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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 29, 2023 15:30:14 GMT -5
Welcome to HC Chuck! Saw this video the other day on youtube (looks like HC87 did as well) with CDP. Really interesting. About 20 minutes in they are talking about Duncan Robinson, and CDP mentioned how he uses him as an example to his assistants about not overlooking under the radar types. He specifically mentions "not worrying about what offers a kid has, to trust your gut". This commitment might be one of those gut trusting instances. It's interesting you mention that. I think there's a degree of "group think" when it comes to recruiting ratings and offers in college basketball. Here's a blast from the past -- I think of a kid like Keegan Hyland (who remembers that name?). This is a kid we really wanted (and we thought we had a legitimate shot at getting him because we were still a mid-major that was highly respected), but he ended up getting scooped up by Gonzaga. For whatever reason, Mark Few liked him a lot. Clearly, in over his head at Gonzaga, he transferred to Fairfield, where he never played (think he may have been injury-prone). He ended up finishing out his career at Bentley, where he had a couple good seasons. Point being, just because a kid has some offers, might not make him great. Similarly, just because a kid doesn't have a bunch of offers, doesn't mean he isn't good.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 29, 2023 15:36:40 GMT -5
St Joe’s Coach Vito Morellii is highly respected Drew Dawson is a very good teacher of bigs, this signing is much bigger than some might think Coach has made a career out of recruiting, teaching, developing, and building culture with good people- that might sound familiar but we are blessed with our coaches. Like football our success is months away for hoops, not years these coaches get it, love the players and the school, and we are going to need to pay them appropriately. yes we are in the entertainment business for an academic first institution question look at the map for football atmosphere- we own New England, do we own this region for academics- no, but when you combine academics and athletics we are about to move to the top of the list for image, reputation, and respect peace ✝️✝️✝️🏀🏈😎
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Post by bison137 on Sept 29, 2023 15:37:35 GMT -5
St Joe’s Coach Vito Morellii is highly respected Vito Montelli was indeed a great coach. But his final year at Saint Joe’s was over a decade ago, following an 50 year coaching run. Unfortunately he passed away last year. I saw Hare play a couple of times when he was a junior at Saint Joe’s. At that time he did not look like a D1 prospect, but possibly he got a lot better this year.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 29, 2023 15:49:32 GMT -5
Welcome to HC Chuck! Saw this video the other day on youtube (looks like HC87 did as well) with CDP. Really interesting. About 20 minutes in they are talking about Duncan Robinson, and CDP mentioned how he uses him as an example to his assistants about not overlooking under the radar types. He specifically mentions "not worrying about what offers a kid has, to trust your gut". This commitment might be one of those gut trusting instances. It's interesting you mention that. I think there's a degree of "group think" when it comes to recruiting ratings and offers in college basketball. Here's a blast from the past -- I think of a kid like Keegan Hyland (who remembers that name?). This is a kid we really wanted (and we thought we had a legitimate shot at getting him because we were still a mid-major that was highly respected), but he ended up getting scooped up by Gonzaga. For whatever reason, Mark Few liked him a lot. Clearly, in over his head at Gonzaga, he transferred to Fairfield, where he never played (think he may have been injury-prone). He ended up finishing out his career at Bentley, where he had a couple good seasons. Point being, just because a kid has some offers, might not make him great. Similarly, just because a kid doesn't have a bunch of offers, doesn't mean he isn't good. SOV you are spot on Few goes with his gut like Paulsen He watched my last team play 6 games in Vegas and LA. He was torn on two players that clearly were under the radar and nobody at that level ever showed up. After the summer was over he called both kids and helped them with other schools. There skills were a great match, but they were 6’3 and 6’6 which was too small at that level for a SF/C Coaches meet in the bar at these tournaments and play the pied piper and they go watch and offer the same kids- go to verbal commits and see how many school by level make many of the same offers. Anyway agree completely
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Post by HC92 on Sept 29, 2023 16:21:13 GMT -5
HC92 can give us a full report! I actually saw him last weekend at a tourney my son was playing in. If I had only known HC was recruiting him, I would have paid more attention. He kinda of stands out at his height with the bald head. He was playing for the CT Swarm which is run by his high school coach.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 29, 2023 16:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Sept 29, 2023 17:11:56 GMT -5
HC92 can give us a full report! I actually saw him last weekend at a tourney my son was playing in. If I had only known HC was recruiting him, I would have paid more attention. He kinda of stands out at his height with the bald head. He was playing for the CT Swarm which is run by his high school coach. He reminds me of a poor man’s Tom Seamen with the same type of upside. Tommy got better every day, had an incredible work ethic, and became very talented college player Maybe not close to that level in the end, but a big that can run, pass, have a part of an inside and outside game I want for where we are today
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Post by hcnj on Sept 29, 2023 20:29:40 GMT -5
His only offer is from New Haven. Can’t we be a little objective about this. Just because he will play for HC doesn’t all of a sudden excite me on this. DP deserves the benefit of the doubt. But on the surface this isn’t exciting. I also agree with this. We have others signed or being recruited with weak offer sheets to the extent their full list is public. A few months ago we were very excited about the great offers our targets were getting, now they seem to mean little. We all hope that CDP is a magician with under recruited players but some level of objectivity is important.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 30, 2023 4:14:44 GMT -5
I have no problem with taking an occasional flyer on a big kid; I would get nervous if the majority of recruits are those with little or no interest. It would seem that since kids have their own unique growth spurts, it may take some longer to get comfortable with their size than others. Who knows, maybe Chuck will break out and have a really good senior season, and this will look like a steal in the spring. Looking forward to some eyewitness reports.
