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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 24, 2022 11:42:15 GMT -5
The folks from MIT, University of Chicago, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Notre Dame, Nova, etc know there is NO link between conference affiliation and academic reputation. Somehow that fact is lost on a few crossporters. Beyond the fact that our academic reputation was higher before joining the PL. It was higher when graduates of Jesuit high schools weren't given recommendations if they sought to attend a non-Catholic, private college / university. See Anthony Fauci, as an example. I've been told Fauci's class at HC sent five or six to Harvard Med, and a similar number to Harvard Law and the B-school. (Fauci went to Cornell.) HC has not recovered academically once the Jesuits turned off the spigot. And cutting the number of matriculating males by half didn't help.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 24, 2022 11:53:48 GMT -5
The folks from MIT, University of Chicago, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Notre Dame, Nova, etc know there is NO link between conference affiliation and academic reputation. Somehow that fact is lost on a few crossporters. Beyond the fact that our academic reputation was higher before joining the PL. It was higher when graduates of Jesuit high schools weren't given recommendations if they sought to attend a non-Catholic, private college / university. See Anthony Fauci, as an example. I've been told Fauci's class at HC sent five or six to Harvard Med, and a similar number to Harvard Law and the B-school. (Fauci went to Cornell.) HC has not recovered academically once the Jesuits turned off the spigot. And cutting the number of matriculating males by half didn't help. I recall a time when a good number of national merit semi-finalists and finalists attended HC each year. I believe this was after your illustration. Now, not so much. (And some folks think cutting off the lower half of male admits and replacing them with bright females actually enhanced our academic reputation in the late 70’s-80’s)
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Post by mm67 on Feb 24, 2022 11:57:07 GMT -5
The folks from MIT, University of Chicago, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Notre Dame, Nova, etc know there is NO link between conference affiliation and academic reputation. Somehow that fact is lost on a few crossporters. Beyond the fact that our academic reputation was higher before joining the PL. It was higher when graduates of Jesuit high schools weren't given recommendations if they sought to attend a non-Catholic, private college / university. See Anthony Fauci, as an example. I've been told Fauci's class at HC sent five or six to Harvard Med, and a similar number to Harvard Law and the B-school. (Fauci went to Cornell.) HC has not recovered academically once the Jesuits turned off the spigot. And cutting the number of matriculating males by half didn't help. Bingo! You nailed it.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 24, 2022 12:07:13 GMT -5
It was higher when graduates of Jesuit high schools weren't given recommendations if they sought to attend a non-Catholic, private college / university. See Anthony Fauci, as an example. I've been told Fauci's class at HC sent five or six to Harvard Med, and a similar number to Harvard Law and the B-school. (Fauci went to Cornell.) HC has not recovered academically once the Jesuits turned off the spigot. And cutting the number of matriculating males by half didn't help. Bingo! You nailed it. yes... in my mid 60's experience coming from regional Catholic high school in NJ... to send a transcript to a non-Catholic collage I had to get permission from my parish priest I was teaching at HC when women entered the applicant pool especially from Catholic girls hs; it was significant upgrade
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Post by breezy on Feb 24, 2022 12:08:20 GMT -5
I seem to recall there was a PL policy (rule?) that if a player transferred from one PL school to another PL school, there was a 2-year period of ineligibility — which effectively made it almost impossible to do so. Not sure if that policy or rule is still in effect.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 24, 2022 12:13:42 GMT -5
I seem to recall there was a PL policy (rule?) that if a player transferred from one PL school to another PL school, there was a 2-year period of ineligibility — which effectively made it almost impossible to do so. Not sure if that policy or rule is still in effect. might questions like this be what PVR is suggests as imbalance in the NCAA architecture?
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Post by bigfan on Feb 24, 2022 12:13:48 GMT -5
The PL is holding our basketball program back. Before the PL we were a better basketball program and played a better schedule and recruited better athletes. We have to leave Patriot League basketball and get back to where were before joining this bad league.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2022 12:36:05 GMT -5
If only Gonzaga could get out of the WCC......
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Post by gks on Feb 24, 2022 13:08:51 GMT -5
I find this meeting refreshing. Maybe finally the coaches in this league have had enough of self inflicted wounds that the PL rules put on them. A united front by football coaches would hopefully wake up the Presidents in this league to put the PL on an even playing field with the rest of the FCS.
