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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2021 19:39:48 GMT -5
Dave Paulsen already has his hands full consulting for Fordham.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 19, 2021 20:02:27 GMT -5
Didn’t have the inspiration to drive 2+ hours to the game, and watched it on E+. Had a bad 2 minutes at the end of the first half, other that, an even game. Not a W, but I was less discouraged after this game than others. Maybe the glass is half full. We’ll see.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2021 20:13:01 GMT -5
If you didn’t look at the score and just watched the game it was a 20 plus point loss type of game
I hate to sound or be so negative but it is hard to find any difference in play or improvement since Nelson started-this is actually worse than the first season
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 19, 2021 20:17:32 GMT -5
If you didn’t look at the score and just watched the game it was a 20 plus point loss type of gameI hate to sound or be so negative but it is hard to find any difference in play or improvement since Nelson started-this is actually worse than the first season Not at all...uness you believe HC does not have a coach (as you have said) before you saw anything of the game. I thought there were several people posting really negative things, but in looking back it appears it was mostly just you...over and over.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2021 20:35:11 GMT -5
If you didn’t look at the score and just watched the game it was a 20 plus point loss type of game I hate to sound or be so negative but it is hard to find any difference in play or improvement since Nelson started-this is actually worse than the first season If I thought the coaching staff was pulling any type of con, I would feel different, but I don't so I am pulling for them as long as they are here and I don't see any evidence the players aren't all trying hard right along side them. Combined the coaches have three or four decades of college coaching experience - they have to start drawing the best out of the players at some point. Another hopeful point is HC's players should have a faster rate of improvement during the PL season than teams laden with upperclassmen who are already close to their maximum potential. Maybe we'll be competitive as the PL season progresses.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2021 21:16:07 GMT -5
If you didn’t look at the score and just watched the game it was a 20 plus point loss type of gameI hate to sound or be so negative but it is hard to find any difference in play or improvement since Nelson started-this is actually worse than the first season Not at all...uness you believe HC does not have a coach (as you have said) before you saw anything of the game. I thought there were several people posting really negative things, but in looking back it appears it was mostly just you...over and over. You might be right, and if that is the case, and I offended you or the group, I apologize for expressing a different opinion. I wish you and everybody else a Merry Christmas and a much better 2022
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 19, 2021 21:35:47 GMT -5
I hate to sound or be so negative but it is hard to find any difference in play or improvement since Nelson started- this is actually worse than the first seasonBy the most significant statistical measures - shooting, offensive efficiency, turnover percentage, shooting defense, defensive efficiency, total rebounding percentage - this is true.
And I think most of our eyes tell us the same story.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 19, 2021 22:03:36 GMT -5
Went to the game. I though Kenney played well. How do you not play Louth against Siena and instead get killed down low by their big man.
Wish we could hear from Nelson about who he plays and why others never get in the game. No interviews from anybody to this coach.
The Siena coach answered some questions on their board. Now granted they were the most generic answers ever but at least people asked questions.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 19, 2021 22:04:18 GMT -5
Harvard absolutely carved up that zone....they are basically just toying with us, missing 3 starters and still clowning us i.e. missed dunks etc After the Harvard kid tried and missed the showboat over the head one, the two points he got on the put back should have come only from the foul line. Should have been fouled and fouled hard. Never seen a game where a team missed 4 dunks.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 19, 2021 22:09:21 GMT -5
Kenney with 10p,11r - Louth 7p, 10r. Backcourt was horrible. Luc, Bo, and Bubba a combined 10-35, 9 TO, 1A Don't leave Martindale out of the conversation. You can't have your best three point shooter not attempt one.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 19, 2021 22:14:05 GMT -5
So, did I see Rabs in street clothes too? Seems to be injured every couple of games. Not impressed by that kind of durability if my memory is accurate (apologies if it is not).
What's the story w/Townsel? You can't tell me that sooner or later, you'll run out of gas playing 7 guys.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2021 22:16:18 GMT -5
Harvard absolutely carved up that zone....they are basically just toying with us, missing 3 starters and still clowning us i.e. missed dunks etc After the Harvard kid tried and missed the showboat over the head one, the two points he got on the put back should have come only from the foul line. Should have been fouled and fouled hard. Never seen a game where a team missed 4 dunks. Harvard essentially treated today's game with us as a glorified scrimmage....try different rotations, looks etc....do enough to win and move on. If we had an even halfway decent team this year, the Johnnies were ripe for the taking today....they were banged-up, rusty, uninspired etc and still basically won in a walk in the park fashion.
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Post by Tom on Dec 19, 2021 22:17:33 GMT -5
Isn't it difficult to leave at Christmas and receive a full scholarship somewhere? Unless other schools have players who leave, I suppose. It might be difficult to find a perfect fit - but many schools have less than 13 players on scholarship. The bigger issue, however, is why a player would leave. With NCAA regulations no longer requiring a sit-out year if you leave at the end of second semester, how much does a player gain by leaving now? To the best of my knowledge - nothing Even if you don't have to sit a year, I don't think you can play for two different teams in one season. Leave now, and you sit the 2nd semester
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2021 22:46:54 GMT -5
It might be difficult to find a perfect fit - but many schools have less than 13 players on scholarship. The bigger issue, however, is why a player would leave. With NCAA regulations no longer requiring a sit-out year if you leave at the end of second semester, how much does a player gain by leaving now? To the best of my knowledge - nothing Even if you don't have to sit a year, I don't think you can play for two different teams in one season. Leave now, and you sit the 2nd semester So we can't go to the waiver wire?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 19, 2021 22:49:23 GMT -5
The HC site said he was out for non-Covid medical issue IIRC.