HC already has a Sir Charles Bare......and now, perhaps, a Sir Charles Hare? Think of the fun Bob F. would have had with that.
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Post by hcnj on Sept 30, 2023 6:50:54 GMT -5
I actually saw him last weekend at a tourney my son was playing in. If I had only known HC was recruiting him, I would have paid more attention. He kinda of stands out at his height with the bald head. He was playing for the CT Swarm which is run by his high school coach. He reminds me of a poor man’s Tom Seamen with the same type of upside. Tommy got better every day, had an incredible work ethic, and became very talented college player Maybe not close to that level in the end, but a big that can run, pass, have a part of an inside and outside game I want for where we are today Seaman was outstanding, I was surprised he hadn't had more play his soph year, thanks for remembering him.
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Post by trimster on Sept 30, 2023 7:07:58 GMT -5
He reminds me of a poor man’s Tom Seamen with the same type of upside. Tommy got better every day, had an incredible work ethic, and became very talented college player Maybe not close to that level in the end, but a big that can run, pass, have a part of an inside and outside game I want for where we are today Seaman was outstanding, I was surprised he hadn't had more play his soph year, thanks for remembering him. He really was. That class of Seaman, Witts and Mulquin was damn good.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 30, 2023 7:16:14 GMT -5
Especially when they joined Potter and Vicens for one season, and Perry jr for 3.
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Post by trimster on Sept 30, 2023 7:19:35 GMT -5
I have no problem with taking an occasional flyer on a big kid; I would get nervous if the majority of recruits are those with little or no interest. It would seem that since kids have their own unique growth spurts, it may take some longer to get comfortable with their size than others. Who knows, maybe Chuck will break out and have a really good senior season, and this will look like a steal in the spring. Looking forward to some eyewitness reports. HC already has a Sir Charles Bare......and now, perhaps, a Sir Charles Hare? Think of the fun Bob F. would have had with that. The danger as I see it, assuming two more recruits are added in the near future and no one defects going forward, is this team is going to be almost totally dependent on the classes of ‘27 and ‘28 for some time. The classes of ‘29 and ‘30 will only have 3 scholarship players between them. Speaking of which here is a hypothetical. If a well-heeled family wanted to pay the full cost of their son or daughter to attend HC and play a sport, is that student/athlete a counter when it comes to the scholarship limit. I guess the same question would apply in a situation where the parent of a student/athlete is an employee of the college.
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Post by hcnj on Sept 30, 2023 7:25:00 GMT -5
It's interesting you mention that. I think there's a degree of "group think" when it comes to recruiting ratings and offers in college basketball. Here's a blast from the past -- I think of a kid like Keegan Hyland (who remembers that name?). This is a kid we really wanted (and we thought we had a legitimate shot at getting him because we were still a mid-major that was highly respected), but he ended up getting scooped up by Gonzaga. For whatever reason, Mark Few liked him a lot. Clearly, in over his head at Gonzaga, he transferred to Fairfield, where he never played (think he may have been injury-prone). He ended up finishing out his career at Bentley, where he had a couple good seasons. Point being, just because a kid has some offers, might not make him great. Similarly, just because a kid doesn't have a bunch of offers, doesn't mean he isn't good. SOV you are spot on Few goes with his gut like Paulsen He watched my last team play 6 games in Vegas and LA. He was torn on two players that clearly were under the radar and nobody at that level ever showed up. After the summer was over he called both kids and helped them with other schools. There skills were a great match, but they were 6’3 and 6’6 which was too small at that level for a SF/C Coaches meet in the bar at these tournaments and play the pied piper and they go watch and offer the same kids- go to verbal commits and see how many school by level make many of the same offers. Anyway agree completely many of us probably remember the Keegan Hyland recruiting saga. I hope I do, wasn't he from Maine? Of course it's never a given that well recruited players succeed and under recruited ones don't. If we had Gonzaga level recruits and success I think we could all not worry about a swing and a miss. "He goes with his gut" is great and sounds great. I believe to have sustainable success you have to be able to win recruiting battles against against your peers and steal guys one level above. Our situation was very difficult for our last coach who couldn't pull it off and now a more experienced and talented coach. It's very difficult to become a winning program to attract competitive recruits before you start winning but that's our current job description.
