somewhere? Unless other schools have players who leave, I suppose. It might be difficult to find a perfect fit - but many schools have less than 13 players on scholarship. The bigger issue, however, is why a player would leave. With NCAA regulations no longer requiring a sit-out year if you leave at the end of second semester, how much does a player gain by leaving now?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 19, 2021 18:26:31 GMT -5
HC is currently holding a schollie. I'd love to see a 6-8/6-9 big from a higher level come in after the semester......but it's a TOUGH sell right now.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 19, 2021 18:47:31 GMT -5
NAD Do you know why Gates played fewer minutes than usual, including none at the end ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 19, 2021 19:07:42 GMT -5
NAD Do you know why Gates played fewer minutes than usual, including none at the end ? Dont know if this was the reason, but at one point in the second half he apparently got hit on his left side while taking an inside shot that was altered and missed badly. During a time out he looked to be flexing his side while moving his arm. Thinking back, he may not have returned after that. Didn't appear thg to be serious , but who knows now.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2021 19:23:39 GMT -5
Isn't it difficult to leave at Christmas and receive a full scholarship somewhere? Unless other schools have players who leave, I suppose. It might be difficult to find a perfect fit - but many schools have less than 13 players on scholarship. The bigger issue, however, is why a player would leave. With NCAA regulations no longer requiring a sit-out year if you leave at the end of second semester, how much does a player gain by leaving now? Great questiom the answer might be there is little or nothing positive about the future, whether you are number 1 or 13 on the roster, and leaving before a mass exodus might make sense. ‘’as a fan this this is horrible, I can only imagine what it feels like as a player on this team honestly I believe all involved are giving their best, but all teams need a head coach that helps them win call Paulson
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