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Post by fillfittonfield on Feb 23, 2022 18:30:40 GMT -5
I saw this tweet today from the Fordham AD (link pasted below).
Questions
Are these “routine” meetings that occur during every offseason?
Any guesses on some of the agenda items?
Did coaches attend, or was it just the ADs?
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Post by efg72 on Feb 23, 2022 18:34:17 GMT -5
Who do they have in mind to add?
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Post by fillfittonfield on Feb 23, 2022 18:43:23 GMT -5
efg - I hope that they are at least having a “conversation” about the changing landscape in FCS football (particularly in the northeast and mid-Atlantic) so they are at least somewhat prepared in the event that something happens which would affect PL football (e.g. Georgetown leaving the conference to become an FBS independent). Cue DFW in 3…2…1
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 23, 2022 21:22:09 GMT -5
Or maybe they are plotting how they can be better than the NEC's 40 scholarship programs - something has to change about the quality of play (save HC of course)
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 23, 2022 22:04:20 GMT -5
efg - I hope that they are at least having a “conversation” about the changing landscape in FCS football (particularly in the northeast and mid-Atlantic) so they are at least somewhat prepared in the event that something happens which would affect PL football (e.g. Georgetown leaving the conference to become an FBS independent). Cue DFW in 3…2…1 I hope there are no changes. But acknowledge Fordham and Georgetown are in a different situation than the other five.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 23, 2022 23:05:03 GMT -5
efg - I hope that they are at least having a “conversation” about the changing landscape in FCS football (particularly in the northeast and mid-Atlantic) so they are at least somewhat prepared in the event that something happens which would affect PL football (e.g. Georgetown leaving the conference to become an FBS independent). I don't think coaches are sitting around planning realignment strategies, but Rob Sgarlata has some problems. Not Patrick Ewing problems, but problems. In year nine, he's 30 games below .500 (23-53). Nine of his 11 starters on a two-win team in 2021 were seniors or 5th years, eight on defense. Ten players are in the transfer portal. Unless they fill the three open dates on the schedule with PSAC or NE-10 teams, Georgetown may not be favored in a single game this season. And no one sees this as a coaching issue. At some point, this becomes absolutely untenable given the competitive and admissions imbalance, an imbalance which the PL has no interest in addressing.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 23, 2022 23:15:22 GMT -5
PL should give a little to keep a lot. Namely GTown staying in the league.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Feb 24, 2022 0:49:56 GMT -5
I would really love to know what they discussed over the last several days.
I’m sure some of it was mundane or routine stuff…but my gut tells me that some of the stuff discussed would be of significant interest to longtime followers of PL football like myself and many others on this board.
I’ve been following HC & PL football for over 25 years. Never before did I ever see all PL ADs convene in person just to discuss one sport (football).
It must have been important enough for these folks to want to meet in person. You gotta figure if it was routine stuff they would have just held a Zoom meeting.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 24, 2022 0:51:11 GMT -5
efg - I hope that they are at least having a “conversation” about the changing landscape in FCS football (particularly in the northeast and mid-Atlantic) so they are at least somewhat prepared in the event that something happens which would affect PL football (e.g. Georgetown leaving the conference to become an FBS independent). I don't think coaches are sitting around planning realignment strategies, but Rob Sgarlata has some problems. Not Patrick Ewing problems, but problems. In year nine, he's 30 games below .500 (23-53). Nine of his 11 starters on a two-win team in 2021 were seniors or 5th years, eight on defense. Ten players are in the transfer portal. Unless they fill the three open dates on the schedule with PSAC or NE-10 teams, Georgetown may not be favored in a single game this season. And no one sees this as a coaching issue. At some point, this becomes absolutely untenable given the competitive and admissions imbalance, an imbalance which the PL has no interest in addressing. How good are the 10 players in the portal? Are they guys who don't see the field much and now looking for playing time, or are they starters/key reserves who want to go where they can win? Of course I understand it could be a mix --what ais your analysis of them?
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Post by hcpride on Feb 24, 2022 6:28:56 GMT -5
Georgetown’s having a tough go at it lately, but Bucknell’s struggling too. If you call 7 wins and 30 losses over the last 4 years struggling.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 24, 2022 6:37:57 GMT -5
I would really love to know what they discussed over the last several days. I’m sure some of it was mundane or routine stuff…but my gut tells me that some of the stuff discussed would be of significant interest to longtime followers of PL football like myself and many others on this board. I’ve been following HC & PL football for over 25 years. Never before did I ever see all PL ADs convene in person just to discuss one sport (football). It must have been important enough for these folks to want to meet in person. You gotta figure if it was routine stuff they would have just held a Zoom meeting. Since I've done more than my share of meeting agendas over the years, I'll take a stab. 1.) Upping scollies to 63. Upping roster cap to 93 or 96. 2.) Recruiting budgets, given that fewer athletes will be matriculating from schools in the Northeast. Fact of demographic life. 3.) Recruiting against the Ivy League, as Ivy schools' endowments have grown substantially, an increasing percentage of their students will be matriculating at little or no cost. Princeton's operating surplus of $322 million ('profit') in fiscal 2021 is about 3x the net revenue it receives from student tuition and fees from ALL students. 4.) OOC competition in FCS, and FBS. Opportunities? 5.) Intra-conference travel vis-à-vis schedule. . 6.) Facilities, e.g., Fordham's rug. HC's visitor locker rooms. 7.) Review of officiating. 8.) Player health, e.g., reducing concussions. 9.) ESPN+ 10.) Promotion and marketing of PL football.. 11.) Increasing ticket revenue (and attendance). E.g., facilitating alumni (of both teams) tailgating.