Then again...maybe they just got together to have lunch.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 24, 2022 13:09:55 GMT -5
The PL is holding our basketball program back. Before the PL we were a better basketball program and played a better schedule and recruited better athletes. We have to leave Patriot League basketball and get back to where were before joining this bad league. HC’s record during the 1980’s in the MAAC does not validate your opinion. Please review the year by year records in the link below. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_Crusaders_men%27s_basketballZero .....NCAA Tournament Appearances while playing in the MAAC, with only one MAAC Regular Season Championship in 1990. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/holy-cross/1990-schedule.htmlSix.........NCAA Tournament Appearances while playing in the PL, with five PL Regular Season Championship.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 24, 2022 13:21:21 GMT -5
The PL is holding our basketball program back. Before the PL we were a better basketball program and played a better schedule and recruited better athletes. We have to leave Patriot League basketball and get back to where were before joining this bad league. HC’s record during the 1980’s in the MAAC does not validate your opinion. Please review the year by year records in the link below. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_Crusaders_men%27s_basketballZero .....NCAA Tournament Appearances while playing in the MAAC, with only one MAAC Regular Season Championship in 1990. Six.........NCAA Tournament Appearances while playing in the PL, with five PL Regular Season Championship. HC basketball, cf Joseph Campbell, "The Power of Myth." With great respect & fraternity.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 24, 2022 13:45:44 GMT -5
It was higher when graduates of Jesuit high schools weren't given recommendations if they sought to attend a non-Catholic, private college / university. See Anthony Fauci, as an example. I've been told Fauci's class at HC sent five or six to Harvard Med, and a similar number to Harvard Law and the B-school. (Fauci went to Cornell.) HC has not recovered academically once the Jesuits turned off the spigot. And cutting the number of matriculating males by half didn't help. Bingo! You nailed it. www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/cincinnati/name/richard-kempczinski-obituary?id=11837632A Fauci classmate. He supposedly had a falling-out with HC over attendance at daily mass. He did receive a Sanctae Crucis award in 2000. After becoming a quadriplegic. www.holycross.edu/sanctae-crucis-awards/2000/sanctae-crucis-award-recipients-2000-1 His son is the president and CEIO of MickeyDees.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 24, 2022 13:56:54 GMT -5
What was his issue with HC regarding daily Mass?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 24, 2022 13:59:26 GMT -5
Could be that he did not like being compelled to go? If so, he wouldn't have been alone in that.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 24, 2022 15:08:14 GMT -5
Not sure if it's being discussed at the meeting but I think one of the bigger issues moving forward is red-shirting (particularly in football). I think this is what keeps PL teams from being truly "nationally elite" on the FCS-level....if not just competitive with the CAA schools and others that allow it during the regular season.
Tricky issue with HC and Lafayette being solely undergrad and I'm not really sure how expansive graduate programs are in the other PL schools.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 24, 2022 15:30:26 GMT -5
What was his issue with HC regarding daily Mass? This is fourth or fifth hand, but supposedly he was not attending daily mass so the Jesuits called his father, and said they were revoking his scholarship. Which apparently caused a big to-do. Fauci said that during the time he was at HC, HC was 'ranked' as one of the top two or three pre-med programs in the whole country, and he wasn't just talking about Catholic colleges and universities. Fauci also said that Regis HS' academic reputation in NYC at that time was the equal of Stuyvesant and Bronx High School of Science. It would seem that the brightest graduates of Jesuit high schools in that era were steered to HC, at .least within certain provinces. I would think that would not be the case for the Maryland province. I was told that graduates of diocesan, tuition-free Catholic high schools in Philadelphia wanting to go to an Ivy League school like Penn had to declare that they wanted to study a major not offered by a Catholic college or university, before the high school would send a transcript.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 24, 2022 15:47:57 GMT -5
What was his issue with HC regarding daily Mass? This is fourth or fifth hand, but supposedly he was not attending daily mass so the Jesuits called his father, and said they were revoking his scholarship. Which apparently caused a big to-do. Fauci said that during the time he was at HC, HC was 'ranked' as one of the top two or three pre-med programs in the whole country, and he wasn't just talking about Catholic colleges and universities. Fauci also said that Regis HS' academic reputation in NYC at that time was the equal of Stuyvesant and Bronx High School of Science. It would seem that the brightest graduates of Jesuit high schools in that era were steered to HC, at .least within certain provinces. I would think that would not be the case for the Maryland province. I was told that graduates of diocesan, tuition-free Catholic high schools in Philadelphia wanting to go to an Ivy League school like Penn had to declare that they wanted to study a major not offered by a Catholic college or university, before the high school would send a transcript. Yes, the HC pre-med program was ranked at the top nationally. I selected it for that reason and was accepted to AB Pre-Med. I left the program in my sophomore year.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 24, 2022 15:59:32 GMT -5