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Post by hcnj on Sept 30, 2023 7:29:09 GMT -5
Seaman was outstanding, I was surprised he hadn't had more play his soph year, thanks for remembering him. He really was. That class of Seaman, Witts and Mulquin was damn good. We couldn't pull off Mulquin's brother who went to Georgetown.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 30, 2023 9:04:55 GMT -5
That is more than a fair statement dharry. With that said, it will take winning games early or finding a player within the HC community/family to commit as a game-ready big. Better days are ahead, and as we all know most bigs aren't game-ready the first year. HC had a nice opportunity; still does; to get a 5th year out of a big which would seem to be critical; as efg says, the ones that HC's likely to get need a lot of development. But, IMHO, injuries have more than negated that.
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Post by trimster on Sept 30, 2023 9:09:32 GMT -5
That is more than a fair statement dharry. With that said, it will take winning games early or finding a player within the HC community/family to commit as a game-ready big. Better days are ahead, and as we all know most bigs aren't game-ready the first year. HC had a nice opportunity; still does; to get a 5th year out of a big which would seem to be critical; as efg says, the ones that HC's likely to get need a lot of development. But, IMHO, injuries have more than negated that. If CDP signs 5 kids by the Holidays, we will know our 5 seniors are all moving on come May.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 30, 2023 9:13:40 GMT -5
He really was. That class of Seaman, Witts and Mulquin was damn good. We couldn't pull off Mulquin's brother who went to Georgetown. Mike Mulquin went to Nova Like with all recruiting there is a story here Dave and his brothers played for Georgetown Prep- a great family
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Post by timholycross on Sept 30, 2023 9:20:23 GMT -5
He reminds me of a poor man’s Tom Seamen with the same type of upside. Tommy got better every day, had an incredible work ethic, and became very talented college player Maybe not close to that level in the end, but a big that can run, pass, have a part of an inside and outside game I want for where we are today Seaman was outstanding, I was surprised he hadn't had more play his soph year, thanks for remembering him. Seaman was Exhibit A in terms of the type of player that would have benefitted greatly from a redshirt year. Freshman year he wasn't developed physically and was on a talented team that didn't require him burning a year of eligibility.
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Post by hcnj on Sept 30, 2023 15:39:06 GMT -5
We couldn't pull off Mulquin's brother who went to Georgetown. Mike Mulquin went to Nova Like with all recruiting there is a story here Dave and his brothers played for Georgetown Prep- a great family Thanks efg for the correction on Mike M.
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Post by Tom on Oct 1, 2023 9:54:17 GMT -5
I have no problem with taking an occasional flyer on a big kid; I would get nervous if the majority of recruits are those with little or no interest. It would seem that since kids have their own unique growth spurts, it may take some longer to get comfortable with their size than others. Who knows, maybe Chuck will break out and have a really good senior season, and this will look like a steal in the spring. Looking forward to some eyewitness reports. HC already has a Sir Charles Bare......and now, perhaps, a Sir Charles Hare? Think of the fun Bob F. would have had with that. The danger as I see it, assuming two more recruits are added in the near future and no one defects going forward, is this team is going to be almost totally dependent on the classes of ‘27 and ‘28 for some time. The classes of ‘29 and ‘30 will only have 3 scholarship players between them. Speaking of which here is a hypothetical. If a well-heeled family wanted to pay the full cost of their son or daughter to attend HC and play a sport, is that student/athlete a counter when it comes to the scholarship limit. I guess the same question would apply in a situation where the parent of a student/athlete is an employee of the college. I suppose one could look at last year's football team. Was Peter Oliver on scholarship? Did he count towards the limit? Without knowing all of the specific rules, I would think it wouldn't count. The situation kind of sounds like a preferred walk on
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Post by efg72 on Oct 1, 2023 19:06:50 GMT -5
CJ Cox off the board
Congratulations to Magic and Milton Academy 2024 guard CJ Cox on accepting a full scholarship to Purdue! CJ is the 11th commitment in the Magic class of 2024 and also the 8th to commit to play D1 basketball! #MagicFamily 🔵⚪️⚫️ #Big10 #GoBoilermakers #BoilerUp #HammerDown
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Post by trimster on Oct 2, 2023 7:26:50 GMT -5
CJ Cox off the board Congratulations to Magic and Milton Academy 2024 guard CJ Cox on accepting a full scholarship to Purdue! CJ is the 11th commitment in the Magic class of 2024 and also the 8th to commit to play D1 basketball! #MagicFamily 🔵⚪️⚫️ #Big10 #GoBoilermakers #BoilerUp #HammerDown Assuming the full scholarship is a basketball scholarship, the Boilermakers are clearly an outlier in the list of schools that offered Cox. It has to be very frustrating for low and mid-majors to devote a lot of time to recruiting a kid only to have him/her commit to the one high major offer received at the 11th hour.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 2, 2023 7:47:37 GMT -5
Guess he's looking for future quick exits in the NCAA tournament, maybe at the hands of one of the low majors that was recruiting him.
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 2, 2023 13:40:46 GMT -5
Guess he's looking for future quick exits in the NCAA tournament, maybe at the hands of one of the low majors that was recruiting him. Let's hope!
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