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Post by football44 on Feb 24, 2022 8:59:32 GMT -5
efg - I hope that they are at least having a “conversation” about the changing landscape in FCS football (particularly in the northeast and mid-Atlantic) so they are at least somewhat prepared in the event that something happens which would affect PL football (e.g. Georgetown leaving the conference to become an FBS independent). I don't think coaches are sitting around planning realignment strategies, but Rob Sgarlata has some problems. Not Patrick Ewing problems, but problems. In year nine, he's 30 games below .500 (23-53). Nine of his 11 starters on a two-win team in 2021 were seniors or 5th years, eight on defense. Ten players are in the transfer portal. Unless they fill the three open dates on the schedule with PSAC or NE-10 teams, Georgetown may not be favored in a single game this season. And no one sees this as a coaching issue. At some point, this becomes absolutely untenable given the competitive and admissions imbalance, an imbalance which the PL has no interest in addressing. I keep telling everyone that the Patriot League is a league of convenience. The fact that the Georgetown coach is 30 games under .500 and is going on 10 years as their coach should tell you something. This league is a mishmosh of schools who want into the league when it suits them and out of the league when it's better for them. I'm personally ready for HC to leave the league especially in football. This is a central Pa. league centered around schools who HC really has NO affiliation with from the past. Let's be like Army, Navy, BU, American U and Loyola of Maryland and look out for our own interest. CAA for football, Hockey East for mens hockey and let's work on BBall and get them into a league with other eastern Catholic institutions. Just might thoughts!
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 24, 2022 9:24:14 GMT -5
does the PL have a policy regarding transfers within the conference?
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Post by trimster on Feb 24, 2022 9:26:44 GMT -5
I couldn’t agree more with everything you say. There is nothing that says a school has to be in one conference across the board and as far as the PL goes, it hasn’t given HC anything that it didn’t already have, to borrow a line from America and Dewey Bunnel.
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Post by football44 on Feb 24, 2022 9:53:19 GMT -5
does the PL have a policy regarding transfers within the conference? If you mean playing in the Patriot League in some sports but not in another I would say no there is no policy.
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Post by football44 on Feb 24, 2022 9:56:20 GMT -5
I couldn’t agree more with everything you say. There is nothing that says a school has to be in one conference across the board and as far as the PL goes, it hasn’t given HC anything that it didn’t already have, to borrow a line from America and Dewey Bunnel. Thank you trimster! Exactly my point. The Patriot League was a Father Brooks idea. God bless Father Brooks and may God bless his soul but it is time to move on and do what's in the best interest of HC (modern day).
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Post by hcpride on Feb 24, 2022 9:57:23 GMT -5
I couldn’t agree more with everything you say. There is nothing that says a school has to be in one conference across the board and as far as the PL goes, it hasn’t given HC anything that it didn’t already have, to borrow a line from America and Dewey Bunnel. There is an odd fixation (on the part of a couple of posters) with remaining in PL football affiliation that is baffling. (Especially since it is widely known other PL members don’t play PL football). Beyond that, a few of the folks who think we had a weaker academic reputation before joining the PL are just simply wrong. Apparently there is a dissatisfaction with our current USN&WR ranking. It happens to be above Bucknell and Lafayette. We could pull out (provided we could successfully market ourselves to the CAA) to build our football strength and rebuild our academic reputation.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 24, 2022 9:58:28 GMT -5
does the PL have a policy regarding transfers within the conference? If you mean playing in the Patriot League in some sports but not in another I would say no there is no policy. so some of the G'town fballers could transfer to other PL programs & get athletic financial aid?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 24, 2022 10:15:50 GMT -5
As the President of Holy Cross has set a primary goal for the college of being ranked in the top 25 National LACs, I'd be interested in hearing the pitch to the BoT of how being a member of the CAA, HE, A-10 etc., works toward accomplishing that.
