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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 1, 2022 21:23:12 GMT -5
Sure hope they “play hard” for their coach given the free rides they’re getting while other families have to fork over tens of thousands to attend. Hits home when my sister, who had to pay full freight with her husband, sent nearly her entire net pay to HC for 4 yrs so my niece who was class of '20 could get an excellent education.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 21:46:33 GMT -5
I'm a very long time and ardent Crusader basketball fan, but I have to admit that my enthusiasm for the program over the last decade or so has waned under three..and now four...failed coaches. I watched the first half today and I've read all the comments, exculpatory and otherwise. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I think a big problem may be that our personnel are simply not very good even by PL standards. A few responded that, if that's the problem, it's the coach's fault. OK, but you can't blame everything on the coach. As Casey Stengel said way back in 1953 when the press were praising him as a managerial genius: "Whoa, boys, I couldn't have done it without the players". Indeed. Nelson's gotta go, for sure. Whether we can attract a Chesney caliber replacement is the big question. If not, I fear HC basketball is doomed. Agree that a change is needed, however, an experienced coach in his first year, might very well be at a .500 percentage against our OOC D1 opponents with this team. imo talent is not nearly as bad as the record suggests and with the right leader could be a solid/ competitive team
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 1, 2022 21:54:54 GMT -5
Either way, whether the players are no good, or Nelson is atrocious, it's on him. Fact, not opinion.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 1, 2022 22:01:02 GMT -5
And if the players are talented and Nelson is NOT atrocious...it is still on him as head coach. That part is a fact for every head coach, the rest of the preceeding post is clearly opinion.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2022 22:06:45 GMT -5
Fair statement re opinion, but with all of the accumulated data-the record and statistics, it might be time to shift the word opinion to real world evidence. If not today, certainly on the horizon. I would certainly be happy to say I was horribly mistaken and Nelson turned HC basketball into a model program for a low/mid major school but nothing suggests that is a realistic outcome
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 1, 2022 22:15:57 GMT -5
Nelson has the second worst record of all current D1 coaches in at least their 3rd season. Fact, not opinion.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 1, 2022 22:24:39 GMT -5
If I said we would score 70 against Loyola MD I challenge you to tell me where the points come from? Gates would need Jack the Shot numbers. Need the do your job mentality. Ed DeChellis has coached Navy for 11 seasons. That is his 2nd win at the HART Center. I like the National championship intro but 2 wins Last thing, on one hand I wish we still had Lowder and Pridgen . On the other hand Lowder let us know how he felt on this board so whatever.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 0:14:03 GMT -5
If I said we would score 70 against Loyola MD I challenge you to tell me where the points come from? Gates would need Jack the Shot numbers. Need the do your job mentality. Ed DeChellis has coached Navy for 11 seasons. That is his 2nd win at the HART Center. I like the National championship intro but 2 wins Last thing, on one hand I wish we still had Lowder and Pridgen . On the other hand Lowder let us know how he felt on this board so whatever. Do you think Luc and Gates have equal talent as Lowder and Pridgen?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 2, 2022 1:15:02 GMT -5
Agree with DiMarz ..Gates and Louth were the only 2 who had comparable body sizes... Louth is getting better every time I see him, he still has a way to go, but he has improved in every aspect of the game..
IMHO they should be in the starting lineup together I think Dorsey should start with RJ and then pick your other starter from Montgomery, Humphrey, Townsel depending on the matchups Martindale and Luc, should come off the bench as a 6th/7th man to give scoring a boost and capitalize on match ups- at least for now as both have defensive work to do before they earn starting roles. I would also figure out a way to use Austin, Rabs and Kenney to help the team not just getting them minutes. To do more of the same means we are not making progress that will give better results. That is one persons opinion at this point in time and not worth much Here's a look at some stats in support of your observation. I divided the season into two parts:Regis thru Bryant and Mt St Vincent thru Navy. So each half has one D-3 game and. conveniently, Louth played15 minutes in each of the two D-3 games. He played 92 minutes in the first set of games and 101 in the second set so I have calculated based on "per 40 minutes". Of course, these are both small size samples but we can pretend that they are sufficient to draw some preliminary conclusions Stat=Regis thru Bryant/Mt SV thru Navy
Points=7.4/11.5 per 40 minutes FGA=7.4/9.5 shooting more FG%= .411/.458 connecting more FTA=2.6/4.8 getting to the line more FT %= .500/.583 I don't project he'll ever be Tim Clifford at the free throw line Off Boards= 4.8/6.3 impressive Def Boards= 4.3/7.5 small sample, yes, but very impressive overall rebounding so far Assists= 2.6/3.6 TO= 4.3/3.2 Blocks= 1.3/2.8 Steals= 1.3/0 PF=3.9/5.1
I'm encouraged, but I recognize, of course, that these stats don't capture everything and may be particularly lacking in helping to form a judgment on his defense
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 2, 2022 4:18:51 GMT -5
BN can't be fired with this type of improvement.🤔
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Post by HC92 on Jan 2, 2022 7:27:03 GMT -5
Happy to see Louth developing as quickly as he is. He has obviously put in a ton of work and the coaches are very likely spending a lot of time developing him as well.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 2, 2022 7:43:18 GMT -5
KY’s stats help reinforce what EFG and my eyes show: that Louth is improving. That’s great!
