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Post by sader1970 on Jan 1, 2022 16:14:35 GMT -5
Well, his predecessor's predecessor's predecessor was there!
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 1, 2022 16:37:51 GMT -5
We outscored Navy by 8 in second half-even if Navy played subs extensively that is still a positive. I don't think it's happened often this year The HC play in the second half was like a different team. Good defense and better passing were clear. I am now looking forward tp their next game against Loyola and hope to see that sort of play continue. If, however, HC has another point a minute hale, I am ready to give up.
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Post by Crosser on Jan 1, 2022 17:05:16 GMT -5
Dorsey looked real good defensively, but his pass that could have been a great assist was slightly behind his target.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 1, 2022 17:15:51 GMT -5
The whole team plays, as my mother used to say, “a day late and a dollar short.” Inexperience (still)? Or just bad coaching? Or, more likely, both.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 1, 2022 17:18:15 GMT -5
14 turnovers for HC vs 7 for Navy and that contributes to Navy taking 11 more shots than HC More than half of whatever number of turnovers HC ended up with were offensive fouls. Never, ever saw so many in one game. My guess is there was a "point of emphasis" this season on illegal screens. We didn't get the memo.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 1, 2022 17:29:28 GMT -5
In fairness (not really), a number of fouls called on the Crusaders looked like ticky-tack or non-existent and which I long ago phrased as “thank you for your service” calls as they are invariably to the benefit of the service academies.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 17:38:21 GMT -5
I believe this is a case where we have a real mismatch between skills, combinations and desired style of play.
The rotations and combinations of players on the floor don’t make sense to me, and frequently makes players look bad. For the most part we have a roster of 2* players, and they each bring certain talents to the team. However, they way they are used in the game frequently creates a conflict between their individual skills, what is needed, and what Nelson expects them to do. They all have different, yet incomplete skill sets, and if we were putting the pieces of a puzzle together, not every piece fits into a puzzle the same way. Finally, as poorly as we are playing, there is no excuse for our defense having so many holes in it over the course of a game.
So you either recruit complementary pieces or you adapt your style of play- not sure we are witnessing the best practices in coaching
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 1, 2022 17:46:03 GMT -5
I believe this is a case where we have a real mismatch between skills, combinations and desired style of play. If the players Nelson recruited don't fit the style of play he wants - who's fault is that?
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 17:49:16 GMT -5
As I said we aren’t witnessing best practices
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 1, 2022 18:01:02 GMT -5
I thought Dorsey and Gates in the second half played well. Louth wasn't bad as well.
Mike R I don't understand what they are trying to do with them. Martindale gave you three 3's.
Luc, Bo, Dajon need to be better. Kenney didn't play like he did vs Harvard.
I just don't know.
Good luck vs Loyola MD
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 1, 2022 18:45:23 GMT -5
Just watched the replay. Announcers beyond terrible, what in the world were they watching.
Will say it again -Louth should play until he drops. How is he sitting for the first 6-7 minutes if each half???
Good to see Dorsey back at least.
By the way - for those in Central Mass looking for some quality eats at reasonable prices, may I suggest Welly's in Marlboro. Really really good.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 1, 2022 18:47:50 GMT -5
A few things from being at the game..Dorsey stepped up the D in the second half..He was relentless, and the coaches made noticed..In the 2nd half, HC got the ball to Gates and stayed out of his way! They ran different sets in the 2nd half, not a s much of the double high, or the guard to guard motion that have been running.. It seemed to be be much more effective getting the ball inside.. Navy was a much more physical team today, HC was visibly small in body composition...Freshman and Sophs vs Juniors and Seniors....#20 could do whatever he wanted, our guards just bounced off him. Rebounding was a problem, their size showed, muscling our players into bad positions, and we had trouble hanging on to the ball..Gates and Louth were the only 2 who had comparable body sizes... Louth is getting better every time I see him, he still has a way to go, but he has improved in every aspect of the game.. The HC zone proved to be pretty good overall they identified shooters and for the most part played solid...Navy shot the well, they hit a lot of shots as the shot clock wound down... Dorsey got his first extended PT and played well, A Lewis got some time today, he played OK, 0 for 1 shooting a 3, he did have 2 or 3 blocks...Luc got into foul trouble, he was having trouble stopping the bigger physical guards..The refs, to my eyes, were rewarding the physical play of Navy to Navy...Navy would initiate the contact and the get to the free throw line.. I didn't understand a lot of the calls today...And neither did Coach Nelson! Overall, I think HC took a step forward today. Especially in the 2nd half..(and Navy didn't empty it's bench)..I think playing the zone put players in a more positive position...I think RJ and Luc need to score the ball...They can get to the rim and both have that mid range game....Martindale needs to look for his shot more, he can get to the rim and get his 3 off quickly, but he doesn't look for his offense soon enough...
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Post by timholycross on Jan 1, 2022 18:58:16 GMT -5
I thought Dorsey and Gates in the second half played well. Louth wasn't bad as well. Mike R I don't understand what they are trying to do with them. Martindale gave you three 3's. Luc, Bo, Dajon need to be better. Kenney didn't play like he did vs Harvard. I just don't know. Good luck vs Loyola MD Kenney seems to get yanked quickly when he messes up....and it doesn't appear that is the rule for the other guys out there. Anyone else notice that.? Mike R. looks like the kind of guy should be playing at Bowdoin and moving up if the skills developed. I don't see him progressing at Holy Cross with his skill and mobility set.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 1, 2022 19:19:35 GMT -5
I thought Dorsey and Gates in the second half played well. Louth wasn't bad as well. Mike R I don't understand what they are trying to do with them. Martindale gave you three 3's. Luc, Bo, Dajon need to be better. Kenney didn't play like he did vs Harvard. I just don't know. Good luck vs Loyola MD Kenney seems to get yanked quickly when he messes up....and it doesn't appear that is the rule for the other guys out there. Anyone else notice that.? Mike R. looks like the kind of guy should be playing at Bowdoin and moving up if the skills developed. I don't see him progressing at Holy Cross with his skill and mobility set. From the NEPSAC to the NESCAC, a well trodden path.