As the President of Holy Cross has set a primary goal for the college of being ranked in the top 25 National LACs, I'd be interested in hearing the pitch to the BoT of how being a member of the CAA, HE, A-10 etc., works toward accomplishing that. LAC rankings: USNA is ranked #6 USMA is #11 Davidson is #13 Colgate is #17 Richmond is #22 HC is #35 Bucknell is #38 Lafayette is #38 (^^^ through #98 of 223) National universitiesGeorgetown #23 W&M #38 Boston Univ #42 Lehigh #49 Northeastern #49 Villanova #49 [UConn #63] Fordham #68 UMass Amherst #68 American Univ #79 Elon #83 Stony Brook #93 Delaware #93 ^^^ Thru #98 of 392 Best Regional Universities, North Region[Providence #1] [Bentley #2] [Fairfield #3] Loyola MD #4 [Bryant #7] St. Joe's #8 Monmouth #18 St. Bonaventure #18 Thru #23 of 175 schools I've always wondered how/why USN&WR considers the USNA and the USMA as LACs.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2022 16:13:17 GMT -5
The PL is holding our basketball program back. Before the PL we were a better basketball program and played a better schedule and recruited better athletes. We have to leave Patriot League basketball and get back to where were before joining this bad league. HC’s record during the 1980’s in the MAAC does not validate your opinion. Please review the year by year records in the link below. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_Crusaders_men%27s_basketballZero .....NCAA Tournament Appearances while playing in the MAAC, with only one MAAC Regular Season Championship in 1990. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/holy-cross/1990-schedule.htmlSix.........NCAA Tournament Appearances while playing in the PL, with five PL Regular Season Championship. An inconvenient truth. In the PL, HC can be the little engine that could when we play our cards right. Currently FB and WBB are examples. Other sports are utilizing first time head coaches and struggling. No perfect solution but our current identity, already a bit confusing as a small liberal arts school in D-1, could get really murky in a conference dominated by larger universities. There is no reason HC MBB can't get back to the dance under this coach or the next one. The above evidence indicates it can happen sooner in the PL.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 24, 2022 16:48:36 GMT -5
I remember VERY clearly that there was a newspaper clipping on one of the College's bulletin boards that Holy Cross was in the top 3 pre-med programs in the country and I am 3 years behind you, mm67. In my tiny little circle of 7 classmates, 3 were pre-med and 2 are doctors. The third went into the Peace Crops immediately after graduation and did his 2 years of service, marrying a Venezuelan girl and dying way too young of cancer.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 24, 2022 17:12:29 GMT -5
An inconvenient truth. In the PL, HC can be the little engine that could when we play our cards right. Currently FB and WBB are examples. Other sports are utilizing first time head coaches and struggling. No perfect solution but our current identity, already a bit confusing as a small liberal arts school in D-1, could get really murky in a conference dominated by larger universities. There is no reason HC MBB can't get back to the dance under this coach or the next one. The above evidence indicates it can happen sooner in the PL. As the Play by Play Patriot League Commentator from the school in Lewisbirg would say.....B I N G O!
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Post by efg72 on Feb 24, 2022 17:13:23 GMT -5
This is fourth or fifth hand, but supposedly he was not attending daily mass so the Jesuits called his father, and said they were revoking his scholarship. Which apparently caused a big to-do. Fauci said that during the time he was at HC, HC was 'ranked' as one of the top two or three pre-med programs in the whole country, and he wasn't just talking about Catholic colleges and universities. Fauci also said that Regis HS' academic reputation in NYC at that time was the equal of Stuyvesant and Bronx High School of Science. It would seem that the brightest graduates of Jesuit high schools in that era were steered to HC, at .least within certain provinces. I would think that would not be the case for the Maryland province. I was told that graduates of diocesan, tuition-free Catholic high schools in Philadelphia wanting to go to an Ivy League school like Penn had to declare that they wanted to study a major not offered by a Catholic college or university, before the high school would send a transcript. Yes, the HC pre-med program was ranked at the top nationally. I selected it for that reason and was accepted to AB Pre-Med. I left the program in my sophomore year. I did something similar. Walked away from the USAFA athletic commitment for math/pre-med at Holy Cross and then dropped both after sophomore year. A mistake for sure, but felt like a relief at the time
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 24, 2022 17:42:34 GMT -5
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 24, 2022 19:53:12 GMT -5
seems to describe the AWP & Annapolis
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Post by hc87 on Feb 25, 2022 1:51:18 GMT -5
Another query, why is Providence College considered a "regional college" while HC is considered a "national liberal arts" school?
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