Now, KY, please show us some stats that the TEAM is also improving because my eyes tell me this team, as a team, is still terrible and NOT improving, especially when it comes to synergy or lack thereof. The sum is not only not as great as the team parts, it appears that the sum is LESS than the individual team parts. Nothing scientific about that, just an impression. 😢
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Post by trimster on Jan 2, 2022 9:42:09 GMT -5
I like the fact the coaching staff tried something different on D and went with a zone for an extended period. At least they seem willing to admit the man to man hasn’t been all that effective.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2022 10:07:29 GMT -5
KY’s stats help reinforce what EFG and my eyes show: that Louth is improving. That’s great! Now, KY, please show us some stats that the TEAM is also improving because my eyes tell me this team, as a team, is still terrible and NOT improving, especially when it comes to synergy or lack thereof. The sum is not only not as great as the team parts, it appears that the sum is LESS than the individual team parts. Nothing scientific about that, just an impression. 😢 Why on earth did Rabs come off the bench first, based on Louth's previous game, among other things?
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 2, 2022 10:39:45 GMT -5
The fact that in 11 Div I games we are 0-11 and have yet to score 70 points says all you need to know about Nelson's ability to coach offense.
Is it the talent? Not sure. That could be part of it. However, I do not believe we can truly assess the talents of the individual players on this team with the offense as it is currently designed. There is simply no consistent flow to the offensive sets. So many possessions seem designed to isolate a player for a one on one move to the basket. That may work in the NBA but clearly not at our level.....especially when your best one on one player is generously 5'11".
The coach's role is to design an offense that gets open looks for your best shooters, or as RW would say, where "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts."
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Post by sader81 on Jan 2, 2022 10:54:33 GMT -5
I thought the zone played yesterday looked a lot like the amorphous 2-3 zone RW had used. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he was around a couple weeks ago, and don’t forget, RJ used to play that zone. The fact that a zone at all was used is a positive. Navy is pretty good. HC allowed them a couple first half runs that made the difference. I do see some improvement, but whether that translates into more than a couple wins going forward remains to be seen.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 11:01:34 GMT -5
RW’s matchup takes months to learn and execute properly, even for the smartest, experienced players. It involves complex rotations depending on the strengths of the offense. Louisville under Pitino and RW never executed it effectively. Seton Hall tries it occasionally, but is not consistently effective. I did not see the game, but I doubt the zone we played yesterday was anything close to RW’s matchup.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 2, 2022 11:24:28 GMT -5
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Post by sader81 on Jan 2, 2022 11:53:50 GMT -5
I did not see it as a standard 2-3. The forwards were more active moving upcourt to make the zone an off set 3-2 as RWs used to look. In any event, any change from the anemic man to man they used to play is a plus.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 2, 2022 12:52:26 GMT -5
I did like 6'11" Austin Lewis on the wing. I don't recall (but don't trust my memory much anymore) any Navy player shooting any 3s from his side.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 2, 2022 12:54:22 GMT -5
Of all opponents this season, Navy shot the lowest percentage on 2PT FG.
I’m hoping we see more of Dorsey moving forward. Seems like he can be a nice player to help keep Luc in check from doing too much.
We need RJJ to figure things out.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2022 13:29:23 GMT -5
There didn't seem to be many baskets of the "easy layup due to not defending the back door well" variety. The thing I did notice on the zone was that HC had trouble rebounding effectively when they used it.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 2, 2022 14:24:06 GMT -5
There didn't seem to be many baskets of the "easy layup due to not defending the back door well" variety. The thing I did notice on the zone was that HC had trouble rebounding effectively when they used it. Was this zone defensive rebounding worse than when we played man D ?
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Post by Chu Chu on Jan 2, 2022 14:24:09 GMT -5
It's encouraging that we won the second half. That shows the ability to adjust and improve.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 2, 2022 16:27:42 GMT -5
Understand your point but when we talk about experience we should be saying size, strength, skills development, BBall IQ, and ability to recognize and adjust. All of these kids have played about 400 games since 7th grade( school and AAU). Our players have plenty of what many would define as game experience. To get better one has to play against players better than yourself...In the pre college days, these players have been the best on the court for the most part. They could get away with their athleticism, not any more...The game is much faster, decisions have be made sooner, and strength and size have taken a huge step forward..It takes time to change those habits they have had, it doesn't happen just because they are a year older...Practice can help, but it is game experience that enforces what has to happen...Our most consistent player seems to be Gates, and he has the most experience!
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