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Post by spenser on Jan 1, 2022 19:27:21 GMT -5
A few things from being at the game..Dorsey stepped up the D in the second half..He was relentless, and the coaches made noticed..In the 2nd half, HC got the ball to Gates and stayed out of his way! They ran different sets in the 2nd half, not a s much of the double high, or the guard to guard motion that have been running.. It seemed to be be much more effective getting the ball inside.. Navy was a much more physical team today, HC was visibly small in body composition...Freshman and Sophs vs Juniors and Seniors....#20 could do whatever he wanted, our guards just bounced off him. Rebounding was a problem, their size showed, muscling our players into bad positions, and we had trouble hanging on to the ball..Gates and Louth were the only 2 who had comparable body sizes... Louth is getting better every time I see him, he still has a way to go, but he has improved in every aspect of the game.. The HC zone proved to be pretty good overall they identified shooters and for the most part played solid...Navy shot the well, they hit a lot of shots as the shot clock wound down... Dorsey got his first extended PT and played well, A Lewis got some time today, he played OK, 0 for 1 shooting a 3, he did have 2 or 3 blocks...Luc got into foul trouble, he was having trouble stopping the bigger physical guards..The refs, to my eyes, were rewarding the physical play of Navy to Navy...Navy would initiate the contact and the get to the free throw line.. I didn't understand a lot of the calls today...And neither did Coach Nelson! Overall, I think HC took a step forward today. Especially in the 2nd half..(and Navy didn't empty it's bench)..I think playing the zone put players in a more positive position...I think RJ and Luc need to score the ball...They can get to the rim and both have that mid range game....Martindale needs to look for his shot more, he can get to the rim and get his 3 off quickly, but he doesn't look for his offense soon enough... That’s exactly what I saw there today too. Whatever else, they play hard for Nelson. And I hear the complaints. And oh ya, Welly’s is excellent.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 1, 2022 19:31:50 GMT -5
8-51
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Post by lou on Jan 1, 2022 19:40:28 GMT -5
My take on the Luc and other foul trouble. Nelson is expecting very aggressive defensive play. Today I thought it was resulting in many foul calls. And all those illegal picks or whatever that foul call is. Do the guys know the rule?
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Post by matunuck on Jan 1, 2022 19:46:08 GMT -5
Sure hope they “play hard” for their coach given the free rides they’re getting while other families have to fork over tens of thousands to attend.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 19:52:27 GMT -5
Agree with DiMarz
..Gates and Louth were the only 2 who had comparable body sizes... Louth is getting better every time I see him, he still has a way to go, but he has improved in every aspect of the game..
IMHO they should be in the starting lineup together
I think Dorsey should start with RJ and then pick your other starter from Montgomery, Humphrey, Townsel depending on the matchups
Martindale and Luc, should come off the bench as a 6th/7th man to give scoring a boost and capitalize on match ups- at least for now as both have defensive work to do before they earn starting roles. I would also figure out a way to use Austin, Rabs and Kenney to help the team not just getting them minutes.
To do more of the same means we are not making progress that will give better results.
That is one persons opinion at this point in time and not worth much
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 19:54:49 GMT -5
My take on the Luc and other foul trouble. Nelson is expecting very aggressive defensive play. Today I thought it was resulting in many foul calls. And all those illegal picks or whatever that foul call is. Do the guys know the rule? Hard Fouls around the basket come from an AAU mentality -no easy layups we have plenty of fouls to give
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 1, 2022 19:58:58 GMT -5
You could just as easily say they come from an NBA mentality as AAU. (of course if you are a star, you never have fouls called, or not as many.) I am certain they "know the rules" but have yet to learn how to play within them while giving it their all. Navy, as more experienced, defending regular season champs, know that a lot better.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 20:03:56 GMT -5
Understand your point but when we talk about experience we should be saying size, strength, skills development, BBall IQ, and ability to recognize and adjust. All of these kids have played about 400 games since 7th grade( school and AAU). Our players have plenty of what many would define as game experience.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 1, 2022 20:32:33 GMT -5
My take on the Luc and other foul trouble. Nelson is expecting very aggressive defensive play. Today I thought it was resulting in many foul calls. And all those illegal picks or whatever that foul call is. Do the guys know the rule? Hard Fouls around the basket come from an AAU mentality -no easy layups we have plenty of fouls to give ...but I wouldn't call all those illegal screens hard fouls. By the way there are 8 occurrences in the play by play of "m:ss foul on xxxx" followed by the same time of game and "xxxx turnover". Those are all illegal screens, push offs or charges. 8 !
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 20:52:48 GMT -5
I only was referring to some of the fouls around the basket
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 1, 2022 21:06:40 GMT -5
I'm a very long time and ardent Crusader basketball fan, but I have to admit that my enthusiasm for the program over the last decade or so has waned under three..and now four...failed coaches. I watched the first half today and I've read all the comments, exculpatory and otherwise. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I think a big problem may be that our personnel are simply not very good even by PL standards. A few responded that, if that's the problem, it's the coach's fault. OK, but you can't blame everything on the coach. As Casey Stengel said way back in 1953 when the press were praising him as a managerial genius: "Whoa, boys, I couldn't have done it without the players". Indeed. Nelson's gotta go, for sure. Whether we can attract a Chesney caliber replacement is the big question. If not, I fear HC basketball is doomed.
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