LAC rankings: USNA is ranked #6 USMA is #11 Davidson is #13 Colgate is #17 Richmond is #22 HC is #35 Bucknell is #38 Lafayette is #38 (^^^ through #98 of 223)
National universities Georgetown #23 W&M #38 Boston Univ #42 Lehigh #49 Northeastern #49 Villanova #49 [UConn #63] Fordham #68 UMass Amherst #68 American Univ #79 Elon #83 Stony Brook #93 Delaware #93 ^^^ Thru #98 of 392
Best Regional Universities, North Region [Providence #1] [Bentley #2] [Fairfield #3] Loyola MD #4 [Bryant #7] St. Joe's #8 Monmouth #18 St. Bonaventure #18 Thru #23 of 175 schools
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Post by football44 on Feb 24, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -5
If you mean playing in the Patriot League in some sports but not in another I would say no there is no policy. so some of the G'town fballers could transfer to other PL programs & get athletic financial aid? I would imagine if there was a talented football player from Georgetown who wanted to transfer to Holy Cross and Coach Chesney felt he'd help the program then I'd see no reason why if warranted he couldn't get financial aid if he had the proper credits to get into HC. I do believe the "portal" set up isn't just a FBS to FCS or or FCS to FBS but I think you can go FCS to FCS as well. There was a cornerback that we looked at a few years ago who started out I believe at Lehigh and eventually went down south to a school in Florida and then transferred back up to Colgate. Can't remember the kids name.
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Post by football44 on Feb 24, 2022 10:22:57 GMT -5
As the President of Holy Cross has set a primary goal for the college of being ranked in the top 25 National LACs, I'd be interested in hearing the pitch to the BoT of how being a member of the CAA, HE, A-10 etc., works toward accomplishing that. LAC rankings: USNA is ranked #6 USMA is #11 Davidson is #13 Colgate is #17 Richmond is #22 HC is #35 Bucknell is #38 Lafayette is #38 (^^^ through #98 of 223) National universitiesGeorgetown #23 W&M #38 Boston Univ #42 Lehigh #49 Northeastern #49 Villanova #49 [UConn #63] Fordham #68 UMass Amherst #68 American Univ #79 Elon #83 Stony Brook #93 Delaware #93 ^^^ Thru #98 of 392 Best Regional Universities, North Region[Providence #1] [Bentley #2] [Fairfield #3] Loyola MD #4 [Bryant #7] St. Joe's #8 Monmouth #18 St. Bonaventure #18 Thru #23 of 175 schools Phreek Money from successful athletics and the exposure that comes with it will help attract more of the students to help raise the bar academically. Just ask our friends at BC. Duke and Villanova.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 24, 2022 10:47:46 GMT -5
The folks from MIT, University of Chicago, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Notre Dame, Nova, etc know there is NO link between conference affiliation and academic reputation. Somehow that fact is lost on a few crossporters.
Beyond the fact that our academic reputation was higher before joining the PL.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 24, 2022 11:22:52 GMT -5
Football44 - that kid is Brandon Spencer. I think he's at Fordham now rather than Colgate. That said - I also believe this was the same kid who verbally committed to HC only to go to Lehigh; Then start there and after 1 year he entered the portal. I believe he then may have gone to FAU for a short period only to now end up at Fordham.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 24, 2022 11:25:53 GMT -5
I understand we all love HC. And, those who suggest moving to the CAA are not doing so for their personal vicarious pleasure and sense of fulfillment. And, I don't agree with off board alum friends who characterize these CAA posts as delusional. I have defended the right to voice all opinions. But, there is an echo chamber among those who favor leaving the PL. Same opinions on a loop constantly repeated over & over again by the same few posters. Don't see much support among alums on this board for leaving the PL and joining the CAA. Obviously, with few alums in agreement, the comments have less significance outside this board. Carry on.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 24, 2022 11:30:46 GMT -5
^^^ Horsefeathers.
Duke's endowment is nearly $13 billion. That's what's raised the academic bar at Duke.
BC eventually joined a Power Five conference, and began recruiting prospective students nationally. Fifty-sixty years ago at BC, there were so many undergraduates from Boston that their residence was listed by Boston neighborhood; how many from Southie, how many from Dorchester, how many from West Roxbury, etc. Then, BC gave the big middle finger to Massachusetts, and sought students from elsewhere. There are now more undergrads at BC from CA than from CT, more from Texas than from RI. (And it helps greatly having Boston in the name of your school, and also having a secular name.)
Villanova grew because it built a residential campus, and was no longer day-school centric for Greater Philadelphia. (That shift in where students reside during the school year is also true for BC.) Villanova is also helped by having a rather strong engineering program.
As measured by the standard metric of endowment $ per student, HC is the second richest Catholic college / university. Second to Notre Dame, which far and away, is the richest Catholic institution, --and has a fantastically well-managed endowment. And there is no question that Notre Dame's long-standing national prominence in football has contributed substantially to its reputation, academic growth. and has underpinned alumni support and generosity.
Finally, look at the other Catholic schools in the Big East. How have their endowments and academic reputation fared? How many play Div I football? Ice hockey? Holy Cross' enrollment is two-thirds of the smallest Big East school, Providence.
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