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Post by Crosser on Dec 19, 2021 23:19:44 GMT -5
Kenney with 10p,11r - Louth 7p, 10r. Backcourt was horrible. Luc, Bo, and Bubba a combined 10-35, 9 TO, 1A Don't leave Martindale out of the conversation. You can't have your best three point shooter not attempt one. The fact that our best 3 point shooter can’t get a shot off outside the arc is totally unbelievable and unacceptable to me. Over many years I have watched thousands of basketball games at different levels using different kinds of offensive systems, and seeing wide-open three-pointers is a very common occurrence. Under Nelson, I’ve only seen players - never JM - occasionally get good looks from the corners. It seems that whenever JM receives a pass beyond the arc, he’s not set and ready to shoot and/or there’s a defender right on him. This seems to be primarily a coaching issue, and to a lesser degree an execution problem. On the other hand, when JM does put the ball on the floor and drives to the hoop - which he seems quite willing and capable of doing, he needs to do so with more conviction and with fewer casual tossing of the ball toward the basket.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 20, 2021 0:48:16 GMT -5
Don't leave Martindale out of the conversation. You can't have your best three point shooter not attempt one. The fact that our best 3 point shooter can’t get a shot off outside the arc is totally unbelievable and unacceptable to me. Over many years I have watched thousands of basketball games at different levels using different kinds of offensive systems, and seeing wide-open three-pointers is a very common occurrence. Under Nelson, I’ve only seen players - never JM - occasionally get good looks from the corners. It seems that whenever JM receives a pass beyond the arc, he’s not set and ready to shoot and/or there’s a defender right on him. This seems to be primarily a coaching issue, and to a lesser degree an execution problem. On the other hand, when JM does put the ball on the floor and drives to the hoop - which he seems quite willing and capable of doing, he needs to do so with more conviction and with fewer casual tossing of the ball toward the basket. Nelson compared to someone else might be the difference between, say, Judson attempting 6-8 three pointers versus 3 or 4; but Judson himself is the difference between 3 or 4 and none whatsoever.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 20, 2021 5:57:17 GMT -5
Looking back, I think the shooting woes had more to do with terrible passing than shooting ability. Seemed like there were many kick out passes that were ankle high for the spot up guys. There was no "catch and shooting" to speak of. Had the look of guys spending a lot of time thinking on the fly, and then not being fundamentally sound with their decisions. Not exactly Jave Meade like passing out there.
Regarding availability, all I can confirm is Rabs, Townsel and Lewis all were in uniform and participated in warmups before both halves. Saw sader1970s note about MT's illness note - why warm up if you can't play?
On a hopefully positive note, Dorsey was out of his boot, and was walking normally. It would be nice to have him and RJJ both available (don't think that has happened yet).
I still stand by my comments regarding the players - I think it's way premature to make any definite final judgements at this point. On a good team with an experienced core, several of them would probably be getting Austin Lewis type minutes right now. Doesn't mean they won't eventually be able to be strong contributors (yes, yes, I know, we've been waiting a LONG time).
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 20, 2021 6:31:56 GMT -5
Here’s from the HC site game report:
“ BEYOND THE BOX SCORE: • Holy Cross played the game without sophomore guard R.J. Johnson (injury) and senior guard Malcolm Townsel (non-COVID illness). • Kenney recorded career highs for both rebounds (11) and steals (three). • The Crusaders pulled down 42 rebounds on the day, their most against a Division I opponent since Feb. 23, 2014 (45 rebounds against Navy).”
So, my memory on Malcolm’s non-playing status was correct.😒
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Post by timholycross on Dec 20, 2021 6:40:40 GMT -5
I think I'd trade some of those offensive rebounds for defensive ones, even at a less than 1:1 ratio.
The Johnnies had several possessions where they got multiple shot attempts. One where they ended up missing two dunks.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 20, 2021 7:18:52 GMT -5
Trimster wrote: "Our offense is one on one basketball and not much fun to watch. I get the feeling HC is headed for another historically bad basketball season"
Absolutely. Especially when you consider that this team has only one player with outstanding one-on-one skills.....and he is a 5-11 freshman.
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Post by Tom on Dec 20, 2021 9:22:21 GMT -5
For most of the season, Kenney has not been remarkable. Yesterday he had a double-double and played better D than I've seen from him before. Hopefully this is not just an anomaly, but a sign that these kids are growing into the college game and there might actually be a glimmer of hope on the horizon
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 20, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -5
Sort of like the Star of Bethlehem?
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Post by timholycross on Dec 20, 2021 10:35:48 GMT -5
The glimmer of hope was that the one bright stretch in the game (first half, highlighted by 3 straight steals) was triggered by 3 freshmen; either Gates or Martindale or both were sitting and I believe they had two points between them in the first half anyway.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 20, 2021 10:40:58 GMT -5
From a casual glimpse. It seems the offense has been out of sync. Hard to shoot three's when you're not getting the ball in rhythm. Obviously, they have not spent much time together on the floor. Definitely a work hopefully in progress. D is aggressive and seems to be ahead of the O in development. I am hoping for improvement from these young inexperienced players as the season progresses. "O Little Star of Bethlehem..."
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